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Post by kylem56 on Aug 29, 2020 20:23:47 GMT -6
Hey coaches
Just curious, how many states out there had originally had their state association or government come out and say there will not be football or fall sports in 2020 and then had that decision reversed?
From my google research I found 3, with Pennsylvania being the most famous case...
I don't want to get into a debate on the merits behind each decision, just want to know how many out there were overturned and the impact that the ups and downs of those times have had on programs?
For all of you who began this weekend, congratulations! stay safe and keep it going
For those of you waiting to play, keep the faith and keep doing what you do
and for that dozen or so states who have had their fall cancelled, my prayers are with you. I coach in a state where our season has supposedly been moved to the spring but I live less than 20 minutes away in Ohio where they just finished week 1. It was not an easy Friday night but I am happy for all those who get to play/coach and pray you all remain healthy.
thanks again
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Post by wingtol on Aug 30, 2020 9:23:37 GMT -6
Not really true about PA. There was never a mandate from the governor or PIAA saying there would not be fall sports. It has been a wait and see type deal all summer. We were pushed back two weeks at one point but now are able to play a shortened season. Basically the governor did come out and say he dint think there should be any sports till January but never enforced that. The PIAA, our state association, kept kicking the can down the road and finally said yea we are going to have a fall season but it's up to local school districts to decide. Many places near Philly have shut down since that's the biggest hot spot in the state but out side of that everywhere else is good to go with football kicking off Sept 11th.
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Post by carookie on Aug 30, 2020 12:20:10 GMT -6
California has not overturned the original decision, but rather our governor continually moves the goal posts in an effort to keep schools closed. Just as some larger counties were on the precipice to begin to re-open schools he changes the requirements- allowing more small businesses to open, but keeping schools closed.
Our counties out here are physically larger than in most states, but all counties are judged as a whole. So a city can be kept closed based on how things are 80 miles away. As is, a county must have a daily new case rate of less than 7 per 100,000 for three straight weeks and a test positivity rate of under 8%.
Those numbers are extremely low, but are required to open up schools (actually elementary schools can open with waivers, but not HS). I can't feasibly see many places meeting those benchmarks by December, when athletics were supposed to start back up.
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Post by kylem56 on Aug 30, 2020 19:00:17 GMT -6
Not really true about PA. There was never a mandate from the governor or PIAA saying there would not be fall sports. It has been a wait and see type deal all summer. We were pushed back two weeks at one point but now are able to play a shortened season. Basically the governor did come out and say he dint think there should be any sports till January but never enforced that. The PIAA, our state association, kept kicking the can down the road and finally said yea we are going to have a fall season but it's up to local school districts to decide. Many places near Philly have shut down since that's the biggest hot spot in the state but out side of that everywhere else is good to go with football kicking off Sept 11th. ok my mistake. I was hoping there was some precedence out there for a "Hail Mary" on fall football in Michigan but it is what it is at this point. Tough time to be a high school student, especially a senior these days |
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Post by wingtol on Aug 30, 2020 19:50:45 GMT -6
Not really true about PA. There was never a mandate from the governor or PIAA saying there would not be fall sports. It has been a wait and see type deal all summer. We were pushed back two weeks at one point but now are able to play a shortened season. Basically the governor did come out and say he dint think there should be any sports till January but never enforced that. The PIAA, our state association, kept kicking the can down the road and finally said yea we are going to have a fall season but it's up to local school districts to decide. Many places near Philly have shut down since that's the biggest hot spot in the state but out side of that everywhere else is good to go with football kicking off Sept 11th. ok my mistake. I was hoping there was some precedence out there for a "Hail Mary" on fall football in Michigan but it is what it is at this point. Tough time to be a high school student, especially a senior these days They finally gave the okay last Friday for a season. We were the last state in the country to get a decision on fall sports. Talk about a stressful summer. |
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Post by fantom on Aug 30, 2020 21:16:23 GMT -6
ok my mistake. I was hoping there was some precedence out there for a "Hail Mary" on fall football in Michigan but it is what it is at this point. Tough time to be a high school student, especially a senior these days They finally gave the okay last Friday for a season. We were the last state in the country to get a decision on fall sports. Talk about a stressful summer. I think that there were parts of the state that had to change their plans. I believe that NEPA schools had planned to postpone until the PIAA opened up. |
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Post by fkaboneyard on Aug 31, 2020 12:07:19 GMT -6
California has not overturned the original decision, but rather our governor continually moves the goal posts in an effort to keep schools closed. Just as some larger counties were on the precipice to begin to re-open schools he changes the requirements- allowing more small businesses to open, but keeping schools closed. Our counties out here are physically larger than in most states, but all counties are judged as a whole. So a city can be kept closed based on how things are 80 miles away. As is, a county must have a daily new case rate of less than 7 per 100,000 for three straight weeks and a test positivity rate of under 8%. Those numbers are extremely low, but are required to open up schools (actually elementary schools can open with waivers, but not HS). I can't feasibly see many places meeting those benchmarks by December, when athletics were supposed to start back up.
