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Post by cqmiller on Oct 29, 2020 8:55:22 GMT -6
Hey guys,
A few of my buddies want me to pick back up on our "football 101" class that we did a while back. Seems like a lot of kids don't come to the HS level having watched a ton of football in the past or even know the actual rules. I have a good idea of the stuff I am going to put in it, but I don't have a ton of examples of some of the weirder rules you run into. If any of you have cutups of some of the things that cause referee meetings and coaches to lose their minds because they didn't know the ruling, is there a way we can share some of that stuff on this thread?
Things Like
1) Fair Catch Free Kick
2) Punt not crossing the Line of Scrimmage
3) Punting team touching the ball, not picking it up and return team picks it up and goes
4) 1-point safety
I'm sure there are some I'm not thinking of right now as well.
Thanks guys.
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Post by pvogel on Oct 29, 2020 9:18:07 GMT -6
I love the obscure stuff. But some of the more common rules that I find players and coaches don't get -
1. Eligible receivers. For the love of goodness.
2. HS intentional grounding rules
3. Downing a punt - its the ball dangit. Not the body.
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Post by vikingdw on Oct 29, 2020 9:30:08 GMT -6
Add to your list: A Field goal kick/attempt is a scrimmage kick just like a punt, and treated the same way as a punt. So a Field Goal attempt that rolls dead in the field of play or goes out of bounds anywhere outside of the End Zone would be the spot where the opposing offense takes over.
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Post by carookie on Oct 29, 2020 9:41:56 GMT -6
I love the obscure stuff. But some of the more common rules that I find players and coaches don't get - 1. Eligible receivers. For the love of goodness.2. HS intentional grounding rules 3. Downing a punt - its the ball dangit. Not the body. This I think would be a big one to coach the kids about. You always face teams that do wacky formations or unbalanced looks. Having film of this would be pertinent to their success on the field, and all ow you to explain it visually. 7 Men on the LOS, only the ones on the outside are eligible, as well as anyone in the backfield (pending numbers). That way when they face a team who puts their slot on the LOS to cover him up and run some wacky jet motion to it, they are ready. I wouldnt worry too much about things like the fair catch free kick, or any event that can be discussed during the dead ball. Its fun to know as a rule, but wouldnt really impact them during the play. One that I would show to your coaches, and possibly your players pending your offense, is spiking the ball from the shotgun (illegal). Was a coach on a spread team a few years back trying to make a comeback and that penalty pushed us just outside of FG range. As long as your QB knows when clocking it be under center you should be fine, but that may help visually reinforce. |
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Post by pvogel on Oct 29, 2020 10:23:31 GMT -6
I love the obscure stuff. But some of the more common rules that I find players and coaches don't get - 1. Eligible receivers. For the love of goodness.2. HS intentional grounding rules 3. Downing a punt - its the ball dangit. Not the body. One that I would show to your coaches, and possibly your players pending your offense, is spiking the ball from the shotgun (illegal). Was a coach on a spread team a few years back trying to make a comeback and that penalty pushed us just outside of FG range. As long as your QB knows when clocking it be under center you should be fine, but that may help visually reinforce. They just changed the rule to allows spiking it from the gun. I'm on the fence as to which is better. I think I still like under center since I still use it for sneaks and victory. I saw a team do it and it came close to the qb throwing the ball behind. Like I think they should'e called it. If the ball goes in front of your face and then hits the ground directly between your feet... that's a backwards pass. A lateral. Fumble. Game over. |
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Post by wolverine55 on Oct 29, 2020 10:32:06 GMT -6
I actually do have a clip I could share, but don't know how to load Hudl clips on here. An opposing team badly missed a field goal against us and if I had coached our kids up better we had a kid who could have scooped up the ball and ran for a touchdown. Instead, they downed it and gained a little field position on us. I knew the rule; I just lost track of things in the heat of the moment.
