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Post by buckeye7525 on Jan 19, 2021 11:20:07 GMT -6
One of the things that I've been looking into a little bit lately concerns some of the most efficient learning practices with it relates to information consumption v. production.
I read an article recently that talked about if we want to truly learn the material we are reading/studying that we really need to spend time "presenting" on what we are learning. Presenting in this case could be actually explaining it to someone else or something as simple as writing down summaries. The article said that a better way to truly learn would be to cut down the amount of "learning" (reading books, etc) and spend more time "presenting". Not anything overtly new I guess, I know we talk about getting kids presenting/teaching a lot in education in order to help them fully understand something.
Anyway, I got to wondering how I can apply this to off-season football studies. I know we all spend a lot of time watching clinics, watching film, visiting other staffs etc.
Sometimes I feel like I spend so much time in the consumption phase of information during the off-season that I don't really do much with it, and lose a lot of that information. I take notes over things but honestly I feel like I go way too overboard with notes in terms of writing down every little thing that is said, not ideal obviously.
I'd love to hear any ideas that anyone has on "doing something" with the information that you are gaining over the off-season to make it more meaningful and make it stick.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 11:32:03 GMT -6
One of the things that I've been looking into a little bit lately concerns some of the most efficient learning practices with it relates to information consumption v. production. I read an article recently that talked about if we want to truly learn the material we are reading/studying that we really need to spend time "presenting" on what we are learning. Presenting in this case could be actually explaining it to someone else or something as simple as writing down summaries. The article said that a better way to truly learn would be to cut down the amount of "learning" (reading books, etc) and spend more time "presenting". Not anything overtly new I guess, I know we talk about getting kids presenting/teaching a lot in education in order to help them fully understand something. Anyway, I got to wondering how I can apply this to off-season football studies. I know we all spend a lot of time watching clinics, watching film, visiting other staffs etc. Sometimes I feel like I spend so much time in the consumption phase of information during the off-season that I don't really do much with it, and lose a lot of that information. I take notes over things but honestly I feel like I go way too overboard with notes in terms of writing down every little thing that is said, not ideal obviously. I'd love to hear any ideas that anyone has on "doing something" with the information that you are gaining over the off-season to make it more meaningful and make it stick. I would say you on to something with the presenting, summarizing of info. To add, I think, repeat, and repeat. Many, a times, it’s never the first, second, or third that the real learning takes takes place, but the re reading, watching for the 150th time.. but I am stupid so maybe not that much😜 |
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Post by buckeye7525 on Jan 20, 2021 7:35:01 GMT -6
@coachpithy that's a good point. One of the things I've tried to do with some of the clinics I've been in is to go back and retype/organize my notes after initially listening to them. It's been very helpful in the past though it takes some time.
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Post by wolverine55 on Jan 20, 2021 8:38:10 GMT -6
Back in 2005, I joined a staff that at the time ran an inverted bone offense. I got hired early enough to where I spent the whole summer with the program, but one of my first assignments was to present our power play to the rest of the staff. They were learning the offense as well, but they were ahead of me as they had studied it all winter and spring. My HC said that having me present on power (and then later sweep) was intended to catch me up and he was right. It greatly helped me learn the new offense.
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Post by bluboy on Jan 20, 2021 19:02:05 GMT -6
"...some of the clinics I've been in is to go back and retype/organize my notes after initially listening to them. It's been very helpful in the past though it takes some time"
My roommate in college got me to do this. It's probably what got me through college. I, too, take clinic/video notes then go back and recopy them. Yea, it takes some time, but it beats watching the masked singer/dancer crap.
