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Post by information on Jan 20, 2006 9:24:35 GMT -6
Meaning would you go from 5a Assistant to 1A Head Coach?
Take a $15,000 PAy Cut?
Drive a bus?
Teach 3 or 4 classes?
Where would you draw the line?
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Post by coachcalande on Jan 20, 2006 10:03:44 GMT -6
id draw the line at having a toe cut off...
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 20, 2006 10:17:55 GMT -6
Meaning would you go from 5a Assistant to 1A Head Coach? not likely. what's the point of that? i wouldn't think the job would be all that great if it paid that much less than my assistant's job. don't drive one now, won't drive one then. doubt it. only teach 1 now. don't chase a title. just because you put "head coach" in front of your name doesn't make the job better. so many factors are involved in my decision to accept or decline a job. |
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Post by tog on Jan 20, 2006 10:51:34 GMT -6
i would be somewhere between huey and calande
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Post by coachcalande on Jan 20, 2006 10:54:01 GMT -6
I suppose for me im a bit of an extremist here because i run the dw...so its tough to find a job where id be on staff where they ran the dw...i dont even know if anyone in Pa runs the dw at the hs level right now??? and i dont mean wing-t stuff....so, heck , even if i could keep running the dw at the 8th grade level id be pretty happy.
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 20, 2006 10:57:09 GMT -6
How far would I go:
Take a 15K pay cut: NO WAY. Already turned down a job b/c I would have had to take a 10K pay cut.
Drive a bus: Maybe but NOT to my own games. I would need a bus lisc though.
Teach: I do that already.
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Post by coachnorm on Jan 20, 2006 12:33:56 GMT -6
I've learned the hard way what I won't do for a head coaching job. I might take a small pay cut, but only for the right situation. I won't sacrifice my happiness or that of my family. I won't lose my wife over a job (I know several who have).
I won't get into a situation that isn't good just to say I'm a head coach. Think about it and weigh the pros and cons carefully before you committ. If it's the right situation take it and enjoy!!!!
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Post by knighter on Jan 20, 2006 13:07:39 GMT -6
Meaning would you go from 5a Assistant to 1A Head Coach? Take a $15,000 PAy Cut? Not a chance. I have worked too hard to get where I am to take a pay cut for a job at any other level (I am already a head coach...looking to move up to a bigger school or college program as an assistant) Drive a bus? Nope will not get a CDL, no way. Teach 3 or 4 classes? Would love that, I currently teach 6 periods in an 8 period day, and cover a study hall. Where would you draw the line? I also will not sacrifice my family. My wife and daughter mean too much to me. I need to be close to family as well. This means in-laws and my own. Close meaning no farther than 4 or 5 hour drive. No job is worth being away from those that are important to you. |
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Post by tog on Jan 20, 2006 13:10:25 GMT -6
How far? From Texas to the Midwest. For just the reasons Knighter is talking about.
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Post by information on Jan 20, 2006 13:16:22 GMT -6
I have a great job.....pay is excellent, not a coordinator but have been in the past and teach less than when I was a coordinator....teach 1 class...do not have to drive a bus....excellent situation...
Where my question is coming from....in the district I am in the longer you stay in the harder it is to get out.
Where do you draw the line...the 5 questions where examples....maybe a better question would be....
What would stop you from taking a Head Coaching Job?
Pay?
Teaching Classes?
No Support?
No Facilities?
No Asst Coaches?
And so on....
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Post by coachcalande on Jan 20, 2006 15:25:09 GMT -6
I just cant relate to this...is this a texas football question? Im here trying to land a teaching job and a football job TOGETHER figuring that id have to put in a full days teacher job in addition to coaching...wow...i gotta move to texas. i have to turn down football jobs that dont offer a teaching salary and schedule...there you guys turn it down if it DOES lol...
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Post by thurman on Jan 20, 2006 15:44:14 GMT -6
Calande.. I know I asked this before.. but do not remember where and whether you answered or not.. But do you have your teaching degree? If not, do you plan on getting it? Probably will be hard to find an actual "job" in coaching unless you are a teacher..
Also, dont be so hard pressed to find a job where they run the double wing.. take on new things and use your "coaching" experience and not just your experience with the offense to help kids.. Most if not all of these guys in Texas are degreed and still teachers I am sure.. Sometimes coaches have no classes, but they actually do.. athletic PE.. we have a coach who only has 1 class.. but he is on paper the PE guy for both football pe's.. so thats how they justify paying them..
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Post by phantom on Jan 20, 2006 15:58:37 GMT -6
Meaning would you go from 5a Assistant to 1A Head Coach? Take a $15,000 PAy Cut? Drive a bus? Teach 3 or 4 classes? Where would you draw the line? I've been an assistant long enough to know that a good assistant job is better than a bad HC job. Right now I would not take a pay cut of any amount under any circumstances. That wasn't true when I was younger and really wanted to be a HC. I applied for several jobs that would have meant pay cuts. Not $15,000, though. At that time that would have damn near made me a volunteer. Teach 3-4 classes? Great! I teach 5 now. If the question had been geographically, I would have said as far as Texas if it was one of those no-teaching $100,000 jobs. |
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Post by toprowguy on Jan 20, 2006 19:51:24 GMT -6
Man, some of you guys got it made. I've got to move to the midwest.
I teach 5 classes and taking a $15,000 pay cut would cut my teaching salary in half.
And make about $2,000 coaching football.
