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Post by fantom on Nov 20, 2020 15:51:56 GMT -6
The All State thread pointed out a problem in communicating about situations: Different terms mean different things in different states. What's a conference in one state might be called a district in another. How about yours? This is our state:
Virginia (Public schools only)
District- The group of schools that immediately compete during the regular season. Our district has 10 schools so our regular season
consists of 9 district games and 1 out of district game. Other districts vary in size.
Region- A group of districts whose teams compete in the first three rounds of the playoffs.
Classification- The statewide division of schools by size. There are six classifications 1-6 (low to high). Districts are not necessarily
organized by classification but for the playoffs regions are.
League- The Virginia High School League is the statewide governing body for public schools.
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Post by coachscdub on Nov 20, 2020 16:55:57 GMT -6
California is such a cluster that i cant come close to answering. North and South operate under different rules and classification processes.
But Northern Cal we had
League - The group of schools that immediately compete during the regular season. At my old school we had 8 Teams, so seven League games, 3 Non-League Games
-- This changed as one of our teams has somewhat left the league, meaning they cannot win the league but they play against the top 4/5 teams from last years standings in order to fill out their schedule
Division - Schools grouped together by enrollment size (Div 1- Div 5) Division 1 is the largest schools, but we also have an Open division which is the top four teams from Division 1.
Sections - Regions of the state divided between North and South
Im not an expert, im sure others can fill it out more concisely, but this is pretty general
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Post by carookie on Nov 20, 2020 18:41:09 GMT -6
California is such a cluster that i cant come close to answering. North and South operate under different rules and classification processes. But Northern Cal we had League - The group of schools that immediately compete during the regular season. At my old school we had 8 Teams, so seven League games, 3 Non-League Games -- This changed as one of our teams has somewhat left the league, meaning they cannot win the league but they play against the top 4/5 teams from last years standings in order to fill out their schedule Division - Schools grouped together by enrollment size (Div 1- Div 5) Division 1 is the largest schools, but we also have an Open division which is the top four teams from Division 1. Sections - Regions of the state divided between North and South Im not an expert, im sure others can fill it out more concisely, but this is pretty general California has 10 CIF sections (divided regionally) each of which basically acts as its own state organization. Up until recently, there was no playoff between teams from different sections. So essentially winning your CIF section was akin to winning state for most other people. Im in the Southern Section, we have almost 600 schools covering an area with a population of about 15 million people. Within that section teams are grouped into Leagues- an organization of usually 5-8 nearby teams of roughly the same size. It used to be that 5-8 Leagues of roughly the same sized Leagues would group together to form a division, of which there are 14. It is within your division that you would play your playoff games. For example, all the leagues of mid sized schools in one area of the Southern Section would form up and be Division 7. The Top few teams from each league would go to the playoffs (16 teams total) and the winner would be declared division 7 CIF Champ- and that would be the end of it. I'll put a kinda of Pyramid chart below to show how it went: SECTION- the top level of Classification divided by region. DIVISION- a grouping of similarly sized, nearby leagues within the section. Usually 5-8 LEAGUE- a grouping of similarly sized, nearby schools within a division. including your rival and the teams you play every year. There have been some recent changes within the southern section though. Now, leagues no longer fall all within one division. Instead, if you are a good team for a few years they move you up in division (even if you are outmanned), and if you are bad they move you down. In essence they are punishing success and rewarding failure in an effort to get a diversity of playoff winners. Now, you can have a league of teams who all go into different playoff divisions based on recent history. Also, when all is said and done, all division champions move on to a CIF state playoff. So after the playoffs are done the Southern section submits their 14 winners, along with the 5 from San Diego, and the X amount from Central Section, and the X from Northern, etc. etc. Into a pool of champions. They are then matched up in groups of 4 (2 from the northern half of the state and two from the southern) into State playoff groups; except for the top team from the South and top team from the North who automatically matchup in the Open Division State Championship. These 4 CIF champion teams, play in a short playoff to determine the newly formed State Champion. |
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Post by 44dlcoach on Nov 20, 2020 19:08:03 GMT -6
Our largest grouping is class i.e. Class 4A is the largest schools, then 3A, etc.