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Post by cqmiller on Oct 29, 2020 12:41:00 GMT -6
I actually do have a clip I could share, but don't know how to load Hudl clips on here. An opposing team badly missed a field goal against us and if I had coached our kids up better we had a kid who could have scooped up the ball and ran for a touchdown. Instead, they downed it and gained a little field position on us. I knew the rule; I just lost track of things in the heat of the moment. If you send it to me on HUDL (Cottonwood High School in Murray, UT) I'll make sure I share everything I put together with everyone. I am just trying to see what clips I can find (if any) and go from there. |
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Post by planck on Oct 29, 2020 19:51:37 GMT -6
Hey guys, A few of my buddies want me to pick back up on our "football 101" class that we did a while back. Seems like a lot of kids don't come to the HS level having watched a ton of football in the past or even know the actual rules. I have a good idea of the stuff I am going to put in it, but I don't have a ton of examples of some of the weirder rules you run into. If any of you have cutups of some of the things that cause referee meetings and coaches to lose their minds because they didn't know the ruling, is there a way we can share some of that stuff on this thread? Things Like 1) Fair Catch Free Kick 2) Punt not crossing the Line of Scrimmage 3) Punting team touching the ball, not picking it up and return team picks it up and goes 4) 1-point safety I'm sure there are some I'm not thinking of right now as well. Thanks guys. Three years ago, #3 happened to our sophomores in a game. 98 yard td. Couldn't believe it. |
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Post by fantom on Oct 29, 2020 20:50:11 GMT -6
I actually do have a clip I could share, but don't know how to load Hudl clips on here. An opposing team badly missed a field goal against us and if I had coached our kids up better we had a kid who could have scooped up the ball and ran for a touchdown. Instead, they downed it and gained a little field position on us. I knew the rule; I just lost track of things in the heat of the moment. Here's a similar play. The film quality is poor but this is what happened: Last play of the game. Red team attempted a FG which the team in white blocked then ran off the field excitedly, thinking that they'd won. The ball was still in play, though. When one of the kids on the kicking team realized that he scooped the ball up and scored the winning TD. This was the STATE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME, |
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Post by coachklee on Oct 29, 2020 21:39:12 GMT -6
I love the obscure stuff. But some of the more common rules that I find players and coaches don't get - 1. Eligible receivers. For the love of goodness.2. HS intentional grounding rules 3. Downing a punt - its the ball dangit. Not the body. This I think would be a big one to coach the kids about. You always face teams that do wacky formations or unbalanced looks. Having film of this would be pertinent to their success on the field, and all ow you to explain it visually. 7 Men on the LOS, only the ones on the outside are eligible, as well as anyone in the backfield (pending numbers). That way when they face a team who puts their slot on the LOS to cover him up and run some wacky jet motion to it, they are ready. I wouldnt worry too much about things like the fair catch free kick, or any event that can be discussed during the dead ball. Its fun to know as a rule, but wouldnt really impact them during the play. One that I would show to your coaches, and possibly your players pending your offense, is spiking the ball from the shotgun (illegal). Was a coach on a spread team a few years back trying to make a comeback and that penalty pushed us just outside of FG range. As long as your QB knows when clocking it be under center you should be fine, but that may help visually reinforce. We’ve found ways to get cheap TDs or big gains relying on this being undercoached by opponents that play Cover 0 Man or Cover 1 Man! |
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Post by eagles12 on Oct 29, 2020 23:12:42 GMT -6
This isn't an obscure rule, but something that we coach.
We had an interesting situation about 8 years back. Under 2 minutes in the game, we were down 1, opposing team has possession. They are driving and pick up a first down on FB trap. They come right back to it and score. They go up 7, but miss the PAT. We take possession, drive the field, and win the game.
We could not stop FB trap. Had the FB not scored, we would have lost the game because they would have kept the chains moving. As a result, we now coach our kids, if we are up 1 with two minutes remaining and we break free we get the first down and then take a knee.
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Oct 30, 2020 0:05:12 GMT -6
How to run out the clock - this was sad...
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Post by bleefb on Oct 30, 2020 0:28:24 GMT -6
This isn't an obscure rule, but something that we coach. We had an interesting situation about 8 years back. Under 2 minutes in the game, we were down 1, opposing team has possession. They are driving and pick up a first down on FB trap. They come right back to it and score. They go up 7, but miss the PAT. We take possession, drive the field, and win the game. We could not stop FB trap. Had the FB not scored, we would have lost the game because they would have kept the chains moving. As a result, we now coach our kids, if we are up 1 with two minutes remaining and we break free we get the first down and then take a knee. Ask Todd Gurley about this one!  We actually had similar situation, we go over this situation every week but our RB was selfish and wanted the TD. Sure enough, the other team drives the field, scores, goes for two, receiver wide open, our LB makes an incredible play to bat the ball at the last second we hang on to win. But hey, our RB padded his stats so it was all good. SMH
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 30, 2020 1:42:28 GMT -6
You can find some “heady” plays on youtube. Things such as a kickoff that dies in bounds near sideline,,,player gets out of bounds, then with feet out of bounds reaches into field and grabs ball. Kick off out of bounds.
Also, i dont have footage but years ago in a playoff game I saw a Player throw the ball up in the air at the final horn thinking game was over and they had won. Naturally, defense picks up the fumble and scores the winning TD
Edit— i posted this without watching the “how to run out the clock” video above. That depicts basically the same thing.
