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Post by option1 on Oct 28, 2020 17:03:01 GMT -6
For anyone that does not know, Florida chose to do a blind draw for playoffs based on Counties that opted in to the state series. There are many teams, like us, who do not belong and have been matched with juggernauts. We have had a rough season, are low on numbers and would have a bye week to contend with were we to play. Given the circumstances I have considered leaving whether to play or not up to a player vote. Thoughts?
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 28, 2020 17:05:10 GMT -6
What's the difference between potentially having to play a juggernaut the last week of your regular season? Would you forfeit that game?
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Post by option1 on Oct 28, 2020 17:18:10 GMT -6
What's the difference between potentially having to play a juggernaut the last week of your regular season? Would you forfeit that game? The difference is I already know we don't really have a choice in the matter of scheduled contest and there would be a penalty that our district and school would not approve of. I'm not sure what our county A.D. would think but our school A.D. is all about not playing this game. Qe had a 60 point halftime deficit earlier in the year and he went over to find out our second half options from the refs. 1 of the options was to forfeit the second half, which would have automatically disqualified us from the state series, guy was all for it! |
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Post by chi5hi on Oct 28, 2020 17:41:08 GMT -6
As a coach, I would never sacrifice my guys by sending them into a meat grinder, but if they're not physically outmatched, I'd say let them play. After all, it's their team.
You of all people should know if they can or can't physically compete.
I'm sure that you have met (as have we all) other coaches whose primary attention is on their own W/L record and that is what drives them. So what is important to the guys?
If they can match up and you back off from the contest...well, that's what quitters do. They'll never forget that.
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Post by option1 on Oct 28, 2020 17:47:48 GMT -6
As a coach, I would never sacrifice my guys by sending them into a meat grinder, but if they're not physically outmatched, I'd say let them play. After all, it's their team. You of all people should know if they can or can't physically compete. I'm sure that you have met (as have we all) other coaches whose primary attention is on their own W/L record and that is what drives them. So what is important to the guys? If they can match up and you back off from the contest...well, that's what quitters do. They'll never forget that. If we could match up this wouldn't even be a thought in my mind. My biggest concern is that we have kids that want to play and it isn't safe. We're just a couple players away from being in the danger zone, as happened in game I recerenced above. We had circumstances that required players be on the field that weren't ready and it didn't end well for them. May be 2 of the worst concussion symptoms I've seen. I believe we could safely play if noone had to go out long term. Soon as that happens though we are down to freshman that wouldn't play in a jv game here. |
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Post by chi5hi on Oct 28, 2020 17:53:11 GMT -6
It seems as though you have your answer. I wouldn't leave it up to the players to decide. You should do it.
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 28, 2020 18:38:21 GMT -6
It seems as though you have your answer. I wouldn't leave it up to the players to decide. You should do it. Ya, I think he's just looking for someone to justify it. |
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Post by wingtol on Oct 28, 2020 18:53:00 GMT -6
We opted out of our playoffs two years in a row. We end up playing up a class from an error and everyone made our district playoffs. We were matched up with the one seed who destroyed us in the regular season and were about 20 in pads at the time. Not even worth it.
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Post by realdawg on Oct 29, 2020 3:27:35 GMT -6
Maybe its just me. But I'd play. You say you have enough to play unless someone gets hurt.....you cant set around and expect bad things to happen. I think its a bad look to your kids and community not to play, to me that looks like you are quiting on them when you can have another week of practice to make your young kids better for next year, and give everyone a chance to play 1 more football game.
Again, I may be wrong, I have been before, but I'd play.