Our governor is absolutely terrible. Especially now that the CDC has admitted that actual death rate is closer to 6%.
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Post by fantom on Aug 31, 2020 12:21:33 GMT -6
California has not overturned the original decision, but rather our governor continually moves the goal posts in an effort to keep schools closed. Just as some larger counties were on the precipice to begin to re-open schools he changes the requirements- allowing more small businesses to open, but keeping schools closed. Our counties out here are physically larger than in most states, but all counties are judged as a whole. So a city can be kept closed based on how things are 80 miles away. As is, a county must have a daily new case rate of less than 7 per 100,000 for three straight weeks and a test positivity rate of under 8%. Those numbers are extremely low, but are required to open up schools (actually elementary schools can open with waivers, but not HS). I can't feasibly see many places meeting those benchmarks by December, when athletics were supposed to start back up.
Our governor is absolutely terrible. Especially now that the CDC has admitted that actual death rate is closer to 6%.
That's not what they said at all. That's how it was interpreted by people who want to see it that way. |
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Post by coachjm on Sept 3, 2020 4:08:03 GMT -6
California has not overturned the original decision, but rather our governor continually moves the goal posts in an effort to keep schools closed. Just as some larger counties were on the precipice to begin to re-open schools he changes the requirements- allowing more small businesses to open, but keeping schools closed. Our counties out here are physically larger than in most states, but all counties are judged as a whole. So a city can be kept closed based on how things are 80 miles away. As is, a county must have a daily new case rate of less than 7 per 100,000 for three straight weeks and a test positivity rate of under 8%. Those numbers are extremely low, but are required to open up schools (actually elementary schools can open with waivers, but not HS). I can't feasibly see many places meeting those benchmarks by December, when athletics were supposed to start back up. The "Data" is all so fascinating to me... In our state (Michigan) the metrics are ever changing... I fully understand that as we learn more about this disease that the things that we look at should change. What has been disappointing to me is the number of times the metric that we have used to determine sports being played or not has been changed in the last 6 weeks, seemingly everytime we reach the "objective" there is a new standard. I guess that will make us a healthier state in some regards but it does make it seem as if the target we are trying to hit might now be impossible. I also find it interesting the numbers in comparison to your state (California).... We have been told our percent positive must be below 3% at one time this was just diagnostic testing, now it appears that we must be below that with both diagnostic and serology testing... We are currently at 3.1%..... At one point we needed also to be below 10 per 100,000.... Now the target is to be below 10 per million... Currently we are at 6 per 100,000 as a state. Other metrics have come and gone, my greatest concern at this point is the complete lack of faith in our levels of leadership by the people in our state. Frankly, I understand it when folks are encouraged to change their natural behaviors for a common good to reach a specific landmark like reducing the hospitalizations so we can provide adequate treatment to our sick (flatten the curve) to a whole new level. Ultimately, I have no idea what the right numbers are or at what point activity will ever be justified if the disease isn't eradicated or being influenced by outside political factors. There is never an end to being safer if that is the stance that we are working towards.... |
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Post by rsmith627 on Sept 3, 2020 4:44:05 GMT -6
California has not overturned the original decision, but rather our governor continually moves the goal posts in an effort to keep schools closed. Just as some larger counties were on the precipice to begin to re-open schools he changes the requirements- allowing more small businesses to open, but keeping schools closed. Our counties out here are physically larger than in most states, but all counties are judged as a whole. So a city can be kept closed based on how things are 80 miles away. As is, a county must have a daily new case rate of less than 7 per 100,000 for three straight weeks and a test positivity rate of under 8%. Those numbers are extremely low, but are required to open up schools (actually elementary schools can open with waivers, but not HS). I can't feasibly see many places meeting those benchmarks by December, when athletics were supposed to start back up.