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Post by pvogel on Oct 30, 2020 4:57:16 GMT -6
How to run out the clock - this was sad... wtf... I don't even have words. Can't imagine. We do practice "sky ball" though. 2 receivers wide, 2 wings (TEs) and a back. Everyone protects. Super max protect. Like literally tackle the guy and hold him down(if they call holding it is an untimed down and you can just take a knee). QB runs around til he can't and throws the ball over the WRs head as high as he can onto the track. We can milk 8 seconds easy. I would be confident with 10. |
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Post by wolverine55 on Oct 30, 2020 7:19:40 GMT -6
Had a situation all the way back in 2004 where we upset a ranked team in the playoffs. Our team knew the play wasn't over when the clock hit zeros; the problem was our student body didn't. Fortunately we tackled their player right before the students hit the field...
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 30, 2020 7:34:08 GMT -6
I actually do have a clip I could share, but don't know how to load Hudl clips on here. An opposing team badly missed a field goal against us and if I had coached our kids up better we had a kid who could have scooped up the ball and ran for a touchdown. Instead, they downed it and gained a little field position on us. I knew the rule; I just lost track of things in the heat of the moment. Here's a similar play. The film quality is poor but this is what happened: Last play of the game. Red team attempted a FG which the team in white blocked then ran off the field excitedly, thinking that they'd won. The ball was still in play, though. When one of the kids on the kicking team realized that he scooped the ball up and scored the winning TD. This was the STATE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME, I scored a TD my Sr year on Sr night on a similar play. 15 yds. Add that to my 25yd Int my Jr year and I had a 20yd/touch average. Not bad for an OL/DL. |
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 30, 2020 7:34:45 GMT -6
How to run out the clock - this was sad... I'd have a really hard time not physically hurting that QB if I was his team mate. |
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Post by bulldogsdc on Oct 30, 2020 8:10:26 GMT -6
SOUND UP
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Post by bobgoodman on Oct 30, 2020 10:03:49 GMT -6
How to run out the clock - this was sad... wtf... I don't even have words. Can't imagine. Not hard. Players may be used to soccer or basketball, where the period ends with the clock if there's no shot in the air. |
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Post by cqmiller on Oct 30, 2020 13:55:03 GMT -6
How to run out the clock - this was sad... I remember that one... rough way to end a playoff game. |
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Post by cqmiller on Oct 30, 2020 13:58:17 GMT -6
This isn't an obscure rule, but something that we coach. We had an interesting situation about 8 years back. Under 2 minutes in the game, we were down 1, opposing team has possession. They are driving and pick up a first down on FB trap. They come right back to it and score. They go up 7, but miss the PAT. We take possession, drive the field, and win the game. We could not stop FB trap. Had the FB not scored, we would have lost the game because they would have kept the chains moving. As a result, we now coach our kids, if we are up 1 with two minutes remaining and we break free we get the first down and then take a knee. We were up 6 with 2 minutes left this year and they could have just not got in on 1st and 2nd down on purpose to waste time but we let them score on 1st and goal so we were down by 1 with 1:40 left in the game. Ended up scoring with 5 seconds left and getting the 2-pt to win by 7. It was a great game. End of game scenarios are always fun to think about (it was less fun telling our defense to let them score knowing we would be down 1 and if we didn't get in I'm the idiot). Worked out this time for us. |
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Post by fantom on Oct 30, 2020 14:55:55 GMT -6
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Post by wolverine55 on Oct 30, 2020 16:58:54 GMT -6
Must have been a "point of emphasis" one year. We lost a TD on something similar back in, I think, 2013. |
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 30, 2020 17:05:52 GMT -6
YA BOIII!!!
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Post by Coach Bennett on Nov 2, 2020 15:38:48 GMT -6
How to run out the clock - this was sad... Holy #$^# |
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Post by wingtol on Nov 2, 2020 19:14:32 GMT -6
practice taking a safety
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Post by ylspecial on Nov 4, 2020 7:41:38 GMT -6
We worked a Free Kick FG attempt at the end of a half every week.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 4, 2020 9:25:25 GMT -6
Must have been a "point of emphasis" one year. Love this. I say this every year about "point of emphasis". After a few years they forget that rule even exists. |
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Post by resdeal on Nov 5, 2020 12:08:41 GMT -6
How about "The game doesn't end just because the clock hits 0:00". We had a situation last year where we took the lead with under a minute to go. Our opponent got to about their own 40 with just under 20 seconds remaining on the clock. They threw a pass to our deep safety. He intercepted it and ran around until the clock hit zero and just dropped the ball. He didn't take a knee or get tackled. He just dropped the ball. Luckily the other team just jumped on the ball instead of a scoop and score. Game over. We won, but now a must teach for us.
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