|
|
Plagiarism
Nov 18, 2020 20:04:53 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by planck on Nov 18, 2020 20:04:53 GMT -6
Hey this might be a weird question, maybe it should go in career advice.
Anyway, a fella on our staff has made a habit of plagiarizing and stealing my work. I do a fair amount of program art, forms, etc. Turns out, this guy has been taking shared documents from the Google drive and putting his name on it to try and impress our admin. I'm kind of stunned, because a full grown man doing something like that just bewilders me.
Im not inclined to be confrontational about it, but I'm not entirely sure what to do. I'm not losing money or anything, but its sort of a coach
Klein / coach Beaulieu situation.
|
|
|
|
Post by cqmiller on Nov 18, 2020 20:33:20 GMT -6
Sucks when you have guys like that... I've had things like that happen in the past, which is why pretty much anything I put on drive for other guys to have access to I put in PDF so they can print it if they need it, but can't really rip it off because if it needs ANY modification, they can't do it.
I guess I don't understand what showing admin a bunch of stuff you guys all use would do for them... I've begged, borrowed, and stole stuff from lots of guys, repackage/modify it to fit my style all the time, but have never copy-pasted it or just flat-out claimed it to be my own.
Sounds to me like he is laying the groundwork to undercut someone for the job (or the next job), and it is either the current HC or he's trying to put himself in position to get the HC job over anyone else on staff by "showing what I can do" to get a leg-up on the rest of you on staff.
That guy can't be good overall for the program... guys who cheat or take shortcuts eventually get found out (like you have discovered) and they can never recover
|
|
|
|
Plagiarism
Nov 18, 2020 20:45:23 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by planck on Nov 18, 2020 20:45:23 GMT -6
I should not have omit the important part: he's stealing this stuff and using it as part of his interviewing for our HC position. I honestly wouldn't give a crap if he had asked and said "I'd like to use this."
Fine, go ahead. But he's trying to make it look like he's responsible for a ton of work he didn't do. Rubs me wrong.
|
|
|
|
Post by fantom on Nov 18, 2020 23:22:33 GMT -6
I should not have omit the important part: he's stealing this stuff and using it as part of his interviewing for our HC position. I honestly wouldn't give a crap if he had asked and said "I'd like to use this." Fine, go ahead. But he's trying to make it look like he's responsible for a ton of work he didn't do. Rubs me wrong. I think bringing it to his attention may be in order. |
|
|
|
Post by CS on Nov 19, 2020 5:18:27 GMT -6
I should not have omit the important part: he's stealing this stuff and using it as part of his interviewing for our HC position. I honestly wouldn't give a crap if he had asked and said "I'd like to use this." Fine, go ahead. But he's trying to make it look like he's responsible for a ton of work he didn't do. Rubs me wrong. I think bringing it to his attention may be in order. This. And take everything off the shared drive |
|
|
|
Post by coachcb on Nov 19, 2020 9:31:08 GMT -6
I think bringing it to his attention may be in order. This. And take everything off the shared drive
Agreed... This situation would entail a) being blackballed from the football Google Drive and b) a butt-chewing. I used another coach's rather large program manual for an interview but I cleared it with him before hand. I rewrote some aspects to fit my personal philosophy but I still gave that coach credit when the interview committee was impressed with it.
"That's an impressive program manual." "I can't take credit for it; a friend of mine allowed me to use his as a template."
|
|
|
|
Post by jgordon1 on Nov 19, 2020 10:06:20 GMT -6
I agree with most but just to be the devils advocate..You did make the stuff for the program..isn't it available for anyone to use? Would the admin know he didn't make it? etc
|
|
|
|
Post by planck on Nov 19, 2020 10:28:25 GMT -6
I'm sympathetic to that. Mostly just don't want someone to take credit for someone else's work. Just ask, I'll say yes.
|
|
|
|
Post by joelee on Nov 19, 2020 10:40:54 GMT -6
I once had a very generous HC tell me "take anything you want, put your name on it, and when they call for a recommendation I'll confirm its all yours". That's how it should be done. Communication. Call the guy on it.
|
|
|
|
Post by planck on Nov 19, 2020 10:44:47 GMT -6
I did, btw, speak directly with him this morning and worked it out. I guess last night I was more surprised than anything else.
|
|
|
|
Post by coachcb on Nov 19, 2020 10:45:25 GMT -6
I'm sympathetic to that. Mostly just don't want someone to take credit for someone else's work. Just ask, I'll say yes.
Agreed.
I don't care about playbooks as we've all poached that information from somewhere else. You want to use our "See you, see me" tag for a fold block? Oh well, I got that from another coach.
But other materials are a different story. The program manual I described was incredibly detailed and well organized. Had I written my own, it would have been 90% similar to what the other coach had put down. As such, I asked him if I could use it as a template, he agreed and we moved forward. Had he said, "NO, DON'T BE A LAZY ARSE!!", I would have completely understood.
