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Post by coachberk65 on Dec 17, 2020 18:12:46 GMT -6
Coaches,
I am a coach in California (I will wait for the laughter to stop......) and we are looking to compile data from states that have played football this year. This is in hopes of swaying local and state officials to loosen the restrictions they have placed on school attendance and sports for kids. If you have any such data please send it my way. Thank you
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Post by CoachC on Dec 18, 2020 7:00:31 GMT -6
Coach, I can send you specifics from my school here in Florida. Things we did to protect players/coaches/training staff. I don't have state wide numbers though. What's your email?
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Post by coachcrews on Dec 18, 2020 7:50:25 GMT -6
I would also be interested in this info if anyone is willing to share
My email is cresjt@lcsedu.net
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Post by CoachC on Dec 18, 2020 10:41:18 GMT -6
coachcrews I tried to email you, but it got returned.
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Post by wingtol on Dec 20, 2020 8:06:35 GMT -6
Yes just send the data.....ummmmm what data are you looking for? That's a pretty broad ask there. Might need to be a bit more specific in your request.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Jan 11, 2021 14:27:25 GMT -6
I believe he's asking for data regarding number of cases, close contact cases, games played, games postponed/canceled.
California, Oregon, and Washington are making an effort to have a season, but it is looking very unlikely. My personal opinion, is that although it's sad for our seniors, we need to move forward and start looking at how the heck we're going to get ready for the fall of 2021. If by some miracle, we do get to play some games this spring, the product can be very poor and even unsafe due to a lack of preparation.
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Post by CS on Jan 12, 2021 10:49:32 GMT -6
We played in Arkansas. Had double digit games a week that were cancelled due to Covid. We personally had 2 cancelled. 2nd time was contact tracing took a lot of kids away from the team
Had a few games forfeited in the playoffs due to covid but only one that may have mattered
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Post by RunThePistol on Jan 12, 2021 11:13:40 GMT -6
Tennessee attempted to play full seasons across the state. I can't speak for everyone, but our team didn't have 1 single case of Covid. We did gain 5 covid forfeiture wins, and made it to the State Championship game in our classification. The team we played in the state game played 12 full games, with 2 Covid forfeiture wins.
I don't have any more stats than that at the moment but I can try to find some more rough data.
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Post by irishdog on Jan 12, 2021 11:51:24 GMT -6
We played in Texas. Public schools in 1A, 2A, 3A, 4A started in early September, so did privates. Public 5A and 6A (largest schools) started in October. Their state championship game will be played this weekend. Am coaching at a private school so I can only speak on that group. We played 9 games. Some played 8, some played 7. Many games were cancelled. We had one cancelled on us. Playing vs not playing was worth it despite the challenges. We were extremely careful, followed protocols to the letter, and just took it one game at a time.
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Post by wingt74 on Jan 13, 2021 13:10:07 GMT -6
AAYFL in SE Wisconsin, Wisconsin's largest youth football league, cites 96%+ of games played this Fall despite strict COVID rules.
Looking at about 25 programs with with program having 2 to 8 teams 5th grade to 8th grade. (Smaller programs have 1 mixed 5/6 team and a mixed 7/8....larger programs have two teams at each grade level 5-8)
Amazing to be honest.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 13, 2021 17:19:13 GMT -6
AAYFL in SE Wisconsin, Wisconsin's largest youth football league, cites 96%+ of games played this Fall despite strict COVID rules. Looking at about 25 programs with with program having 2 to 8 teams 5th grade to 8th grade. (Smaller programs have 1 mixed 5/6 team and a mixed 7/8....larger programs have two teams at each grade level 5-8) Amazing to be honest. It is about testing and symptoms. I would bet that far fewer elementary age kids show symptoms (and thus lead to testing). Also, I would be interested in seeing how "strict" those Covid protocols were. Is Wisconsin currently utilizing full time in school learning?
