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Post by poundit52 on Oct 27, 2020 19:57:54 GMT -6
Does anyone know if it is illegal for a coach to work the Hi-Pod camera behind the end zone and be on a headset at the same time? I wouldn’t think they would be a rule for that but I’m not 100% sure either.
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Post by coachscdub on Oct 27, 2020 21:30:10 GMT -6
The only thing i could think of is it might be a violation of where coaches are allowed to be in reference to the coaches box on the field and the sky box.
Maybe something about if you're an on the field coach you need to be in the coaches box, but idk I've never heard of it being an issue.
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Post by pvogel on Oct 28, 2020 5:08:18 GMT -6
Haven't heard this. But it sounds freaking genius.
It means you could have a coach be the filmer for your EZ footage AND he could give input on shades and whatnot? Freaking awesome. I love it.
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Post by moose18 on Oct 28, 2020 6:24:06 GMT -6
I don't believe you're allowed to have a coach in the endzone, even if he's working as the filmer. Might as well put a coach on the chain crew and let him stand on the opponents sideline too
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Post by Wingtman on Oct 28, 2020 6:54:31 GMT -6
There used to be a school up here (Missouri) that had their coaches on a Lift behind the endzone. Called the entire game based on our look defensively from the endzone. We talked to the association, and only rule was, all teams had to have equal access, meaning they had to let us up there too, which they did, but I always thought it was genuis.
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Post by planck on Oct 28, 2020 7:25:24 GMT -6
How would this be appreciably different from having your EZ feed sent to instant replay in the box or on the sideline?
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Post by MICoach on Oct 28, 2020 8:35:15 GMT -6
How would this be appreciably different from having your EZ feed sent to instant replay in the box or on the sideline? Seeing it in real time makes a difference there IMO
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Post by cfoott on Oct 28, 2020 8:51:08 GMT -6
Just off the top of my head I thought that there was a rule about communication devices and sideline designation. I may be misinterpreting it or remembering it wrong, but I though that it was only between the 25s and the box.
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Post by wingtol on Oct 28, 2020 10:06:47 GMT -6
Just get HUDL sideline or any of the other sideline replay systems....?
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Post by cqmiller on Oct 28, 2020 10:19:49 GMT -6
Just get HUDL sideline or any of the other sideline replay systems....? Problem there becomes equity... my school has almost 75% of kids on free lunch. Fundraising for something like "sideline replay" isn't possible. We barely scrape by paying for our HUDL account without playbook or assist or any other features. Tons of schools around us with giant 60-inch TVs doing replay on their sidelines, when we have 18 kid dress for a game, you don't get to show your kids anything anyway. The 11 kids on O are the same 11 on D. I did have headsets on while I did endzone camera during a JV game this year... nobody complained. I was just telling my JV staff when we were misaligned and blown assignements.
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Post by fantom on Oct 28, 2020 10:26:59 GMT -6
Does anyone know if it is illegal for a coach to work the Hi-Pod camera behind the end zone and be on a headset at the same time? I wouldn’t think they would be a rule for that but I’m not 100% sure either. Are you sure that you don't want this in the Rules section?
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Post by planck on Oct 28, 2020 11:41:39 GMT -6
How would this be appreciably different from having your EZ feed sent to instant replay in the box or on the sideline? Seeing it in real time makes a difference there IMO I think you're right, although I was trying to suggest that a rule against the headset in the endzone might be illogical if you're already allowing instant replay.
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Post by Defcord on Oct 28, 2020 11:48:57 GMT -6
I don't believe you're allowed to have a coach in the endzone, even if he's working as the filmer. Might as well put a coach on the chain crew and let him stand on the opponents sideline too That’s not a bad idea
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Post by poundit52 on Oct 28, 2020 12:18:49 GMT -6
Does anyone know if it is illegal for a coach to work the Hi-Pod camera behind the end zone and be on a headset at the same time? I wouldn’t think they would be a rule for that but I’m not 100% sure either. Are you sure that you don't want this in the Rules section? I thought about putting it there but it didn’t seem like that section got much traffic.
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Post by fantom on Oct 28, 2020 12:50:03 GMT -6
Are you sure that you don't want this in the Rules section? I thought about putting it there but it didn’t seem like that section got much traffic. But the traffic includes officials who could definitively answer your question.