Within each Class we have Regions i.e. Class 4A is divided into 3 geographic Regions.
Each Region is split up into 2 Leagues.
For our smaller Classes it's not exactly like that because of numbers and there has been talk of playing regular seasons that are more based on geography than Class, but it hasn't happened yet.
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Post by coachscdub on Nov 20, 2020 20:24:26 GMT -6
California is such a cluster that i cant come close to answering. North and South operate under different rules and classification processes. But Northern Cal we had League - The group of schools that immediately compete during the regular season. At my old school we had 8 Teams, so seven League games, 3 Non-League Games -- This changed as one of our teams has somewhat left the league, meaning they cannot win the league but they play against the top 4/5 teams from last years standings in order to fill out their schedule Division - Schools grouped together by enrollment size (Div 1- Div 5) Division 1 is the largest schools, but we also have an Open division which is the top four teams from Division 1. Sections - Regions of the state divided between North and South Im not an expert, im sure others can fill it out more concisely, but this is pretty general California has 10 CIF sections (divided regionally) each of which basically acts as its own state organization. Up until recently, there was no playoff between teams from different sections. So essentially winning your CIF section was akin to winning state for most other people. Im in the Southern Section, we have almost 600 schools covering an area with a population of about 15 million people. Within that section teams are grouped into Leagues- an organization of usually 5-8 nearby teams of roughly the same size. It used to be that 5-8 Leagues of roughly the same sized Leagues would group together to form a division, of which there are 14. It is within your division that you would play your playoff games. For example, all the leagues of mid sized schools in one area of the Southern Section would form up and be Division 7. The Top few teams from each league would go to the playoffs (16 teams total) and the winner would be declared division 7 CIF Champ- and that would be the end of it. I'll put a kinda of Pyramid chart below to show how it went: SECTION- the top level of Classification divided by region. DIVISION- a grouping of similarly sized, nearby leagues within the section. Usually 5-8 LEAGUE- a grouping of similarly sized, nearby schools within a division. including your rival and the teams you play every year. There have been some recent changes within the southern section though. Now, leagues no longer fall all within one division. Instead, if you are a good team for a few years they move you up in division (even if you are outmanned), and if you are bad they move you down. In essence they are punishing success and rewarding failure in an effort to get a diversity of playoff winners. Now, you can have a league of teams who all go into different playoff divisions based on recent history. Also, when all is said and done, all division champions move on to a CIF state playoff. So after the playoffs are done the Southern section submits their 14 winners, along with the 5 from San Diego, and the X amount from Central Section, and the X from Northern, etc. etc. Into a pool of champions. They are then matched up in groups of 4 (2 from the northern half of the state and two from the southern) into State playoff groups; except for the top team from the South and top team from the North who automatically matchup in the Open Division State Championship. These 4 CIF champion teams, play in a short playoff to determine the newly formed State Champion. Like i alluded to im no expert, but i know when i was northern California there were only 5 (maybe 6) divisions, but last year when i was in Long Beach there were 10 Divisions. In southern California your division was determined by your previous seasons record (and recent history) so for example my school was 4400 kids, but we were in division 7 (i think). But at my previous school in NorCal you did not fluctuate between divisions, your division was determined by your school enrollment. And the rules between North and South were not identical, |
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Post by carookie on Nov 21, 2020 0:27:56 GMT -6
California has 10 CIF sections (divided regionally) each of which basically acts as its own state organization. Up until recently, there was no playoff between teams from different sections. So essentially winning your CIF section was akin to winning state for most other people. Im in the Southern Section, we have almost 600 schools covering an area with a population of about 15 million people. Within that section teams are grouped into Leagues- an organization of usually 5-8 nearby teams of roughly the same size. It used to be that 5-8 Leagues of roughly the same sized Leagues would group together to form a division, of which there are 14. It is within your division that you would play your playoff games. For example, all the leagues of mid sized schools in one area of the Southern Section would form up and be Division 7. The Top few teams from each league would go to the playoffs (16 teams total) and the winner would be declared division 7 CIF Champ- and that