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Post by fantom on Jan 1, 2021 15:19:10 GMT -6
Not interested in fan talk, looking for coaches thoughts. I couldn't care less who won the game.
I screamed at the TV after that last kickoff. With three seconds left the only chance is a rugby play on the kickoff. The players are spread out and you have athletes on the field. Taking a knee and giving it to your offense on your 2 yard line was, I thought, a horrible decision.
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Post by wolverine55 on Jan 1, 2021 15:22:00 GMT -6
I think teams do that way too much, or they'll even fair catch the kickoff. While the odds aren't good of scoring either way, I too would think a multi-lateral play of some sort on the return is a better option.
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Post by junior6589 on Jan 1, 2021 16:47:06 GMT -6
How about the bad clock management by Cincy at the end of the game! If they run on 3rd down they win the game.
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Post by fantom on Jan 1, 2021 17:09:45 GMT -6
How about the bad clock management by Cincy at the end of the game! If they run on 3rd down they win the game. True but that's a different issue. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 17:45:38 GMT -6
Georgia has more talent. The chances C is going to out run/athlete GA is pretty slim regardless. The fact that Cincinnati was in a position to win the game says a lot about programs. But that is just an opinion.
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Post by fantom on Jan 1, 2021 18:00:08 GMT -6
Georgia has more talent. The chances C is going to out run/athlete GA is pretty slim regardless. The fact that Cincinnati was in a position to win the game says a lot about programs. But that is just an opinion. Then they sure as hell weren't going to score on a pass play from the -2. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 18:05:45 GMT -6
Georgia has more talent. The chances C is going to out run/athlete GA is pretty slim regardless. The fact that Cincinnati was in a position to win the game says a lot about programs. But that is just an opinion. Then they sure as hell weren't going to score on a pass play from the -2. I can see how the chance could be seen as greater if you can execute a hook an latter or something of the like at say the 25....chances are still slim if not none. What if they, cincinnati dont like the rugby tried v. UGA? I dont know or care, just jotting out different things. |
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Post by junior6589 on Jan 1, 2021 18:52:59 GMT -6
To be honest, no matter what you do on that kickoff there, your chances of winning at that point is probably .1%. To me it’s a non issue.
Where I yelled at the TV is when they threw on a 3rd and 2 when UGA had no timeouts.
Or when Kirby, down 2, called a timeout just to punt. Those are things that make me scratch my head.
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Post by fantom on Jan 1, 2021 19:33:41 GMT -6
Then they sure as hell weren't going to score on a pass play from the -2. I can see how the chance could be seen as greater if you can execute a hook an latter or something of the like at say the 25....chances are still slim if not none. What if they, cincinnati dont like the rugby tried v. UGA? I dont know or care, just jotting out different things. And you could be correct. This is strictly my opinion, that your chances are better with athletes, rather than five OL. It could also be that that was the plan and the kid screwed it up. |
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Post by jfox on Jan 3, 2021 21:09:39 GMT -6
I think the TO by UGA on the punt saved them a bunch of time, might of been the best use of a TO.
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Post by jlenwood on Jan 5, 2021 3:42:14 GMT -6
I bet Fickel lost some sleep over the 3rd down call. You have one of the best running QB's in college and you try to fool them with a pass play.
My wife went nuts watching that series of plays. She said "I swear you can't find a good offensive coordinator these days". I got a good laugh about that.
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Post by pvogel on Jan 5, 2021 5:39:21 GMT -6
Definitely. Rather take our chances with an athletic return team vs 10 coverage guys and a kicker instead of trying to score on their prevent D.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2021 6:06:58 GMT -6
Definitely. Rather take our chances with an athletic return team vs 10 coverage guys and a kicker instead of trying to score on their prevent D. if you had the better athletes? Definitely. But since you don’t , you have to play games... |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 5, 2021 6:43:16 GMT -6
Definitely. Rather take our chances with an athletic return team vs 10 coverage guys and a kicker instead of trying to score on their prevent D. if you had the better athletes? Definitely. But since you don’t , you have to play games... What "games" is one playing from the -5 to score in one play that are a superior option than an already broken field situation such as a kick off return where the opposing team is starting 30+ yards away from the ball carrier? I believe there have been more scoring plays from the -5 on KOR or PR than offensive plays from scrimmage. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2021 7:16:20 GMT -6
if you had the better athletes? Definitely. But since you don’t , you have to play games... What "games" is one playing from the -5 to score in one play that are a superior option than an already broken field situation such as a kick off return where the opposing team is starting 30+ yards away from the ball carrier? I believe there have been more scoring plays from the -5 on KOR or PR than offensive plays from scrimmage. who has better athletes when Georgia put in ko safe return. team? And they have 11. They are better than you across the board. 8 defensive backs who were 4 star recruits is better than 11. I am not saying it would work. Not a even a little. I am not saying it’s the right choice, but it does make sense. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 5, 2021 7:24:19 GMT -6