|
|
|
|
Post by planck on Nov 19, 2020 10:48:18 GMT -6
I think it's more about respect than intellectual property or anything like that. We're all coaches, and we constantly steal from each other. Just have the respect for another coach to say "Oh I got that from XXX." That's all. Hell, I've been stealing stuff from jgordon1 for years. When people ask, I just refer them to his books. Not hard. |
|
|
|
Post by carookie on Nov 19, 2020 12:12:29 GMT -6
I think it's more about respect than intellectual property or anything like that. We're all coaches, and we constantly steal from each other. Just have the respect for another coach to say "Oh I got that from XXX." That's all. Hell, I've been stealing stuff from jgordon1 for years. When people ask, I just refer them to his books. Not hard. That reminds me of a time, many years back, when I was DC for a school and one of the assistants really thought he should be the DC. He used to try to challenge me all the time, and one time brought his program manual to point something out to me, in front of the HC and all. He thought he had a good idea for how something or other should be done; even though it was already being done that way he was mad that he wasnt in charge. So he opens up his manual to show us something, and this is where it gets good, the work he has outlined has MY NAME on it. Long story short, I shared something with a coach here on Huey, that coach put it on his site (with me cited) and this guy found and took it for his manual. Keeping my name on it. I pointed it out to him, and that ended that. |
|
|
|
Post by larrymoe on Nov 19, 2020 12:19:45 GMT -6
Beat his ass.
|
|
|
|
Post by larrymoe on Nov 19, 2020 12:21:35 GMT -6
I think it's more about respect than intellectual property or anything like that. We're all coaches, and we constantly steal from each other. Just have the respect for another coach to say "Oh I got that from XXX." That's all. Hell, I've been stealing stuff from jgordon1 for years. When people ask, I just refer them to his books. Not hard. That reminds me of a time, many years back, when I was DC for a school and one of the assistants really thought he should be the DC. He used to try to challenge me all the time, and one time brought his program manual to point something out to me, in front of the HC and all. He thought he had a good idea for how something or other should be done; even though it was already being done that way he was mad that he wasnt in charge. So he opens up his manual to show us something, and this is where it gets good, the work he has outlined has MY NAME on it. Long story short, I shared something with a coach here on Huey, that coach put it on his site (with me cited) and this guy found and took it for his manual. Keeping my name on it. I pointed it out to him, and that ended that. Once coached wrestling with a guy who had a former Olympic wrestling coach as his assistant. In one meeting the HC started talking about a book or article he read about techniques and how it was revolutionary and how we should all read it and implement it. The assistant just clears his throat and says "Coach, I wrote that." |
|
|
|
Post by Coach Bennett on Nov 19, 2020 12:49:22 GMT -6
Ask him to meet with you about some pertinent football scheme and organizational work.
Have your copy and "his" and then simply ask him what's going on. The look on his face will say it all.
|
|
|
|
Post by jgordon1 on Nov 20, 2020 9:27:50 GMT -6
I think it's more about respect than intellectual property or anything like that. We're all coaches, and we constantly steal from each other. Just have the respect for another coach to say "Oh I got that from XXX." That's all. Hell, I've been stealing stuff from jgordon1 for years. When people ask, I just refer them to his books. Not hard. I hear you. I sometimes run across articles that are word for word what I wrote.....no attribution...Frickin USA Football would literally take pages from my book and put them on their website...This is a multi million dollar company |
|
|
|
Post by cqmiller on Nov 20, 2020 20:57:02 GMT -6
A few years back... someone who was on this site had taken one of my excel documents that I give out to people and was selling it to make money. That was when I started putting password on all my documents so that nobody can do anything other than use EXACTLY what I programmed it to do.
I had to learn the hard way.
|
|
|
|
Plagiarism
Nov 23, 2020 15:59:21 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by Defcord on Nov 23, 2020 15:59:21 GMT -6
Shoot I have probably seen copy and paste versions of all of your playbooks on kids my virtual students have turned. There’s no way some of them still have functioning cntr c and v keys in their computers.
|
|
|
|
Plagiarism
Nov 23, 2020 19:20:48 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by planck on Nov 23, 2020 19:20:48 GMT -6
Coda:new HC announced today. External hire. Introduces himself to staff and players.
Presentation is about 90% my work hastily edited together.
Nice to know that at least somebody is profiting from my work...
|
|
|
|
Plagiarism
Nov 23, 2020 20:31:44 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by CS on Nov 23, 2020 20:31:44 GMT -6
Coda:new HC announced today. External hire. Introduces himself to staff and players. Presentation is about 90% my work hastily edited together. Nice to know that at least somebody is profiting from my work... How is everyone getting your $hit? If you have it so easily accessible to everyone then why be surprised that they take it from you? |
|
|
|
Plagiarism
Nov 23, 2020 21:05:38 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by planck on Nov 23, 2020 21:05:38 GMT -6
Been covered elsewhere in the thread.
|
|
|
|
Post by Down 'n Out on Nov 24, 2020 9:56:54 GMT -6
I'm not entirely sure what to do. I'm not losing money or anything, but its sort of a coach Klein / coach Beaulieu situation. Imagine him with a tiny baby head and make "goo goo goo" noises when you look at him j/k I'd be upset. If he was just printing it off and using it as "this is what I believe in" thats one thing (personally id still ask) but putting his name on it as though he created it is very different imo. Shared drive or not |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 10:09:05 GMT -6
Proves my theory that at the core, people are rotten.
|
|
|
|
Post by planck on Nov 24, 2020 10:27:08 GMT -6
I'm naive; I keep assuming people are smart and honest. The older I get, the more times I have that assumption blow up in my face.
|
|
|
|
Plagiarism
Nov 24, 2020 10:36:11 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by CS on Nov 24, 2020 10:36:11 GMT -6
Been covered elsewhere in the thread. Yeah by a guy that was in the program. You said this guy was an out of district hire. |
|
|
|
Post by planck on Nov 24, 2020 12:03:02 GMT -6
Sorry, I should be more clear: They hired the guy, he already has control of our hudl and share drive. In his meeting with parents, stuff was taken from our drive and represented. It doesn't really matter, I'll just get over it.
|
|