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Post by option1 on Oct 29, 2020 5:40:14 GMT -6
It seems as though you have your answer. I wouldn't leave it up to the players to decide. You should do it. Ya, I think he's just looking for someone to justify it. The question is about allowing the players to vote. Thanks |
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 29, 2020 8:41:11 GMT -6
Ya, I think he's just looking for someone to justify it. The question is about allowing the players to vote. Thanks But that is a hard thing for a 15,16,17,18 year old to do. It doesn’t seem to have very many positive outcomes either. Hell, the “best case” scenario (they vote to play and the end up victorious) then communicates that you didn’t believe in them. |
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Post by fkaboneyard on Oct 29, 2020 9:15:28 GMT -6
I coached at a school where we started the season with 18 eligible kids (many of them not very good) and about a dozen good kids that were not eligible because they had transferred in. So we got walloped the first half of the season until the good kids became eligible, got walloped in the first league game because kids were learning how to play together and then won the last 3 league games. Our record was such that we were not an automatic playoff team but could have easily been given an at-large berth if we were to apply for it. The HC told the kids that we had applied but he had actually instructed the AD not to apply for it. The kids eventually found out about it and all of them - even the kids that didn't really want to keep playing - were outraged by it. The kids all felt that the HC didn't believe in him and it created a lot of drama. One of the big reasons kids were so angry was that they had worked so hard and had so few games (compared to basketball and baseball). Many of them wanted to play one more game.
The HC was fired the following January (there were many other things contributing to his termination but this was certainly one of them).
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 29, 2020 11:09:39 GMT -6
Ya, I think he's just looking for someone to justify it. The question is about allowing the players to vote. Thanks Then do it. Why ask us? And why post a million points why you think you shouldn't play? Your mind is already made up as evidenced by your words. |
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Post by chi5hi on Oct 29, 2020 17:07:45 GMT -6
I coached at a school where we started the season with 18 eligible kids (many of them not very good) and about a dozen good kids that were not eligible because they had transferred in. So we got walloped the first half of the season until the good kids became eligible, got walloped in the first league game because kids were learning how to play together and then won the last 3 league games. Our record was such that we were not an automatic playoff team but could have easily been given an at-large berth if we were to apply for it. The HC told the kids that we had applied but he had actually instructed the AD not to apply for it. The kids eventually found out about it and all of them - even the kids that didn't really want to keep playing - were outraged by it. The kids all felt that the HC didn't believe in him and it created a lot of drama. One of the big reasons kids were so angry was that they had worked so hard and had so few games (compared to basketball and baseball). Many of them wanted to play one more game. The HC was fired the following January (there were many other things contributing to his termination but this was certainly one of them). An excellent point, and one that young coaches should not disregard. The kids may be young and not yet experienced in the ways of the world...but they sure as heck know when their coach doesn't believe in them. Oh yeah...and no one likes being lied to! |
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Post by joelee on Oct 29, 2020 17:24:34 GMT -6
Ya, I think he's just looking for someone to justify it. The question is about allowing the players to vote. Thanks I wouldn't let the players vote. The HC is the leader. Lead. |
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Post by 44dlcoach on Oct 29, 2020 19:20:29 GMT -6
Play the game. We coach a sport with a small number of opportunities to play, especially in 2020. You have a chance to give the kids one more game, take advantage of it. Go give them hell.
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Post by realdawg on Oct 30, 2020 5:58:25 GMT -6
Blitz like hell, play zone behind it, if you just line up and play you say you'll get your teeth kicked in. So do something different. Try to create chaos. We had a similar situation a few years ago. We snuck in the playoffs at 4-7 due to strength of schedule. Last team in, had to play the number 1 seed which had beat us 42-0 earlier in the year. Now we were fortunate in that we had an off week prior to the playoffs to let teams affected by a hurricane finish their season. But we blitzes, stunted, and generally just tried to cause chaos. It worked. We were up 10-6 halfway through the second quarter and down 12-10 at half I believe. Then the turnover bug hit and we turned in over 3 times in a row in our own end and it got away from us. However, the game plan to do something different worked and allowed us to hang around for a while.
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Post by option1 on Oct 30, 2020 8:08:57 GMT -6
Turns out the penalty is too severe to even consider a forfeit.
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