would be the end of it. I'll put a kinda of Pyramid chart below to show how it went: SECTION- the top level of Classification divided by region. DIVISION- a grouping of similarly sized, nearby leagues within the section. Usually 5-8 LEAGUE- a grouping of similarly sized, nearby schools within a division. including your rival and the teams you play every year. There have been some recent changes within the southern section though. Now, leagues no longer fall all within one division. Instead, if you are a good team for a few years they move you up in division (even if you are outmanned), and if you are bad they move you down. In essence they are punishing success and rewarding failure in an effort to get a diversity of playoff winners. Now, you can have a league of teams who all go into different playoff divisions based on recent history. Also, when all is said and done, all division champions move on to a CIF state playoff. So after the playoffs are done the Southern section submits their 14 winners, along with the 5 from San Diego, and the X amount from Central Section, and the X from Northern, etc. etc. Into a pool of champions. They are then matched up in groups of 4 (2 from the northern half of the state and two from the southern) into State playoff groups; except for the top team from the South and top team from the North who automatically matchup in the Open Division State Championship. These 4 CIF champion teams, play in a short playoff to determine the newly formed State Champion. Like i alluded to im no expert, but i know when i was northern California there were only 5 (maybe 6) divisions, but last year when i was in Long Beach there were 10 Divisions. In southern California your division was determined by your previous seasons record (and recent history) so for example my school was 4400 kids, but we were in division 7 (i think). But at my previous school in NorCal you did not fluctuate between divisions, your division was determined by your school enrollment. And the rules between North and South were not identical, Meanwhile, here I am at a school of under 200. We make a couple playoff runs and get bumped up to division 9....where we meet up against schools with over 3,000. Many ADs were begging CIF to set caps for this type of thing, but as you wrote earlier its a cluster |
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 1, 2020 9:47:58 GMT -6
In South Carolina, the state association is called the SC High School League. It was created by the member schools many years ago. Primarily this is for public schools, but there are some larger private schools (comparatively speaking*) that are also members. There are also some charter schools that part of the association, but several do not field football teams.
The SCHSL creates the classifications. We have 1A, which the smallest, all the way up to 5A which is the biggest. There are roughly the same number of schools in each, but 1A has quite a few less b/c of some of those charter schools and size discrepancy between the school within that classification. Schools are set into their classification every 2 years and there is no 'bump up or bump down' if you're successful or horrible. The reclassification done every 2 years. Everything is based on the 135 Average Daily Attendance. If a school wants to petition to move up or down or down a classification, about the only way is to get another school to agree to switch with you**.
The Regions are set by the executive committee of the SCHSL after the classification is done. Each classification has either 6, 7, or 8 regions. These regions are split by what is considered the Upstate and the Lower State. (This isn't strictly a north/south geographical delineation it's by the fall line) The number of school in each region are roughly geographic in nature, but since there are some very rural areas and the larger cities are spread out there are always a school here and there that has to travel a bunch. The regions declare champions and region finish determines the seedings for the playoffs. The Upstate regions compete against each other through the semifinals, and the Low State with each other to the semifinals. If there are only 7 regions in a classification, then there is a 'hybrid region' around the Midlands. There are anywhere between 5 and 8 schools in a region. Each region sets its region schedule and the schools set their own non-region schedule. 10 games total. Regions member schools determine/declare champions, all region qualifications, playoff tie breakers, any agreed upon cross regional non-regions games, any sub varsity limitations, complimentary tickets, etc...
So school -> region -> classification -> league
The only level that names an "All Anything" team are the regions and each one determines qualifications. All State stuff is just done by newspapers and other groups.
* The smaller privates created SCISA, SC Independent School Association, but I'm not sure about how that is all set up. They have both 11 man and 6/7 (?) man football.
** There is one school that petitioned to move down a classification this last cycle b/c they have always been horrible in football and they were denied. School appealed asking if they moved down, then they wouldn't participate in any playoffs or qualify for any region championships, etc.. and were approved.
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