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Post by option1 on Sept 5, 2020 11:56:31 GMT -6
How do you tell them they are really bad? How do you tell them they're good without going over the top?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 12:30:44 GMT -6
Don’t.
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Post by DLgaDC on Sept 5, 2020 13:44:00 GMT -6
Tell them they aren’t good enough yet, then tell them how you, the other coaches and them are going to get there.
On the the other side it’s fine if you tell them they are good, but until that ring is on their finger that’s a bunch of yip-yap! Football is about doing not saying.
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 5, 2020 13:47:46 GMT -6
How do you tell them they are really bad? How do you tell them they're good without going over the top? I don't think you do either of those things. I think you concentrate on tangible criticisms and praise. I think that falls into the "growth mindset", but is far from all rosie and rainbows. Telling someone they are "bad" is abstract and can't really be corrected. It is also a relative description. Think how many "bad" football players are cut from the NFL to make it to the 53 man roster. Now how many of them were one of if not the "best" players that their respective HS players ever coached? The "Bad" players that Andy Reid coaches are some of the most phenomenal players in the history of their high schools. I think you instead point out concrete mistakes and flaws and provide a plan to improve them. I would be willing to bet a substantial chunk of change that "really bad" teams have weak squats, weak cleans, weak presses, high pad level, and a poor understanding of what working hard really is. Point those out and explain how those issues can be fixed. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 17:34:20 GMT -6
You want your kids to work. Either of those things kill the want to work. CHALLENGE THEM TO GET BETTER. Give them every chance to get better, and make it their choice. Keep your mouth shut about what you think of them, stink, good, or great. Keep that to the coaches office.
My boss never tells us what he thinks of the year’s team.
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Post by marzahl on Sept 6, 2020 7:53:39 GMT -6
How do you tell them they are really bad? How do you tell them they're good without going over the top? Is this a real question? |
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Post by option1 on Sept 6, 2020 9:24:34 GMT -6
How do you tell them they are really bad? How do you tell them they're good without going over the top? Is this a real question? Yes, and in the simplest of terms. Not so much a "how", but more of a what... I've been doing this 25 years and feel like I'm giving the same information over an over. |
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Post by aceback76 on Sept 6, 2020 9:36:20 GMT -6
Just constantly remind them of what John Wooden preached (nothing more, or nothing less) = “Success is peace of mind, which is a direct result of self-satisfaction in knowing you made the effort to become the best of which you are capable.”
Next - teach them the building blocks of Coach Wooden's "Pyramid of Success" (you can find it on Amazon.com):
The Pyramid of Success
The Pyramid of Success is a roadmap to successful behaviors. It was developed by Coach Wooden, who used the Pyramid to train and develop the UCLA men's basketball teams that won 10 NCAA Championships in 12 years (1964-1975).
In 1934, Wooden started by creating the “Definition of Success.” He continued with the development of the Pyramid to define how to achieve that success.
Coach Wooden worked on the Pyramid for 15 years, defining the 14 blocks of the Pyramid below the 15th, which was defined as Competitive Greatness.
Later Coach Wooden added "The Mortar," which are 10 blocks along the sides that hold the Pyramid together.
Today the Pyramid of Success is used by schools, teams, families, and corporations.
