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Post by 19delta on Sept 12, 2020 17:05:37 GMT -6
We had a local team here about 10 years ago that had like 15 "coaches". And this was a small-school program with about 40 total players 9-12. Of those 15 coaches, 10 of those guys were either Get-Back coaches, cheerleaders, or fans with a polo shirt. Remember when Mike Tyson used to enter the boxing arena with an entourage of 20 hype men? That's what this team reminded me of when they walked on to the field on Friday nights...  You can bet that there weren't 15 at practice on Wednesday. Oh no. Most of those guys only "coached" on Friday evening. Some of them showed up on Thursday but were MIA Saturday - Wednesday. |
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Post by 44dlcoach on Sept 12, 2020 22:05:21 GMT -6
I'm amazed how many dudes in polos are running around our sideline on Friday that I never see the other 6 days a week. We don't really have any of them trying to butt in on Fridays though, thank goodness.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Sept 12, 2020 22:11:44 GMT -6
We have 8 varsity coaches on a 50-55 man squad that practices varsity separate from the lower levels. We are fortunate to have that number in my opinion and I think we are lucky to have guys that treat their job like a professional.
That said we have had a little turnover so if we have 8 guys in a given year we probably have 2 or 3 that are a little inexperienced and are having to be guided along by the HC or coordinators a little more than others. As long as they understand and accept that and take the help, they are an asset.
Lower levels is a little more of a struggle to get guys that can be there every day. We mostly fill those positions with former players, a lot of them are in college and sometimes they can only control so much of their school or work schedules. We have about 8 lower level coaches and the JV and Freshman teams work together a lot which helps mitigate having some coaches missing at times.
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Post by cqmiller on Sept 13, 2020 13:09:06 GMT -6
I'm amazed how many dudes in polos are running around our sideline on Friday that I never see the other 6 days a week. We don't really have any of them trying to butt in on Fridays though, thank goodness. I've got 1 right now that fits into that category and it is frustrating for everyone. Gonna get it fixed ASAP. |
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Post by bobgoodman on Sept 13, 2020 13:19:17 GMT -6
Unless they have a prearrangement for one to keep his mouth shut and let the other one talk to the player, there's no such thing as decorum or whim when, after a rep, they instantly and simultaneously start giving immediate feedback. They may each get out a few words before they realize the other coach is contradicting him, and by then it's too late. It's pretty simple: each assistant coaches their position and their position alone. You keep your mouth shut if its not your position. The coordinators and head coach each position as they see fit. We have a lot of drills that aren't about a single position. The whole team is there and so are all the coaches. Should there be a coach designated to give all the feedback to every player there? |
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 13, 2020 14:09:10 GMT -6
It's pretty simple: each assistant coaches their position and their position alone. You keep your mouth shut if its not your position. The coordinators and head coach each position as they see fit. We have a lot of drills that aren't about a single position. The whole team is there and so are all the coaches. Should there be a coach designated to give all the feedback to every player there? Generally in an organized football operation, in that type of drill set up, the coaches are watching their assigned players. It is very unlikely in a snap second that someone with dual responsibilities (coordinator, HC) will see something a position coach also sees but simultaneous give conflicting feedback. And in the event that happens, it would only be a short bit, because the position coach should defer to the coordinator/head coach on the field. Regardless, it is not a best practice to stop practice and give tons of feedback at the juncture anyway. Note the mistake/confusion, move on to the next rep, and clean up stuff later. If your team is organized so that any coach speaks to any player in any setting, I don't think it will be a very successful endeavor in most cases. |
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Post by 44dlcoach on Sept 13, 2020 14:19:57 GMT -6
I'm amazed how many dudes in polos are running around our sideline on Friday that I never see the other 6 days a week. We don't really have any of them trying to butt in on Fridays though, thank goodness. I've got 1 right now that fits into that category and it is frustrating for everyone. Gonna get it fixed ASAP. In our first year at this school we had a dad in that role haha, had to get the school to stop letting him on the sideline real fast. |
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Post by somecoach on Sept 13, 2020 21:16:13 GMT -6
imo if you have quality guys who can buy in you can never have enough coaches and can find a spot for them.
last year we had 16 coaches for 120 players (60 varsity, 60 jv) 9 of which on varsity 7 of which on JV. This allowed the HC to free roam throughout the practice (which is a huge bonus)
unpopular opinion but put your better position coaches should be on JV for development purposes if you can afford it. Instead of developing 4 players as a varsity runningback's coach, it is a lot more useful developing 40 kids as a JV HC/OC.
perfect world is:
HC
STC
OC + OL, QB, RB, TE, WR
DC + DL, LB, DB, + *additional guy based off of scheme
*if a 3-4 base, it doesn't hurt to split up ILB and OLB
if 4-4/3-5 have a guy to work indie's for the Overhang players, and have safety and corners practice with someone else
if an advanced 4-2-5, 3-3-5 guy you can potentially split up the safeties and corners, depending on your system
I have also seen interior and exterior d-line split up on 4 man front teams to give people jobs (same for receivers)
With all that being said a realistic set up would probably be:
Varsity
HC
OC/QB
OL
WR
RB
TE
DC/LB
DL
DB
Additional schematic based coach
*and then gift the STC spot to your best position coach as a promotion
**assistant head coach is a good spot for an old timer who you want to keep around the program but you don't want to bump out a position coach
JV staff will attempt to emulate varsity but will likely have to swing positions between coach for individual practice:
i.e.: OC can coach QBs and RBs... and even TEs as a "backfield" coach ... something I was very successful at
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Post by coachcb on Sept 14, 2020 6:19:16 GMT -6
It's pretty simple: each assistant coaches their position and their position alone. You keep your mouth shut if its not your position. The coordinators and head coach each position as they see fit. We have a lot of drills that aren't about a single position. The whole team is there and so are all the coaches. Should there be a coach designated to give all the feedback to every player there?