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Post by buckeye7525 on Jan 21, 2021 5:30:38 GMT -6
Back in 2005, I joined a staff that at the time ran an inverted bone offense. I got hired early enough to where I spent the whole summer with the program, but one of my first assignments was to present our power play to the rest of the staff. They were learning the offense as well, but they were ahead of me as they had studied it all winter and spring. My HC said that having me present on power (and then later sweep) was intended to catch me up and he was right. It greatly helped me learn the new offense. Coach, that's an awesome idea! I'm one of the things I'm kicking around is what could I do that is creative/presentative like what your had to do, though maybe on a little smaller scale. |
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Post by buckeye7525 on Jan 21, 2021 5:32:32 GMT -6
"...some of the clinics I've been in is to go back and retype/organize my notes after initially listening to them. It's been very helpful in the past though it takes some time" My roommate in college got me to do this. It's probably what got me through college. I, too, take clinic/video notes then go back and recopy them. Yea, it takes some time, but it beats watching the masked singer/dancer crap. Haha, that's very true. One of the things I need to discipline myself when I'm watching a clinic/video on my own is not pausing it so much to write everything down they are saying but let it run to get the major points and then go back and organize things as I need to when I recopy. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 6:05:03 GMT -6
"...some of the clinics I've been in is to go back and retype/organize my notes after initially listening to them. It's been very helpful in the past though it takes some time" My roommate in college got me to do this. It's probably what got me through college. I, too, take clinic/video notes then go back and recopy them. Yea, it takes some time, but it beats watching the masked singer/dancer crap. Haha, that's very true. One of the things I need to discipline myself when I'm watching a clinic/video on my own is not pausing it so much to write everything down they are saying but let it run to get the major points and then go back and organize things as I need to when I recopy. the gold is in all the details, the unspoken, unsaid. I cannot pause it enough. |
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Post by wolverine55 on Jan 21, 2021 8:59:27 GMT -6
Back in 2005, I joined a staff that at the time ran an inverted bone offense. I got hired early enough to where I spent the whole summer with the program, but one of my first assignments was to present our power play to the rest of the staff. They were learning the offense as well, but they were ahead of me as they had studied it all winter and spring. My HC said that having me present on power (and then later sweep) was intended to catch me up and he was right. It greatly helped me learn the new offense. Coach, that's an awesome idea! I'm one of the things I'm kicking around is what could I do that is creative/presentative like what your had to do, though maybe on a little smaller scale. By present, I mean that I simply had a dry erase board, lol! But, I had to draw up all rules and responsibilities for all 11 players. So, I truly was presenting. Don't know if that HC would have me do something more formal now or not! |
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Post by cwaltsmith on Jan 21, 2021 9:10:44 GMT -6
Back in 2005, I joined a staff that at the time ran an inverted bone offense. I got hired early enough to where I spent the whole summer with the program, but one of my first assignments was to present our power play to the rest of the staff. They were learning the offense as well, but they were ahead of me as they had studied it all winter and spring. My HC said that having me present on power (and then later sweep) was intended to catch me up and he was right. It greatly helped me learn the new offense. I love this... bad thing is I have had asst before that would quit before doing this because they could not do it. While not everyone should be experts on all aspects of the play or scheme... all should have a basic understanding and then be an expert on their position's job on the play ... Great way to develop staff... I feel that while going to listen to other coaches at clinics is important... meeting with your own staff to discuss details is vital to success |
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Post by coachcb on Jan 21, 2021 10:32:09 GMT -6
If I'm reading up on a new concept that I plan on using, my notes include questions, comments (etc) on how I plan on teaching it to the kids. When I'm done "researching" I reorganize the notes; one set on the concept and one set on how I plan to implement it. My list of notes on implementation is far longer and more detailed than the topic itself; skills, potential issues, cue words, skill/drill progression (etc)...
So, I'm not presenting anything but I'm preparing myself to do so.
