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Post by hammer66 on Sept 17, 2020 10:31:31 GMT -6
I haven't been a DC. The adventurer in me wants to give it a shot. But I believe that being a DC is more difficult Saturday through Thursday. But being an OC might be more difficult on gameday. Or maybe we just tend to overthink or try to get cute and creative and we put that on ourselves. But I also think lots of DCs overthink themselves during the week. Tendencies are great and all but we're usually just doing a few things but responding to how you line up and your personnel. And if you line up differently than our previous opponents and you have different players... then it's going to be a little different. Like I coached for a dude that was obsessive and drew and repped EVERYTHING. We played a team that ran weak toss from the I A TON against a 4 man over front with no overhang weak side. I'm like... dude... they're not going to do that against our 3-3 stack where we ALWAYS have an overhang. But we repped it in practice... the defense killed the scout O because they had stupid numbers... and then they never ran it in the game. Obviously. But we gave up 40+ points because they did all kinds of other stuff that was similar to what they already did but utilizing the numbers that were present against our defense that wasn't there against others. Everyone thinks they can run an offense though. It is truly quite annoying. People can tell when your D is bad. But they rarely offer real, tangible football solutions (other than JUST BLITZ EM COACH! BRING PRESSURE!). But EVERYONE gives "solutions" on Offense. Even when there's no dang problem.
Having done both, here's my two cents:
Yes, being a DC on game night isn't that difficult if you don't overthink things and you've done your job that week. I know I need to slow down and breath if my call sheet is longer than a half page. Worst comes to worst, we play "base" all game. With that being said, it can be frustrating as you watch a chit ton of film and prepare the kids just to have them play poorly. And, it's can be stuff that you have a hard time anticipating and you typically can't adjust to.
Last season, we pursued and tackled well for the first three weeks of the season. As such, we backed off during Week 4 to rep other areas. We still practiced pursuing and tackling daily but we kept the drills short n' sweet and we looked good. The result; we were AWFUL on Friday night. We had more missed tackles that game than the other three weeks combined. To make matters worse, we had pulled back on those two fundamentals to rep proper blitz technique (coverage, reading, redirecting, etc..). We could properly execute ONE of the four stunts we game planned for that night..
I, personally, find it much easier to be an OC. We've got enough tools in the tool-box to game plan and (hopefully) get the job done. We'll walk in with a thorough game plan but it'll go out the window in a hurry if we find something we can exploit. We run the Wing-T but I have no issue calling hitches to our SE/x over and over again if that CB is playing off. And, if worst comes to worst, we'll run the ball, chew up the clock and get out of there quickly. We're not going to chuck n' duck in an attempt to make a losing score look better against a team that's whooping our a$$.
I have done both. What I found out DC crap ton of work to get to game day then just let them play and make your adjustments. OC not as much work during the week HOWEVER game night alot more pressure to make the right call at the right time and hope the other team does not come up with the DEFENSE of the week to stop you. Just my 2 cents.... |
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Post by center on Sept 17, 2020 12:55:01 GMT -6
DC is getting hard to fill. A lot of scout work that needs to be done. Also keeping up with the diversity of offenses today, even in high school. Agreed... Being a DC can be tough. You need all of the positions firing on all cylinders in order to succeed. That takes a fair amount of coordination and communication at practice. IME, being an OC is easier; you'll be alright as long as the OL does their job and a couple of kids know how to run to daylight. Lol
And you can always punt on offense...can't do that when you have a bad series on defense. |
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Post by mariner42 on Sept 17, 2020 13:23:19 GMT -6
JV Assistant.
I keep bringing out good ones and the next year they're varsity assistants.