Each coach should be watching HIS POSITION. if I'm the OL coach and the WR coach starts coaching up the OL, I'm going to say two things away from the kids:
1. Why aren't you watching the WRs? 2. If you know so much about the OL, why are you coaching WRs??
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Post by MICoach on Sept 14, 2020 8:26:00 GMT -6
We had a local team here about 10 years ago that had like 15 "coaches". And this was a small-school program with about 40 total players 9-12. Of those 15 coaches, 10 of those guys were either Get-Back coaches, cheerleaders, or fans with a polo shirt. Remember when Mike Tyson used to enter the boxing arena with an entourage of 20 hype men? That's what this team reminded me of when they walked on to the field on Friday nights... You can bet that there weren't 15 at practice on Wednesday. This is a pretty good point. On game day we might have like 15 "coaches" wearing gear on the sideline, but that breaks down as like 7 varsity coaches (HC, coordinators, position coaches), 5 lower level coaches (handle ST depth chart, personnel, box spotting), and another 1-3 volunteer type guys who have specific roles (get back, hudl sideline, etc). They're all there for a reason (hopefully...1-2 of them i'm not so sure...), but they're not all necessarily directly coaching in the game. |
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Post by agap on Sept 14, 2020 11:27:20 GMT -6
In a perfect world on defense:
1 DT coach
1 DE coach
1 ILB coach
1 OLB coach
1 CB coach
1 $ coach
Why would you need anymore than that?
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Post by mrjvi on Sept 14, 2020 11:45:54 GMT -6
I'm envious. We are a small school and have 2 varsity, 2 JV and 2 modified. (If we have enough for jv)
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Post by IronmanFootball on Sept 14, 2020 11:52:04 GMT -6
It's pretty simple: each assistant coaches their position and their position alone. You keep your mouth shut if its not your position. The coordinators and head coach each position as they see fit. We have a lot of drills that aren't about a single position. The whole team is there and so are all the coaches. Should there be a coach designated to give all the feedback to every player there? Watch and coach your guys. If you're the WR coach watching the QB, what good are you? |
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Post by bobgoodman on Sept 14, 2020 17:57:53 GMT -6
Don't any of you have any drills where you have everyone on the team practice the same skill?
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 14, 2020 18:26:56 GMT -6
Don't any of you have any drills where you have everyone on the team practice the same skill? Some may, but keep in mind Bob, that your coaching experience (seemingly somewhat relaxed youth ball or other recreational football ) is vastly different than what the majority here coach. Considering the thread topic is about having "too many" coaches, why would anyone in that situation do something as seemingly inefficient as having the entire team do something at the same time in mass? |
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Post by 44dlcoach on Sept 14, 2020 20:58:47 GMT -6
We certainly spend some time where the whole team, or the vast majority at least, work on the same skill st the same time, but not in the same group.
We all practice tackling at the same time but we do it in position groups with position coaches. Even the offense only guys practice it with their offensive position coaches when it's time for tackling. Same with turnover drills, ball security drills, everyone does them with their position coaches at the same time.
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Post by RnS-OC on Sept 14, 2020 22:39:48 GMT -6
We certainly spend some time where the whole team, or the vast majority at least, work on the same skill st the same time, but not in the same group. We all practice tackling at the same time but we do it in position groups with position coaches. Even the offense only guys practice it with their offensive position coaches when it's time for tackling. Same with turnover drills, ball security drills, everyone does them with their position coaches at the same time. This is one reason our defense uses tackling circuits. Each coach is responsible for coaching one tackling drill and the kids rotate through. This avoids the too many cooks problem. |
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Post by RnS-OC on Sept 14, 2020 22:44:34 GMT -6
For what it's worth since I asked the question, I feel our sweet spot has been around 15 between JV and varsity. This allows for positions to be covered while also accounting for when coaches miss practices or are sick.
QB: 1
RB: 2
WR: 2
OL: 3
DL: 2
LB: 2
DB: 3
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Post by bobgoodman on Sept 15, 2020 15:57:24 GMT -6
Don't any of you have any drills where you have everyone on the team practice the same skill? Some may, but keep in mind Bob, that your coaching experience (seemingly somewhat relaxed youth ball or other recreational football ) is vastly different than what the majority here coach. Considering the thread topic is about having "too many" coaches, why would anyone in that situation do something as seemingly inefficient as having the entire team do something at the same time in mass? Good point. Even when I went to high school, we had only about 4 football coaches. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 15, 2020 16:10:15 GMT -6
Some may, but keep in mind Bob, that your coaching experience (seemingly somewhat relaxed youth ball or other recreational football ) is vastly different than what the majority here coach. Considering the thread topic is about having "too many" coaches, why would anyone in that situation do something as seemingly inefficient as having the entire team do something at the same time in mass? Good point. Even when I went to high school, we had only about 4 football coaches. Even with 4 coaches, I can't think of a reason where all players are performing the same skill and all coaches are watching the group as a whole. That does not seem to be the most efficient or best practice. |
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