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Post by toprowguy on Dec 2, 2005 18:40:03 GMT -6
I've heard coaches talk about to be successful on offense you must reach certain goals. What are theses goals??? Win the Turnover Battle Score 21 Points Score in the Redzone But what else?  |
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Post by coachjd on Dec 2, 2005 22:15:06 GMT -6
we have one team goal that when we reach it have never lost a game. Run 60+ offensive plays. We usually reach this number about 3-4 times per year and have never lost when reach this team goal since we have been keeping track.
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fish
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Post by fish on Dec 2, 2005 22:28:15 GMT -6
i'm sure it varies offense to offense. i've seen goals laid out like this:
win
150 yards rushing
no turnovers
no penalties
penetrations
first downs
i think it just depends on what you run and all that. american football monthly ran an article a few months ago about keys to winning championships and since then they've been breaking down those keys one at a time.
the offensive keys were in this order from most to least:
scoring offense
total offense
passes had intercepted
turnovers lost
rushing offense
passing offense
fumbles lost
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Post by toprowguy on Dec 3, 2005 15:26:39 GMT -6
I read that article it was very imformative.
Funny that mention running over 60 offensive plays a game as one of the goals because I was breaking down our offense this morning and was thinking about the total number of plays we should reach in a game.
I was going to post a question and I still might about how many plays a winning HS team should run in a game.
The number I was thinking of this morning was running 60 plays a game.
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Post by toprowguy on Dec 31, 2005 12:58:14 GMT -6
Here are the offensive goals I came up with per game. WHat does everyone think??? Please add or subtract any that you like or dislike. Thanks.
SIX OFFENSIVE GOALS TO WIN A FOOTBALL GAME
1. Average four (4) yards on first down sixty-five percent (65%) of the time.
2. Have one or less turnovers. Have fewer turnovers then our opponent.
3. Have four big plays a game. A big play is over twenty-five yards.
4, Score three offensive touchdowns.
5. Convert on third down forty-five percent (45%) of the time.
6. Run over sixty (60) offensive plays a game.
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Post by pegleg on Dec 31, 2005 13:30:51 GMT -6
these are the ones we use.
1. win
2. score 1st series of each have
3. 200 yards passing
4. 150 yards rushing
5. 350 total
6. no more than 2 TOs
7. 8 explosives (+15 rushing, +20 pass)
8. no drive stopped by penalty
9. 90% red zone
10. no more than 1 sack per 20 attempts
11. 50% 3rd down ratio
12. 15 1st downs
then we say you most grade 75% and the team must get 7 of 12 goals for helmet stickers.
Holla
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Post by toprowguy on Dec 31, 2005 16:04:28 GMT -6
I like those and the idea of giving helmet stickers for achieving them.
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Post by jhanawa on Dec 31, 2005 16:36:27 GMT -6
As a offensive coach I want to;
1. Dictate the tempo of the game.
2. Disperse the football, make the defense cover the entire field.
3. Keep the defense off balance with formations & play calling.
4. Execute efficient chain moving drives.
As an team offensive goal;
1. Set the Tempo with our pads and our feet, not our mouths.
2. Ball security.
3. Maintain mental discipline.
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Post by jwells on Dec 31, 2005 18:11:53 GMT -6
We have moved away from posting offensive/defense specific goals - we have them but focus more on TEAM related goals. This way regardless which side of the ball meets the goal it reflects as a team goal met - less finger pointing etc.
Our team goals are as follows:
1. SCORE FIRST!
2. WIN TAKE AWAY COMPARISON
(BLOCKED KICKS & SUCCESSFUL PUNT FAKES ARE CONSIDERED TAKE AWAYS)
3. WIN BIG PLAY COMPARISON
OFFENSE: RUNS +14 DEFENSE: NO RUNS +14
SPECIAL TEAMS
PUNTS DOWNED INSIDE +10
PUNT RETURN +20
PASSES +19 NO PASSES +19 KICKOFF HELD INSIDE 20
KICK RETURN @ -40
WIN STARTING FIELD POSITION COMPARISON
FEWER PENALTY YARDS
SCORE LAST!
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jwells
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Post by jwells on Dec 31, 2005 18:27:10 GMT -6
That came out messed up
1. SCORE FIRST!
2. WIN TAKE AWAY COMPARISON
(BLOCKED KICKS & SUCCESSFUL PUNT FAKES ARE CONSIDERED TAKE AWAYS)
3. WIN BIG PLAY COMPARISON:
OFFENSE: RUNS +14, PASSES +19
DEFENSE: NO RUNS +14, NO PASSES +19
SPECIAL TEAMS: PUNTS DOWNED INSIDE +10, PUNT RETURN +20, KICKOFF HELD INSIDE 20, KICK RETURN @ -40
4. WIN STARTING FIELD POSITION COMPARISON
5. FEWER PENALTY YARDS
6. SCORE LAST!
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Post by outlawzheadcoach on Dec 31, 2005 19:36:51 GMT -6
My goal is this.......... execute, execute, execute, after that all the other stuff will fall into place.