What "games" is one playing from the -5 to score in one play that are a superior option than an already broken field situation such as a kick off return where the opposing team is starting 30+ yards away from the ball carrier? I believe there have been more scoring plays from the -5 on KOR or PR than offensive plays from scrimmage. who has better athletes when Georgia put in ko safe return. team? And they have 11. They are better than you across the board. 8 defensive backs who were 4 star recruits is better than 11. I am not saying it would work. Not a even a little. I am not saying it’s the right choice, but it does make sense. The physics and geometry of a kick return play compared to a play from scrimmage are different. As I said I believe if someone sifted through all the data there have been more 90 yard kick returns then there have been 90 yard touchdowns on a play from scrimmage I also don’t simply except your premise that one side was superior athletically than the other side because they were “Georgia“. The difference between the top tier football programs and other good football programs is in the quality and depth of the lineman, not the smaller positions |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2021 7:38:22 GMT -6
who has better athletes when Georgia put in ko safe return. team? And they have 11. They are better than you across the board. 8 defensive backs who were 4 star recruits is better than 11. I am not saying it would work. Not a even a little. I am not saying it’s the right choice, but it does make sense. The physics and geometry of a kick return play compared to a play from scrimmage are different. As I said I believe if someone sifted through all the data there have been more 90 yard kick returns then there have been 90 yard touchdowns on a play from scrimmage I also don’t simply except your premise that one side was superior athletically than the other side because they were “Georgia“. The difference between the top tier football programs and other good football programs is in the quality and depth of the lineman, not the smaller positions Ok. |
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Post by Defcord on Jan 5, 2021 7:40:27 GMT -6
if you had the better athletes? Definitely. But since you don’t , you have to play games... What "games" is one playing from the -5 to score in one play that are a superior option than an already broken field situation such as a kick off return where the opposing team is starting 30+ yards away from the ball carrier? I believe there have been more scoring plays from the -5 on KOR or PR than offensive plays from scrimmage. Your last statement is probably true but that might be because very often the play call from the -5 is not designed with the intent to score or bust. |
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Post by pvogel on Jan 5, 2021 9:42:08 GMT -6
Definitely. Rather take our chances with an athletic return team vs 10 coverage guys and a kicker instead of trying to score on their prevent D. if you had the better athletes? Definitely. But since you don’t , you have to play games... You're missing my point. When you are on Offense you have to have 5 OL on the field. They are not very athletic. Your KO Return team doesn't need to have any. It can be all skill guys. Yes, Georgia's KO team is talented. But you need a guy to kick the ball. So you have 10 defenders plus this guy:  I wasn't debating the better team or more athletic team. But the question asked about what decision would give Cincy the best odds. And I believe that my statement and reasoning is sound. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2021 10:40:05 GMT -6
if you had the better athletes? Definitely. But since you don’t , you have to play games... You're missing my point. When you are on Offense you have to have 5 OL on the field. They are not very athletic. Your KO Return team doesn't need to have any. It can be all skill guys. Yes, Georgia's KO team is talented. But you need a guy to kick the ball. So you have 10 defenders plus this guy: I wasn't debating the better team or more athletic team. But the question asked about what decision would give Cincy the best odds. And I believe that my statement and reasoning is sound. and they can put all skill guys and they are better 11 for 11. Take the kicker out, fine. There 10 is better than your 11. I am not debating the decision was right or wrong, I can see though how they got to the decision. The chances you get that score no matter how they decide to go about it, that outmanned is pretty close to zero. And then we have what is in on ko ret?. Do they even have x,y,z. And the better team that day was Cincinnati by a long shot. Not on the same planet in the way of talent, but on that day they were the better team. And I can tell you that seat for Kirby is getting warm. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Jan 8, 2021 18:02:48 GMT -6
So far as KOR vs OFF Hail Mary, it's a no brainer no matter what the talent disparity is... go with your KOR.
Spacing and its use with spread offenses has shown how 'modern' football has vastly changed the game.
The kicking game only exasperates that spacing advantage. With most kicking and receiving teams, each team will use more athletic kids, than not.... no more old school KOR with OL at the front line....
Plus the 'start' of the offensive play (the catch) happens when most of the 22 field members are as spread away from the ball/start than any other football play..... except maybe a scrimmage kick. Even with the scrimmage snap with Empty formation vs extreme prevent, you have several lesser athletic participants near the point of the snap to begin the play.
On top of that, how many teams spend at least a few minutes per week practicing versus a Hail Mary versus how many minutes does the average team practice versus the KO versus the UCal Special? And how many coaches even know HOW to teach the KO defense versus the UCal Special versus say knowing how to teach the pass rush against the Hail Mary and DB pass break up against the Hail Mary?
The only factor that the Hail Mary play has is that the offense knows at the snap, exactly where all 22 players are and where the play begins.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 8, 2021 18:14:16 GMT -6
When you are on Offense you have to have 5 OL on the field. They are not very athletic. Don't respond with profanity, don't respond with profanity, don't resp... To hell with it. {censored} you. |
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