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Post by wingt74 on Jan 19, 2021 18:10:09 GMT -6
AAYFL in SE Wisconsin, Wisconsin's largest youth football league, cites 96%+ of games played this Fall despite strict COVID rules. Looking at about 25 programs with with program having 2 to 8 teams 5th grade to 8th grade. (Smaller programs have 1 mixed 5/6 team and a mixed 7/8....larger programs have two teams at each grade level 5-8) Amazing to be honest. It is about testing and symptoms. I would bet that far fewer elementary age kids show symptoms (and thus lead to testing). Also, I would be interested in seeing how "strict" those Covid protocols were. Is Wisconsin currently utilizing full time in school learning? Not sure i'm 100% following your questions, but sensing some skepticism. The facts. All schools in Wisconsin had some level of inperson learning that ALSO had a football season, in general. Milwaukee, Madison, and surrounding large suburbs were 100% virtual....and also delayed their football season till Spring. That said, any player testing positive was held out for two weeks. Additionally, any teams and teammates playing with or against this player were notified of the positive test. We can not force families to test their children of course. This with no fans at games (or 1 or 2 adults per athlete in some areas), requirement of temp checks at games for all players....pretty obvious COVID doesn't spread as easily outdoors....especially outdoors and kids. Hell, look at the NFL. Positive tests here and there, and you'd think that playing and practicing against individuals with COVID would result in widespread outbreaks among athletes. It just didn't happen....COVID does not spread outdoors. Clearly close, confided space indoors is a major issue....but I believe masks have helped here tremendously in spaces (like school) that absolutely require them. I'd also invite you to read here. www.tmj4.com/news/coronavirus/fall-sports-have-their-challenges-but-franklin-schools-are-overcoming-them
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 19, 2021 18:46:58 GMT -6
It is about testing and symptoms. I would bet that far fewer elementary age kids show symptoms (and thus lead to testing). Also, I would be interested in seeing how "strict" those Covid protocols were. Is Wisconsin currently utilizing full time in school learning? Not sure i'm 100% following your questions, but sensing some skepticism. The facts. All schools in Wisconsin had some level of inperson learning that ALSO had a football season, in general. Milwaukee, Madison, and surrounding large suburbs were 100% virtual....and also delayed their football season till Spring. That said, any player testing positive was held out for two weeks. Additionally, any teams and teammates playing with or against this player were notified of the positive test. We can not force families to test their children of course. This with no fans at games (or 1 or 2 adults per athlete in some areas), requirement of temp checks at games for all players....pretty obvious COVID doesn't spread as easily outdoors....especially outdoors and kids. Hell, look at the NFL. Positive tests here and there, and you'd think that playing and practicing against individuals with COVID would result in widespread outbreaks among athletes. It just didn't happen....COVID does not spread outdoors. Clearly close, confided space indoors is a major issue....but I believe masks have helped here tremendously in spaces (like school) that absolutely require them. I'd also invite you to read here. www.tmj4.com/news/coronavirus/fall-sports-have-their-challenges-but-franklin-schools-are-overcoming-themNot skepticism but the point about the 96% of games played was facilitated by the protocols (or lack of ) that you stated. My point was that the virus could have spread, but resulting in asymptomatic cases. You stated that players testing positive were held out for 2 weeks. My point was that in other places, not only would a positive player be held out, but those in close contact would then be quarantined regardless of test. That doesn't sound like it happened in this case. Quarantine policies, not positive tests, is what leads to most game cancellations.
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Post by fantom on Jan 19, 2021 18:56:31 GMT -6
It is about testing and symptoms. I would bet that far fewer elementary age kids show symptoms (and thus lead to testing). Also, I would be interested in seeing how "strict" those Covid protocols were. Is Wisconsin currently utilizing full time in school learning? Not sure i'm 100% following your questions, but sensing some skepticism. The facts. All schools in Wisconsin had some level of inperson learning that ALSO had a football season, in general. Milwaukee, Madison, and surrounding large suburbs were 100% virtual....and also delayed their football season till Spring. That said, any player testing positive was held out for two weeks. Additionally, any teams and teammates playing with or against this player were notified of the positive test. We can not force families to test their children of course. This with no fans at games (or 1 or 2 adults per athlete in some areas), requirement of temp checks at games for all players....pretty obvious COVID doesn't spread as easily outdoors....especially outdoors and kids. Hell, look at the NFL. Positive tests here and there, and you'd think that playing and practicing against individuals with COVID would result in widespread outbreaks among athletes. It just didn't happen....COVID does not spread outdoors. Clearly close, confided space indoors is a major issue....but I believe masks have helped here tremendously in spaces (like school) that absolutely require them. I'd also invite you to read here. www.tmj4.com/news/coronavirus/fall-sports-have-their-challenges-but-franklin-schools-are-overcoming-themPositive test here and there? Denver went into a game with a practice squad WR playing QB. They had to postpone games and play them on a Tuesday and Wednesday. Cleveland played without their HC. Let's not act like everything went off without a hitch.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 19, 2021 19:04:58 GMT -6
Not sure i'm 100% following your questions, but sensing some skepticism. The facts. All schools in Wisconsin had some level of inperson learning that ALSO had a football season, in general. Milwaukee, Madison, and surrounding large suburbs were 100% virtual....and also delayed their football season till Spring. That said, any player testing positive was held out for two weeks. Additionally, any teams and teammates playing with or against this player were notified of the positive test. We can not force families to test their children of course. This with no fans at games (or 1 or 2 adults per athlete in some areas), requirement of temp checks at games for all players....pretty obvious COVID doesn't spread as easily outdoors....especially outdoors and kids. Hell, look at the NFL. Positive tests here and there, and you'd think that playing and practicing against individuals with COVID would result in widespread outbreaks among athletes. It just didn't happen....COVID does not spread outdoors. Clearly close, confided space indoors is a major issue....but I believe masks have helped here tremendously in spaces (like school) that absolutely require them. I'd also invite you to read here. www.tmj4.com/news/coronavirus/fall-sports-have-their-challenges-but-franklin-schools-are-overcoming-themPositive test here and there? Denver went into a game with a practice squad WR playing QB. They had to postpone games and play them on a Tuesday and Wednesday. Cleveland played without their HC. Let's not act like everything went off without a hitch. It is the quarantining policies, not positive tests, that are the issue for sports, schools, etc. That is probably a good thing from a public health perspective. In my school district, over 1/3 of the entire population has been quarantined for at least 2 weeks since the start of the school year (and the jr high and high schools didn't start 5 day a week face to face until November).