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Post by toprowguy on Jan 20, 2006 19:20:39 GMT -6
These are all good
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Post by jman on Jan 20, 2006 22:25:40 GMT -6
toprowguy,
The one goal our offense strives for the most is 4+, 1st down or TD, 60% of the time. When we have reached this goal, we have only lost 1 time the last three years. Reguardless of how the defense played! I would have to say you are right on track with your #1 goal.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 20, 2006 23:34:58 GMT -6
philosophy we take:
get a 1st down. period. that's our goal. 3 plays to get a 1st down. then, get another one in 3 plays. then, get another one. get another one. eventually, they'll give us a touchdown.
we want our guys to think in those terms. get first downs. don't think touchdowns. think GET A 1ST DOWN!!.
(i know, this isn't goals, but it is what we want our mindset to be)
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Post by toprowguy on Jan 21, 2006 8:27:10 GMT -6
First down is the most important down in football.
Have to do something positive on first down.
The worst thing that can happen is a negative play.
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Post by phantom on Jan 21, 2006 9:57:55 GMT -6
I'm a defensive coach but here are our game goals. I guess you can use them to help guide you in setting offensive goals.
1. Win
2. Allow no offensive TD.
3. Allow no run or pass of 20 or more yards.
4. Allow 3 or fewer yards per rushing attempt.
5. Allow fewer than 7 yards per pass attempt.
6. Allow no sudden-change TDs.
7. Allow no drive of 12 or more plays.
8. Have 3 or more lost-yardage plays.
9. Have 3 or more takeaways.
10. Have 1 or more short-yardage stop.
11. Stop 75% or more of 3rd/long conversion attempts.
12. Have fewer than 5 missed tackles.
13. Score or set up an offensive score.
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dial51
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Post by dial51 on Jan 21, 2006 12:36:14 GMT -6
For me personally, I believe a critical aspect to offensive success is ZERO turnovers and ZERO penalties. By eliminating both you give yourself the opportunity to be successful. Don't beat yourself, if you lose, force the other team to do it.
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iahc
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Post by iahc on Jan 22, 2006 10:26:59 GMT -6
When I first became the head coach at the school I'm at now, I researched the previous 5-6 seasons of the school and found that when they gained 13+ first downs they were successful, so we set that as a goal every game. We have averaged 7 wins a season the last four years and in each of those victories we have gained 13 or more first downs. Once we get those first downs, we want to average 4 yards per play on first down. Likewise, we must win the turnover battle. Two other goals we have each Friday - 350 yards of total offense and No Sacks.
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Post by airman on Jan 22, 2006 11:16:33 GMT -6
i heard brian billick state you only need two goals on offense. these two goals are what win football games is what he had researched
1. turnovers
2. explosives (plays 12 yds or more)
the teams which had the most of these, won the game.
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Post by toprowguy on Jan 22, 2006 11:37:51 GMT -6
I like the total number of first downs
I think I will add that one.
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Post by los on Jan 22, 2006 20:58:59 GMT -6
Need at least one nice long drive per quarter to control the tempo/clock keep penalties and turnovers to a minimum play for good field position try to score at least once on offense, defense and special teams try for as many 2pt conversions as you can
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Post by spreadattack on Jan 22, 2006 21:09:21 GMT -6
If anyone is still in school or has a chance to take any college courses a course in applied statistics or econometrics is really helpful (regression analysis). That is what Billick's study of the NFL came from and the AFM article also was based on that. Basically a cross-sectional correlation analysis of what stats did winning teams have in common. I'm no expert but it does help for thinking about this stuff.
The AFM ones are good place to start. I think it's worth laying out specific things. Sometimes we do two-tiered goals, like 25 points and 35 points, etc.
I agree with Huey and others, not all of your team "goals" are the same as what necessarily it takes "to win." Goals are more about attitude for your team and getting them focused on the little things and details. Billick's turnovers and explosive plays are what good teams do (passes over 20, runs over 12) but that goes more into your gameplan and you as a coach and practice than saying "Team goal is to have more 'explosive plays' than our opponent." Just my thoughts.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 22, 2006 21:59:42 GMT -6
Goals are more about attitude for your team and getting them focused on the little things and details. excellent summation. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 22, 2006 22:39:54 GMT -6
I belive that if you are goal setting, they should be PROCESS goals, and not outcome goals. Process goals are things that will go into the process of winning, where as outcome goals, obviously, are the outcome of the plays in the game.
For example, I strongly disagree with setting a goal such as "rush for 150 yards". You guys come out, they are playing an 8 man front and now trying to reach that goal MIGHT NOT BE A PART OF THE PROCESS OF WINNING THE GAME. So we have set and emphasized a goal, that we no longer necessarily want to try to acheive.
I prefer goals that you can truly strive for, true PROCESS goals. Goals that WE are completely in control of. On offense I like things similar to :
Zero Procedure Penalties. That is not an outcome based goal, as we are in complete control of procedure penalties.
100% Ball Security. Rather than stressing NO turnovers, I prefer to evaluate our ball security efforts. Are there any times the ball carrier put the ball in a position to be stripped? Did a ball carrier ever fail to carry the ball as instructed? Did we properly handle the exchange? Did receivers catch then tuck immediately as instructed? Those can all be evaluated on film.
The others, you can decide what % u think is appropriate
___% carry out fakes.
__% correct blocking assignments
___%qb decisions in passing game
I feel things like this are more useful than goals that involve you and the other team.
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