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 6, 2020 10:14:56 GMT -6
Just constantly remind them of what John Wooden preached (nothing more, or nothing less) = “Success is peace of mind, which is a direct result of self-satisfaction in knowing you made the effort to become the best of which you are capable.” Next - teach them the building blocks of Coach Wooden's "Pyramid of Success" (you can find it on Amazon.com): The Pyramid of Success The Pyramid of Success is a roadmap to successful behaviors. It was developed by Coach Wooden, who used the Pyramid to train and develop the UCLA men's basketball teams that won 10 NCAA Championships in 12 years (1964-1975). In 1934, Wooden started by creating the “Definition of Success.” He continued with the development of the Pyramid to define how to achieve that success. Coach Wooden worked on the Pyramid for 15 years, defining the 14 blocks of the Pyramid below the 15th, which was defined as Competitive Greatness. Later Coach Wooden added "The Mortar," which are 10 blocks along the sides that hold the Pyramid together. Today the Pyramid of Success is used by schools, teams, families, and corporations. Sam Gilbert and Illegal recruitment of players by UCLA had a lot more to do with those wins and titles than the graphic organizer you mentioned. Also, your beloved Bob Knight did not respect Wooden very much, must be tough for you to reconcile that |
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Post by aceback76 on Sept 6, 2020 10:44:30 GMT -6
Just constantly remind them of what John Wooden preached (nothing more, or nothing less) = “Success is peace of mind, which is a direct result of self-satisfaction in knowing you made the effort to become the best of which you are capable.” Next - teach them the building blocks of Coach Wooden's "Pyramid of Success" (you can find it on Amazon.com): The Pyramid of Success The Pyramid of Success is a roadmap to successful behaviors. It was developed by Coach Wooden, who used the Pyramid to train and develop the UCLA men's basketball teams that won 10 NCAA Championships in 12 years (1964-1975). In 1934, Wooden started by creating the “Definition of Success.” He continued with the development of the Pyramid to define how to achieve that success. Coach Wooden worked on the Pyramid for 15 years, defining the 14 blocks of the Pyramid below the 15th, which was defined as Competitive Greatness. Later Coach Wooden added "The Mortar," which are 10 blocks along the sides that hold the Pyramid together. Today the Pyramid of Success is used by schools, teams, families, and corporations. Sam Gilbert and Illegal recruitment of players by UCLA had a lot more to do with those wins and titles than the graphic organizer you mentioned. Also, your beloved Bob Knight did not respect Wooden very much, must be tough for you to reconcile that As usual, your post has NOTHING to do with the OP! As to Bobby Knight: I detect a LOT of jealousy from you: 1. Is YOUR net worth over 15 Million? Knight's IS. 2. Did ANYONE ever call YOU the best coach EVER in your sport (on your level)? Wooden said THAT of Knight! I'm sure the answer to BOTH of those questions is "why SH**T NO"!!! You shouldn't be critical of those who are CLEARLY SUPERIOR to you! Never forget what Knight said: "LOSERS WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND WINNERS". |
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 6, 2020 13:03:29 GMT -6
Sam Gilbert and Illegal recruitment of players by UCLA had a lot more to do with those wins and titles than the graphic organizer you mentioned. Also, your beloved Bob Knight did not respect Wooden very much, must be tough for you to reconcile that As usual, your post has NOTHING to do with the OP! As to Bobby Knight: I detect a LOT of jealousy from you: 1. Is YOUR net worth over 15 Million? Knight's IS. 2. Did ANYONE ever call YOU the best coach EVER in your sport (on your level)? Wooden said THAT of Knight! I'm sure the answer to BOTH of those questions is "why SH**T NO"!!! You shouldn't be critical of those who are CLEARLY SUPERIOR to you! Never forget what Knight said: "LOSERS WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND WINNERS". ? Jealous? How do you detect that? There was nothing derogatory towards Knight at all. It highlighted the fact that Bobby Knight stated publicly that he did not respect John Wooden's character and how Wooden won those championships with players who were illegally recruited. How is that critical of Knight? Sadly, you continue your streak of never seeming to understand what the hell is being said. |
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Post by Defcord on Sept 6, 2020 15:01:08 GMT -6
Just constantly remind them of what John Wooden preached (nothing more, or nothing less) = “Success is peace of mind, which is a direct result of self-satisfaction in knowing you made the effort to become the best of which you are capable.” Next - teach them the building blocks of Coach Wooden's "Pyramid of Success" (you can find it on Amazon.com): The Pyramid of Success The Pyramid of Success is a roadmap to successful behaviors. It was developed by Coach Wooden, who used the Pyramid to train and develop the UCLA men's basketball teams that won 10 NCAA Championships in 12 years (1964-1975). In 1934, Wooden started by creating the “Definition of Success.” He continued with the development of the Pyramid to define how to achieve that success. Coach Wooden worked on the Pyramid for 15 years, defining the 14 blocks of the Pyramid below the 15th, which was defined as Competitive Greatness. Later Coach Wooden added "The Mortar," which are 10 blocks along the sides that hold the Pyramid together. Today the Pyramid