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Post by wolverine55 on Jan 21, 2021 12:51:25 GMT -6
Back in 2005, I joined a staff that at the time ran an inverted bone offense. I got hired early enough to where I spent the whole summer with the program, but one of my first assignments was to present our power play to the rest of the staff. They were learning the offense as well, but they were ahead of me as they had studied it all winter and spring. My HC said that having me present on power (and then later sweep) was intended to catch me up and he was right. It greatly helped me learn the new offense. I love this... bad thing is I have had asst before that would quit before doing this because they could not do it. While not everyone should be experts on all aspects of the play or scheme... all should have a basic understanding and then be an expert on their position's job on the play ... Great way to develop staff... I feel that while going to listen to other coaches at clinics is important... meeting with your own staff to discuss details is vital to success To be fair, it was sold as a learning opportunity for me from the beginning. The HC or maybe another staff member (too long ago to remember for sure) did ask me a couple questions that stumped me...but that was part of it as well as we were all learning a new system. |
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Post by s73 on Jan 21, 2021 23:23:02 GMT -6
One of the things that I've been looking into a little bit lately concerns some of the most efficient learning practices with it relates to information consumption v. production. I read an article recently that talked about if we want to truly learn the material we are reading/studying that we really need to spend time "presenting" on what we are learning. Presenting in this case could be actually explaining it to someone else or something as simple as writing down summaries. The article said that a better way to truly learn would be to cut down the amount of "learning" (reading books, etc) and spend more time "presenting". Not anything overtly new I guess, I know we talk about getting kids presenting/teaching a lot in education in order to help them fully understand something. Anyway, I got to wondering how I can apply this to off-season football studies. I know we all spend a lot of time watching clinics, watching film, visiting other staffs etc. Sometimes I feel like I spend so much time in the consumption phase of information during the off-season that I don't really do much with it, and lose a lot of that information. I take notes over things but honestly I feel like I go way too overboard with notes in terms of writing down every little thing that is said, not ideal obviously. I'd love to hear any ideas that anyone has on "doing something" with the information that you are gaining over the off-season to make it more meaningful and make it stick. One thing I have always done, mostly b/c I enjoy it, is when I'm working on a play or concept is I draw it up repeatedly over and over again against the same defense until it's burned into my brain. Then I select a new defense and so on. Where this really helps me is not only the learning of the play, but also on what I don't want to see and how I can counter it, which will lead to compliments to counter what I think a defense may do. It creates a lot of trial and error on paper and the HOPE is that I can eliminate as much of the error as possible on paper BEFORE I commit the coaching errors on the field. I should also say that this process USED to lead to a rabbit hole of adding many plays to the original, but now....as I've gotten older and more experienced, it actually has led to me cutting fat in terms of numbers of plays and led to more formational answers and less expensive tags rather than just adding plays to the mix to solve problems. It gives you great anticipation for game day. Plus, I enjoy it. Nothing kills time in a terrible meeting better than doodling X's & O's. |
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Post by moose18 on Jan 22, 2021 7:48:00 GMT -6
I was on a staff (and I plan to do this if I'm ever a HC again) where we had our own staff clinic. Everyone had to present as if they were speaking at a Glazier Clinic. It could be on any topic you wanted. Something you've done at a previous stop, something you've studied, something we currently do, leadership, weight room, practice planning, etc. Literally anything at all that you wanted to present. It really helped us all get comfortable with the idea of presenting and we all learned a lot from each other.