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Post by dblwngr on Sept 17, 2020 15:58:29 GMT -6
JV Assistant. I keep bringing out good ones and the next year they're varsity assistants. Sounds like your either bringing the right guys in or doing a good job developing coaches. Either way, good problem to have! |
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Post by larrymoe on Sept 17, 2020 17:45:46 GMT -6
Oline and it's not even close. I was an Oline coach and D-cord 21 years until finally this season we found a good Oline guy to free me up. This was the same case at both the schools I was at during that time. I'm sure you can imagine what my weekends have looked like over the years. Thank God my wife and kids think it's cool that I'm a coach! I bet you're crusty as hell. And I love it! From one OL/DC to another (tips hat). |
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Post by coachcb on Sept 17, 2020 17:55:08 GMT -6
Agreed... Being a DC can be tough. You need all of the positions firing on all cylinders in order to succeed. That takes a fair amount of coordination and communication at practice. IME, being an OC is easier; you'll be alright as long as the OL does their job and a couple of kids know how to run to daylight. Lol
And you can always punt on offense...can't do that when you have a bad series on defense. Ain't that the truth... And, many people don't understand what a "patient" defense is. Our number one priority is to avoid giving up the big play, period. Against some teams, we get quick three-n'-outs because we're betterthan they are. Against others, they string together long drives and I have to sit back and breathe. I'm waiting until a) they get a penalty and put themselves in a bad spot, b) they turn it over or c) I'm forced to be more aggressive when a or b aren't happening |
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Post by badtotheflexbone on Sept 17, 2020 18:59:27 GMT -6
OL and DB are the most important positions on the field. But the hardest coaches to find are ones willing to embrace the GA/QC type role. Breaking down film, inputing data, making scout cards. It is such a great learning experience (and helps the coordinators so much) but I have never found such an assistant in 5 years as an OC. Like CQMiller said - everyone wants to coach on Friday. Everyone wants to create and call plays. But finding people willing to work in their role for the "greater good"... that's tough. I would totally be down to do this to learn, are you still in the 559 area coach? |
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Post by carookie on Sept 17, 2020 20:29:31 GMT -6
OL and DB are the most important positions on the field. But the hardest coaches to find are ones willing to embrace the GA/QC type role. Breaking down film, inputing data, making scout cards. It is such a great learning experience (and helps the coordinators so much) but I have never found such an assistant in 5 years as an OC. Like CQMiller said - everyone wants to coach on Friday. Everyone wants to create and call plays. But finding people willing to work in their role for the "greater good"... that's tough. I actually REALLY enjoy all that GA/QC stuff. I think thats something thats a mark of a true coach. |
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Post by mariner42 on Sept 17, 2020 22:22:59 GMT -6
JV Assistant. I keep bringing out good ones and the next year they're varsity assistants. Sounds like your either bringing the right guys in or doing a good job developing coaches. Either way, good problem to have! Little of A, little of B. Pretty confident I'll get to keep this year's newbie (who actually coached me back in the day). |
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Post by pvogel on Sept 18, 2020 5:48:56 GMT -6
OL and DB are the most important positions on the field. But the hardest coaches to find are ones willing to embrace the GA/QC type role. Breaking down film, inputing data, making scout cards. It is such a great learning experience (and helps the coordinators so much) but I have never found such an assistant in 5 years as an OC. Like CQMiller said - everyone wants to coach on Friday. Everyone wants to create and call plays. But finding people willing to work in their role for the "greater good"... that's tough. I would totally be down to do this to learn, are you still in the 559 area coach? Unfortunately no. But I know several coaches in the area if you're looking to work. Shoot me a PM. |
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Post by pvogel on Sept 18, 2020 5:52:07 GMT -6
OL and DB are the most important positions on the field. But the hardest coaches to find are ones willing to embrace the GA/QC type role. Breaking down film, inputing data, making scout cards. It is such a great learning experience (and helps the coordinators so much) but I have never found such an assistant in 5 years as an OC. Like CQMiller said - everyone wants to coach on Friday. Everyone wants to create and call plays. But finding people willing to work in their role for the "greater good"... that's tough. I actually REALLY enjoy all that GA/QC stuff. I think thats something thats a mark of a true coach. Honestly the most fun I've had coaching was doing this collegiately. It was all football, all the time too. But I loved it. Learned a ton. I was also spoiled by working for a REALLY good HC and staff in general. I had more voice in gameplanning than I ever anticipated and felt so respected and value even though I was the low guy on the totem pole. Now I kind of expect that level of respect... and I wasn't getting it as a HS coordinator tbh. |
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Post by coachcb on Sept 18, 2020 8:52:43 GMT -6
It's great when you can get assistant(s) that are enthusiastic about film breakdown, scout cards and the other preparation logistics... Life as an HC and/or coordinator sucks when you can't.... I had an assistant once that absolutely loved all of that stuff and asked if he could do the majority of it. He split up and uploaded the game film every Friday night, scout cards for offense, defense and ST were done by Sunday, he helped the coordinators with HUDL breakdowns and just made everyone's life much easier. I miss that guy...