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Post by bignose on Oct 28, 2020 14:15:17 GMT -6
I don't believe you're allowed to have a coach in the endzone, even if he's working as the filmer. Might as well put a coach on the chain crew and let him stand on the opponents sideline too About 15 years ago we had a parent working the chains. Apparently he got into a rather spirited discussion with a member of our opponents coaching staff. The officials made the chain crew change over to the home side, and the League passed a rule that from that point on, all chains were kept on the home team's sideline. As far as headsets are concerned, I think that they are only allowed in the box. The coach has to remove them when goes out onto the field.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 28, 2020 17:30:55 GMT -6
I don't believe you're allowed to have a coach in the endzone, even if he's working as the filmer. Might as well put a coach on the chain crew and let him stand on the opponents sideline too About 15 years ago we had a parent working the chains. Apparently he got into a rather spirited discussion with a member of our opponents coaching staff. The officials made the chain crew change over to the home side, and the League passed a rule that from that point on, all chains were kept on the home team's sideline. As far as headsets are concerned, I think that they are only allowed in the box. The coach has to remove them when goes out onto the field. I thought the chains had to be opposite the press box so you could see them on the film. Our sideline is opposite the pressbox, so we get the chains every week.
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Post by wingtol on Oct 28, 2020 17:56:11 GMT -6
Just get HUDL sideline or any of the other sideline replay systems....? Problem there becomes equity... my school has almost 75% of kids on free lunch. Fundraising for something like "sideline replay" isn't possible. We barely scrape by paying for our HUDL account without playbook or assist or any other features. Tons of schools around us with giant 60-inch TVs doing replay on their sidelines, when we have 18 kid dress for a game, you don't get to show your kids anything anyway. The 11 kids on O are the same 11 on D. I did have headsets on while I did endzone camera during a JV game this year... nobody complained. I was just telling my JV staff when we were misaligned and blown assignements. I agree. I teach in a district with 100% free lunch. Coach in the district next door which isn't much better. We are a small football school and have the same numbers issues. The one play off on a special team doesn't give much time to correct much. We have neither an end zone camera or sideline replay. Figured if you can afford an end zone cam chances are you can probably get sideline replay. Point is there probably isn't much difference from having a guy on a head set with the end zone cam and getting a shot on an ipad on the sideline anyways.
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Post by lmorris on Oct 29, 2020 7:06:15 GMT -6
I don't believe you're allowed to have a coach in the endzone, even if he's working as the filmer. Might as well put a coach on the chain crew and let him stand on the opponents sideline too We actually play a team that their AD is on the Chain Crew, and one of the Chain crew stays on his phone texting through the entire game. They have done this the last two years, this year my wife went nuts on them this year. I have never noticed, but according to her and the fans, the guy sits there and just watches me and sends a text between every play.
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Post by veerman on Oct 29, 2020 7:43:08 GMT -6
Chain crew can't have communicating devices I'm pretty sure. Seen a ref tell a chain member that if he saw him with his phone out again messing with it, that he would be removed from the sideline.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 29, 2020 9:55:38 GMT -6
I got a "sideline" warning for hollering at the defense to get set right from the box one game. So, I'd imagine the same thing applies from the EZ.
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Post by Defcord on Oct 29, 2020 13:00:55 GMT -6
I got a "sideline" warning for hollering at the defense to get set right from the box one game. So, I'd imagine the same thing applies from the EZ. I am not very loud usually, but one game we were in was a significant game and I yelled something into the head sets but the players must've heard it because our middle LB gave me a thumbs up and yelled "GOT IT COACH!" We were at a small school with no band. It was pretty funny. I still tell our kids if they are confused to give me the shrug look from the field and I will send down important information to the sideline coaches.
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Post by coachklee on Oct 29, 2020 15:49:27 GMT -6
I do it all the time for our JV games. Only one opponent ever said anything to the officials about it after noticing me walking in at halftime. If I had pulled my headset off earlier, I doubt they would have known.
As a few others have said we don’t exactly have a huge budget for Hudl sideline and are lucky to fill a 9-12 staff of 5 with quality coaches. We certainly struggle to find 2 reliable film guys (SL & EZ) for JV games.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 31, 2020 12:14:10 GMT -6
I got a "sideline" warning for hollering at the defense to get set right from the box one game. So, I'd imagine the same thing applies from the EZ. I am not very loud usually, but one game we were in was a significant game and I yelled something into the head sets but the players must've heard it because our middle LB gave me a thumbs up and yelled "GOT IT COACH!" We were at a small school with no band. It was pretty funny. I still tell our kids if they are confused to give me the shrug look from the field and I will send down important information to the sideline coaches. Our Will LB decided he need to apex beteeen the EMLOS and the #1 WR against a Trey Open set. I saw it, lost my cool from the booth and hollered him at to get his "a-- back in the friggin' box." The opposing team's HC yelled at me to stop coaching from the booth and then a flat flew.
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