of Success is used by schools, teams, families, and corporations. Sam Gilbert and Illegal recruitment of players by UCLA had a lot more to do with those wins and titles than the graphic organizer you mentioned. Also, your beloved Bob Knight did not respect Wooden very much, must be tough for you to reconcile that I’m a Wooden fan. I understand that it’s pretty certain boosters were fueling recruiting efforts. I wonder if it was across the board. I know Bear Bryant said he knew his boosters were involved in illegal recruiting at A and M because he told them to match the competition. He said it never happened at Alabama though. I hate that aspect of it and the legacy it leaves behind. I still find a lot of value in John Wooden’s philosophies. I’m curious if he would have won as many national championships had Minnesota gotten in touch with him before he accepted the UCLA job. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 15:38:00 GMT -6
Sam Gilbert and Illegal recruitment of players by UCLA had a lot more to do with those wins and titles than the graphic organizer you mentioned. Also, your beloved Bob Knight did not respect Wooden very much, must be tough for you to reconcile that I’m a Wooden fan. I understand that it’s pretty certain boosters were fueling recruiting efforts. I wonder if it was across the board. I know Bear Bryant said he knew his boosters were involved in illegal recruiting at A and M because he told them to match the competition. He said it never happened at Alabama though. I hate that aspect of it and the legacy it leaves behind. I still find a lot of value in John Wooden’s philosophies. I’m curious if he would have won as many national championships had Minnesota gotten in touch with him before he accepted the UCLA job. Morality has a price. Everybody is skeletons in their closets. Let’s not pretend that one coach is somehow better than the next. |
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Post by fantom on Sept 6, 2020 17:36:34 GMT -6
Just constantly remind them of what John Wooden preached (nothing more, or nothing less) = “Success is peace of mind, which is a direct result of self-satisfaction in knowing you made the effort to become the best of which you are capable.” Next - teach them the building blocks of Coach Wooden's "Pyramid of Success" (you can find it on Amazon.com): The Pyramid of Success The Pyramid of Success is a roadmap to successful behaviors. It was developed by Coach Wooden, who used the Pyramid to train and develop the UCLA men's basketball teams that won 10 NCAA Championships in 12 years (1964-1975). In 1934, Wooden started by creating the “Definition of Success.” He continued with the development of the Pyramid to define how to achieve that success. Coach Wooden worked on the Pyramid for 15 years, defining the 14 blocks of the Pyramid below the 15th, which was defined as Competitive Greatness. Later Coach Wooden added "The Mortar," which are 10 blocks along the sides that hold the Pyramid together. Today the Pyramid of Success is used by schools, teams, families, and corporations. Sam Gilbert and Illegal recruitment of players by UCLA had a lot more to do with those wins and titles than the graphic organizer you mentioned. A lot of the coaches who Wooden was recruiting and coaching against were cheating as much or more. |
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Post by Down 'n Out on Sept 6, 2020 19:38:32 GMT -6
Focus on improvement.
You're really good, get better.
You're really bad, get better.
As a team and as individuals. Always try to get a little better.
My HC doesn't tell me "you try hard but you're just not a very good coach" or "you're a fantastic coach, just wanted you to know how great you are". He talks to me about things I can improve on and things we need to improve on as a staff
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Post by cqmiller on Sept 6, 2020 19:58:21 GMT -6
We try to focus on telling them what they are good AT or what we are not good AT... most of the time, the kids know. We don't have a single guy on our team that runs under a 5.0 second 40-yd dash. We don't say, "You guys are so slow..." or anything like that. But instead we talk about how we must take our proper steps, use our proper technique, and be smart because we aren't blessed with the speed to recover from going the wrong way on the 1st step.
I'm a firm believer that you shouldn't ever try to {censored} your kids because there are a few of them that will absolutely see right through it and their trust in your coaching staff will suffer because of it. Be honest without being degrading/mean or blowing sunshine up their rear-ends is what we try to do.
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Post by Defcord on Sept 6, 2020 20:29:03 GMT -6
I’m a Wooden fan. I understand that it’s pretty certain boosters were fueling recruiting efforts. I wonder if it was across the board. I know Bear Bryant said he knew his boosters were involved in illegal recruiting at A and M because he told them to match the competition. He said it never happened at Alabama though. I hate that aspect of it and the legacy it leaves behind. I still find a lot of value in John Wooden’s philosophies. I’m curious if he would have won as many national championships had Minnesota gotten in touch with him before he accepted the UCLA job. Morality has a price. Everybody is skeletons in their closets. Let’s not pretend that one coach is somehow better than the next. I agree with you to a certain degree. There are some real scumbags but overall most of em (us) are just normal dudes with real lives and experiences, good and bad. |
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