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Post by bird0660 on Sept 18, 2020 10:12:50 GMT -6
Im probably in the minority but I have trouble with WRs and QBs. I had 5 line coaches on staff last year.
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Post by newt21 on Sept 18, 2020 16:02:28 GMT -6
We’re having trouble filling our ranks with competent people period, have had to shuffle the staff to hide guys that are here for a pay check and we would get rid of them if we could, but can’t.
I coach OL bit have had to coach a few other positions when other coaches didn’t show.
IMO I think DB is the hardest to fill because lots of coaches think it’s just backpedal and stay deep.
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Post by carookie on Sept 18, 2020 16:40:10 GMT -6
It's great when you can get assistant(s) that are enthusiastic about film breakdown, scout cards and the other preparation logistics... Life as an HC and/or coordinator sucks when you can't.... I had an assistant once that absolutely loved all of that stuff and asked if he could do the majority of it. He split up and uploaded the game film every Friday night, scout cards for offense, defense and ST were done by Sunday, he helped the coordinators with HUDL breakdowns and just made everyone's life much easier. I miss that guy... As an assistant, I always asked to do the majority of it too. But a big part of it is I know I will get it done right and on time. I hate waiting for others who can't get their stuff done on time or correctly. |
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Post by Defcord on Sept 18, 2020 22:26:56 GMT -6
It's great when you can get assistant(s) that are enthusiastic about film breakdown, scout cards and the other preparation logistics... Life as an HC and/or coordinator sucks when you can't.... I had an assistant once that absolutely loved all of that stuff and asked if he could do the majority of it. He split up and uploaded the game film every Friday night, scout cards for offense, defense and ST were done by Sunday, he helped the coordinators with HUDL breakdowns and just made everyone's life much easier. I miss that guy... As an assistant, I always asked to do the majority of it too. But a big part of it is I know I will get it done right and on time. I hate waiting for others who can't get their stuff done on time or correctly. I like doing my own cards cause it makes me feel better that we are lining up right and able to fit everything correctly. It’s a just in case but over the years as I’ve drawn stuff up I have seen something that lead to an adjustment. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 19, 2020 7:36:35 GMT -6
As an assistant, I always asked to do the majority of it too. But a big part of it is I know I will get it done right and on time. I hate waiting for others who can't get their stuff done on time or correctly. I like doing my own cards cause it makes me feel better that we are lining up right and able to fit everything correctly. It’s a just in case but over the years as I’ve drawn stuff up I have seen something that lead to an adjustment. Thats why I think all of the coaches should draw up cards..it is probably the best way to learn the ins and outs of your defense. I am constantly surprised by the numerous threads here with coaches looking for short cuts or ways around doing what I consider to be a critical part of the learning process. Drawing up cards, with all 22 players, and all motions, shifts and the corresponding adjustments is a great way for newer coaches to learn the scheme, as well as point out potential issues like Defcord mentions. |
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Post by bigmoot on Sept 19, 2020 8:38:27 GMT -6
Im probably in the minority but I have trouble with WRs and QBs. I had 5 line coaches on staff last year. Must be a great group to work with... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2020 17:50:56 GMT -6
I’ve spent most of my career as an OL/DL coach. IME, former OL are over represented on coaching staffs and it’s not *that* hard to find someone who can do it. The issue is finding someone who wants to do it instead of coaching QBs or WRs.
IME, the one thing I see the least is a kicking/STs coach who really knows what he’s doing. After that it would be a DB coach who really knows his technique and how to teach it. IME, offensive skill positions like RB and WR tend to be the undercoached spots as well because teams frequently rely on newb coaches and the individual talent of their best athletes there.
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