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Post by carookie on Jan 19, 2021 19:52:03 GMT -6
Coaches, I am a coach in California (I will wait for the laughter to stop......) and we are looking to compile data from states that have played football this year. This is in hopes of swaying local and state officials to loosen the restrictions they have placed on school attendance and sports for kids. If you have any such data please send it my way. Thank you Fight not looking too good now, CIF just canceled any football playoffs. There are some teams around here going renegade now though
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Post by irishdog on Jan 19, 2021 21:45:10 GMT -6
Coaches, I am a coach in California (I will wait for the laughter to stop......) and we are looking to compile data from states that have played football this year. This is in hopes of swaying local and state officials to loosen the restrictions they have placed on school attendance and sports for kids. If you have any such data please send it my way. Thank you Fight not looking too good now, CIF just canceled any football playoffs. There are some teams around here going renegade now though Only thing left is cancelling the season altogether. Won't surprise me in the least to see schools in various regions of the state go rogue and find games with other like schools in their area just so the boys can play a few games. CIF will have a hissy fit, the governor will be pissed off (then go eat at another exclusive restaurant in the wine country) and finally after he's had his fill will declare an immediate halt to all spring sports.
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Post by carookie on Jan 19, 2021 22:13:54 GMT -6
Fight not looking too good now, CIF just canceled any football playoffs. There are some teams around here going renegade now though Only thing left is cancelling the season altogether. Won't surprise me in the least to see schools in various regions of the state go rogue and find games with other like schools in their area just so the boys can play a few games. CIF will have a hissy fit, the governor will be pissed off (then go eat at another exclusive restaurant in the wine country) and finally after he's had his fill will declare an immediate halt to all spring sports. A couple of smaller sized private schools faced off this past weekend in southern California, a lot of coaches are waiting to see what the punishment is and if the juice will end up being worth the squeeze. FWIW, there have been a number of private leagues starting up around here as well.
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Post by irishdog on Jan 23, 2021 11:14:54 GMT -6
Only thing left is cancelling the season altogether. Won't surprise me in the least to see schools in various regions of the state go rogue and find games with other like schools in their area just so the boys can play a few games. CIF will have a hissy fit, the governor will be pissed off (then go eat at another exclusive restaurant in the wine country) and finally after he's had his fill will declare an immediate halt to all spring sports. A couple of smaller sized private schools faced off this past weekend in southern California, a lot of coaches are waiting to see what the punishment is and if the juice will end up being worth the squeeze. FWIW, there have been a number of private leagues starting up around here as well. If those private leagues pull it together THEN watch the CIF response. Covid may be the best excuse yet for the CIF to finally disassociate the public schools from the private schools. That's how it is in Texas, a public school state association with their own state playoffs, and a private school state association with their own state playoffs. Texas publics play Texas privates during the regular season, but they are separate come playoff time. Watch the fur fly on that one!
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Post by carookie on Jan 23, 2021 13:01:03 GMT -6
A couple of smaller sized private schools faced off this past weekend in southern California, a lot of coaches are waiting to see what the punishment is and if the juice will end up being worth the squeeze. FWIW, there have been a number of private leagues starting up around here as well. If those private leagues pull it together THEN watch the CIF response. Covid may be the best excuse yet for the CIF to finally disassociate the public schools from the private schools. That's how it is in Texas, a public school state association with their own state playoffs, and a private school state association with their own state playoffs. Texas publics play Texas privates during the regular season, but they are separate come playoff time. Watch the fur fly on that one! Yeah, except these two schools don't have any sway- they are division 13 schools with no more than a couple hundred kids. They arent the schools with money or the ears of anyone in power to unite the cause. I dont know how dividing Private from Public for the playoffs out here in southern California would play out. For every 'big time recruiting powerhouse' private school out here, there are about a dozen more small time just scraping by private schools, or small private schools who arent trying to be an athletic power. And to be fair, the top line public schools 'bend the rules' out here as much as most privates in regards to recruiting, poaching, etc. I think youd just be creating more bureaucracy and more divisions (which CIF loves). Plus, most of those smaller privates would enjoy just playing other privates in the playoffs. I've coached at a few, its not easy when you take your team of 20 regular kids who just want to play ball, against a big public school who has 80+ on the roster, but gets bumped down a division because of recent struggles.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 23, 2021 14:29:43 GMT -6
I dont know how dividing Private from Public for the playoffs out here in southern California would play out. For every 'big time recruiting powerhouse' private school out here, there are about a dozen more small time just scraping by private schools, or small private schools who arent trying to be an athletic power. And to be fair, the top line public schools 'bend the rules' out here as much as most privates in regards to recruiting, poaching, etc. You just described Louisiana...which split the playoffs several years ago.
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Post by bulldogsdc on Jan 25, 2021 13:13:37 GMT -6
Footballscoop has a story today that the OP might check out.
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