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Post by Defcord on Jan 22, 2021 8:07:04 GMT -6
One of the things that I've been looking into a little bit lately concerns some of the most efficient learning practices with it relates to information consumption v. production. I read an article recently that talked about if we want to truly learn the material we are reading/studying that we really need to spend time "presenting" on what we are learning. Presenting in this case could be actually explaining it to someone else or something as simple as writing down summaries. The article said that a better way to truly learn would be to cut down the amount of "learning" (reading books, etc) and spend more time "presenting". Not anything overtly new I guess, I know we talk about getting kids presenting/teaching a lot in education in order to help them fully understand something. Anyway, I got to wondering how I can apply this to off-season football studies. I know we all spend a lot of time watching clinics, watching film, visiting other staffs etc. Sometimes I feel like I spend so much time in the consumption phase of information during the off-season that I don't really do much with it, and lose a lot of that information. I take notes over things but honestly I feel like I go way too overboard with notes in terms of writing down every little thing that is said, not ideal obviously. I'd love to hear any ideas that anyone has on "doing something" with the information that you are gaining over the off-season to make it more meaningful and make it stick. One thing I have always done, mostly b/c I enjoy it, is when I'm working on a play or concept is I draw it up repeatedly over and over again against the same defense until it's burned into my brain. Then I select a new defense and so on. Where this really helps me is not only the learning of the play, but also on what I don't want to see and how I can counter it, which will lead to compliments to counter what I think a defense may do. It creates a lot of trial and error on paper and the HOPE is that I can eliminate as much of the error as possible on paper BEFORE I commit the coaching errors on the field. I should also say that this process USED to lead to a rabbit hole of adding many plays to the original, but now....as I've gotten older and more experienced, it actually has led to me cutting fat in terms of numbers of plays and led to more formational answers and less expensive tags rather than just adding plays to the mix to solve problems. It gives you great anticipation for game day. Plus, I enjoy it. Nothing kills time in a terrible meeting better than doodling X's & O's. This is why drawing scout cards is such an important task. One of the most important parts of the learning process. I know a lot of coaches on here value the experience, but I have not worked with very many people who enjoy doing it. I actually enjoy it. |
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Post by Coach.A on Jan 22, 2021 12:07:45 GMT -6
Anyway, I got to wondering how I can apply this to off-season football studies. I know we all spend a lot of time watching clinics, watching film, visiting other staffs etc. Sometimes I feel like I spend so much time in the consumption phase of information during the off-season that I don't really do much with it, and lose a lot of that information. I take notes over things but honestly I feel like I go way too overboard with notes in terms of writing down every little thing that is said, not ideal obviously. I'd love to hear any ideas that anyone has on "doing something" with the information that you are gaining over the off-season to make it more meaningful and make it stick. This is one of the main reasons why I try to present at clinics every year. The process of developing and presenting the content makes me that much more confident in teaching it. I've done more clinic presentations this past year than any other year. If you're comfortable enough to speak to a room (or Zoom meeting) full of football coaches about a football topic, you probably have a very strong grasp of the material. At the very least, you'll feel the pressure to learn the material "inside & out" before you present. My suggestion to you is reach out to organizations hosting clinics and offer your services. |
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Post by CoachSP on Jan 22, 2021 13:13:22 GMT -6
One thing I have always done, mostly b/c I enjoy it, is when I'm working on a play or concept is I draw it up repeatedly over and over again against the same defense until it's burned into my brain. Then I select a new defense and so on. Where this really helps me is not only the learning of the play, but also on what I don't want to see and how I can counter it, which will lead to compliments to counter what I think a defense may do. It creates a lot of trial and error on paper and the HOPE is that I can eliminate as much of the error as possible on paper BEFORE I commit the coaching errors on the field. I should also say that this process USED to lead to a rabbit hole of adding many plays to the original, but now....as I've gotten older and more experienced, it actually has led to me cutting fat in terms of numbers of plays and led to more formational answers and less expensive tags rather than just adding plays to the mix to solve problems. It gives you great anticipation for game day. Plus, I enjoy it. Nothing kills time in a terrible meeting better than doodling X's & O's. This is why drawing scout cards is such an important task. One of the most important parts of the learning process. I know a lot of coaches on here value the experience, but I have not worked with very many people who enjoy doing it. I actually enjoy it. I agree 100%. With that said, I wouldn't say I enjoy it necessarily, but I recognize that it has helped my knowledge tremendously over my career. |
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Post by Defcord on Jan 22, 2021 13:20:43 GMT -6
This is why drawing scout cards is such an important task. One of the most important parts of the learning process. I know a lot of coaches on here value the experience, but I have not worked with very many people who enjoy doing it. I actually enjoy it. I agree 100%. With that said, I wouldn't say I enjoy it necessarily, but I recognize that it has helped my knowledge tremendously over my career. I enjoy it. I didn't used to though. It kind of reminds me of all of the baseball guys and how much they love working on the field. I hated field work when I coached baseball and I hate mowing my yard at home. But as I have gotten older, I have come to find the scout card creation process quite peaceful. |
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