Our governor is absolutely terrible. Especially now that the CDC has admitted that actual death rate is closer to 6%.
False. This perpetuation of fake information is why this thing is going to continue to keep places locked down. People take data and manipulate it. 180,000+ dead hasn't changed. All that changed was they're acknowledging that comorbidity may play a roll in death. Nothing surprising there. We already knew people with other ailments were at higher risk. My otherwise healthy wife had this in March, and it wasn't even as annoying as a cold for her. What it did do is wake up an autoimmune disorder we never knew she had, and now she's having a ton of issues. As far as school and interscholastic sports go, I think like most other things in society it's all about money. In this case, fear of lawsuits. When they open back up or allow play they're basically saying it's safe to do so. If a single kid gets sick and dies, and contact tracing points back to the school that district is likely going to face some litigation. In addition, myocarditis is a concern. Imagine developing a heart defect because you caught covid because your district told you everything is safe. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the decisions by districts, athletic governing bodies, governors, etc. I just think these are the things they're considering, and it's much more nuanced than "i WaNt My FoOtBaLl pLuS tHeE SeE-DeE-SeE aDmIt TwO LyInG." |
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Post by fkaboneyard on Sept 3, 2020 15:23:24 GMT -6
Our governor is absolutely terrible. Especially now that the CDC has admitted that actual death rate is closer to 6%.
That's not what they said at all. That's how it was interpreted by people who want to see it that way. They have essentially said that if you have don't have 2+ comorbidities that your chance of dying is 6%. And they really don't have any idea what the chances are that you'll catch it in the first place. The incidence of children without underlying health conditions dying from it is virtually zero. But our clown of a governor has placed significant restrictions such that most schools must be remote. The restrictions are going to be vastly more destructive to children than catching the actual virus. |
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Post by carookie on Sept 3, 2020 15:52:36 GMT -6
That's not what they said at all. That's how it was interpreted by people who want to see it that way. They have essentially said that if you have don't have 2+ comorbidities that your chance of dying is 6%. And they really don't have any idea what the chances are that you'll catch it in the first place. The incidence of children without underlying health conditions dying from it is virtually zero. But our clown of a governor has placed significant restrictions such that most schools must be remote. The restrictions are going to be vastly more destructive to children than catching the actual virus. You mis-wrote that, and you are expressing it as more deadly than what it is. Based on your writing, 6% of those who do not have comorbities and get the virus die. That would be insanely dangerous and lead to a massive death toll, (1.5 Mil if we were just looking at reported cases but upwards of 20 Million or so based on antibody testing. What the 6% study stated, was that of all those who died only 6% had no comorbities. Those who cite this use it to imply that Covid 19 is far less deadly than being reported. |
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Post by rsmith627 on Sept 4, 2020 2:51:21 GMT -6
Back to the task at hand, the MHSAA yesterday announced their decision to reverse their earlier decision to postpone. We will play ball this Fall.
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Post by kylem56 on Sept 4, 2020 9:32:33 GMT -6
Back to the task at hand, the MHSAA yesterday announced their decision to reverse their earlier decision to postpone. We will play ball this Fall. thats really a compliment to the MHSAA leadership and rep council who fought their asses off to make it happen. Not an easy gig for them |
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 5, 2020 11:13:29 GMT -6
That's not what they said at all. That's how it was interpreted by people who want to see it that way. They have essentially said that if you have don't have 2+ comorbidities that your chance of dying is 6%. And they really don't have any idea what the chances are that you'll catch it in the first place. The incidence of children without underlying health conditions dying from it is virtually zero. But our clown of a governor has placed significant restrictions such that most schools must be remote. The restrictions are going to be vastly more destructive to children than catching the actual virus. The restrictions are not just for individual health concerns and preventing children from catching a virus, but for public health issues and preventing transmissions. If you think about it, schools are one of the largest sites of large groups congregated for extended periods of time. So it seems to be a spot where transmission and spread to run rampant and grow in the community. So that, combined with : 1) a large portion of the American population do indeed with those health issues and 2) a small percentage of a large number is still a relatively large number means that it isn't as cut and dry as some think. It is much more complex and layered. Also keep in mind that it isn't just about death. My 35 year old principal with no underlying conditions still requires oxygen therapy and has already missed a few days because humidity made it to hard for her to leave the house. This is 8 or so weeks post "recovery". Who knows how this will affect her moving forward? That said the world can not bubblewrap itself either. |
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Post by irishdog on Sept 9, 2020 9:03:57 GMT -6
Michigan, and now Colorado reversing their initial decisions to change back from the spring to the fall. Hmmm. Interesting. Both "swing" states change their minds at the same time the President's polling has improved. Interesting. IMHO all this nonsense is POLITICAL NONSENSE. It's all about VOTES.