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Post by coachcalande on Jan 21, 2006 4:44:51 GMT -6
Yeah, thats what im saying...out here in pa, youre a teacher first and a coach second....you teach 6 or 7 classes a day, have morning bus duty, lunch or breakfast duty, homeroom coverage and as a pe teacher get one prep and a 28 minute lunch break...and thurman, yes, im a teacher.,..have been for 7 years now. when jobs open and i apply most often the AD will call and ask "can you do this without a teaching spot?" ...of course the answer is no...not when the school is a great distance from where i teach. I think alot of the head coaches out here are paid under 5000 for the season. I used to be a varsity volleyball coach (no one else applied lol) and made about 4000. But honestly, id take on a varsity football job for free. as long as i had a teacher salary im fine.
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Post by thurman on Jan 21, 2006 8:11:57 GMT -6
I have a buddy who coaches at a small school here in our parish.. He has 6 prep classes.. Football is after school.. He has to coach both junior high and varsity.. (how I do not know).. And he doesnt make anymore than he did when he coached with me.. because he is in the same system under the same pay scale.. At least here he only had to actually teach 2 block classes.. 1 block off for planning.. and then athletic PE...
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Post by toprowguy on Jan 21, 2006 8:21:41 GMT -6
No athletic period and all football activities are after school, lifting, meetings, practice.
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Post by phantom on Jan 21, 2006 10:50:52 GMT -6
No athletic period and all football activities are after school, lifting, meetings, practice. It's the same way here. |
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Post by brophy on Jan 21, 2006 12:39:37 GMT -6
Calande ----try Davenport, Iowa....TWO 4a programs with teaching gigs waiting for you that run/ran the DW.
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Post by DLine06 on Jan 21, 2006 14:03:50 GMT -6
At my high school, Football is during school for Freshman at 6th period and JV/Varsity at 7th. The coaches had 4 classes/periods of whatever they taught, a conference period with parents and students, lunch which is here 30 mins for certain students and an hour for other students and the rest is athletics.
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Post by kcbazooka on Jan 21, 2006 14:10:25 GMT -6
guess i'm the opposite of most the posts - If you want the head coaching job take it with all of the "minuses". In my career i have been a head coach, an assistant, a coordinator, at different levels. Now I want to be a head coach again and am willing to do it even if it means a pay cut (tho not $15,000!). If you're not happy with what you are doing it is up to you to find something that you want.
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Post by thurman on Jan 21, 2006 19:23:10 GMT -6
Our freshmen have football during 3rd block.. and varsity has 4th and after school.. Right now during the offseason we still have 3rd and 4th block football.. move some of the more advanced freshmen on up.. and some of the walk-ons go in with the 3rd block crowd..
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Post by toprowguy on Jan 21, 2006 19:45:20 GMT -6
Let me get this straight.....you'll practice football during the school day instead of going to lets say math. It is built in to your schedule. That is great.
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Post by Split50 on Jan 21, 2006 20:16:28 GMT -6
It is nice to teach/coach in Texas, guys, but don't believe everything you read about the no classes, big pay, etc. I am a coordinator, and have been one for a large number of years, and teach 4 classes a day, two preps. That is two preps each semester, which is actually 4 preps for the year. One of my classes is an AP class which requires as much of my time as coaching. Or so it seems. BTW, I get no extra money for teaching AP.
I envy Coach Huey. He is a coordinator in a AAAA school and says he only has one class, I have been a coordinator ina AAAA school and had, 4classes. I spent four years as a head football coach and had 4 classes.
I have only been at one school in my career where I did not have to drive a bus.
I have 35 years of experience and make in the mid $50's.
Those are the realities of Texas coaching. Don't think everyone has a gravy train.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 22, 2006 12:36:32 GMT -6
It is nice to teach/coach in Texas, guys, but don't believe everything you read about the no classes, big pay, etc. I am a coordinator, and have been one for a large number of years, and teach 4 classes a day, two preps. That is two preps each semester, which is actually 4 preps for the year. One of my classes is an AP class which requires as much of my time as coaching. Or so it seems. BTW, I get no extra money for teaching AP. I envy Coach Huey. He is a coordinator in a AAAA school and says he only has one class, I have been a coordinator ina AAAA school and had, 4classes. I spent four years as a head football coach and had 4 classes. I have only been at one school in my career where I did not have to drive a bus. I have 35 years of experience and make in the mid $50's. Those are the realities of Texas coaching. Don't think everyone has a gravy train. yes, split, i feel very fortunate. there probably are certain "perks" with coaching at a 5a school in tx (5a is largest class, for non-tx guys). |
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Post by coachbronk on Jan 22, 2006 12:43:31 GMT -6
Hmmm, great question. I went to Ranger College in Ranger, Tx to be a head coach. Of course I am also a sick and twisted person, so it only make sense that I would take that job.
Now thats a joke for all you people from around that area who might be on this board. There are some good people up there.
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Post by thurman on Jan 22, 2006 13:34:44 GMT -6
Let me get this straight.....you'll practice football during the school day instead of going to lets say math. It is built in to your schedule. That is great. Yes, every student can have a PE credit every year.. or they can take an elective.. So our athletes all have athletic PE.. Evangel Christian.. They have a weight lifting period and an athletics period.. plus practice after school. |
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Post by thurman on Jan 22, 2006 13:37:17 GMT -6
Hmmm, great question. I went to Ranger College in Ranger, Tx to be a head coach. Of course I am also a sick and twisted person, so it only make sense that I would take that job. Now thats a joke for all you people from around that area who might be on this board. There are some good people up there. So you coach at Ranger now? Or you did in the past? |
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Post by coachbronk on Jan 22, 2006 15:58:29 GMT -6
I was the head coach at Ranger JC , past tense.
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Post by thurman on Jan 22, 2006 16:05:59 GMT -6
Oh ok.. so whats the deal with them being able to have as many out of state players that they want? Was this always the deal, or something new?
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