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Post by blb on Sept 9, 2020 14:36:26 GMT -6
Michigan, and now Colorado reversing their initial decisions to change back from the spring to the fall. Hmmm. Interesting. Both "swing" states change their minds at the same time the President's polling has improved. Interesting. IMHO all this nonsense is POLITICAL NONSENSE. It's all about VOTES. Colorado did NOT reverse course. They will not be playing HS football this fall. And as a former Michigan HS coach I can assure you the situation in our state was not "(political) nonsense" nor about votes. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 5:07:54 GMT -6
Michigan, and now Colorado reversing their initial decisions to change back from the spring to the fall. Hmmm. Interesting. Both "swing" states change their minds at the same time the President's polling has improved. Interesting. IMHO all this nonsense is POLITICAL NONSENSE. It's all about VOTES. Colorado did NOT reverse course. They will not be playing HS football this fall. And as a former Michigan HS coach I can assure you the situation in our state was not "(political) nonsense" nor about votes. you are dreaming if you think it’s not politics or votes in Michigan or any other state. Kemp will lose to your pick of genocidal leaders if he even thinks about cancelling the football. |
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Post by blb on Sept 10, 2020 5:46:14 GMT -6
Colorado did NOT reverse course. They will not be playing HS football this fall. And as a former Michigan HS coach I can assure you the situation in our state was not "(political) nonsense" nor about votes. you are dreaming if you think it’s not politics or votes in Michigan or any other state. Kemp will lose to your pick of genocidal leaders if he even thinks about cancelling the football. You have no idea what is going on in Michigan. Confine your ramblings to your state where you may have a clue. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 6:34:12 GMT -6
you are dreaming if you think it’s not politics or votes in Michigan or any other state. Kemp will lose to your pick of genocidal leaders if he even thinks about cancelling the football. You have no idea what is going on in Michigan. Confine your ramblings to your state where you may have a clue. it is all political |
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Post by somecoach on Sept 10, 2020 7:50:39 GMT -6
NY officially moved to Spring... however we are still allowed to practice during the Fall so long as we keep to protocol.
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Post by Coach.A on Sept 14, 2020 17:00:44 GMT -6
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Post by mrjvi on Sept 15, 2020 15:10:32 GMT -6
somecoach. I must have missed it but I'm from NY (upstate) and I haven't heard anything about being able to practice this fall even though the season is in spring. Is that a NYC allowance.
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Post by somecoach on Sept 15, 2020 19:34:38 GMT -6
somecoach. I must have missed it but I'm from NY (upstate) and I haven't heard anything about being able to practice this fall even though the season is in spring. Is that a NYC allowance. most likely coach... I could have sworn September 21st was on that sheet they sent out (check twitter) ... as for my league specifically rumor floated out that we may get a 7 on 7 flag season for fall. |
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Post by somecoach on Sept 17, 2020 8:00:21 GMT -6
Its official my (private) league has gone 7 on 7 flag ... will be competing inter-scholastically!
tbh soccer is going fullblast and contact wise flag isn't that far off...
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Post by coachjps on Sept 17, 2020 21:32:59 GMT -6
Colorado just approved Fall play after a cluster f. Starting practice next week.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 18, 2020 2:41:09 GMT -6
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Post by larrymoe on Sept 18, 2020 11:00:24 GMT -6
"I know that there are people who would like me simply to make a political decision to allow people to endanger themselves."- JB And yet, we still have legal Marijuana, alcohol, cigarettes, driving,... |
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Post by fantom on Sept 18, 2020 13:00:23 GMT -6
"I know that there are people who would like me simply to make a political decision to allow people to endanger themselves."- JB And yet, we still have legal Marijuana, alcohol, cigarettes, driving,... Unless you use those things in a reckless manner, which is illegal, they only endanger the user. That's not true with an infectious disease. |
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Post by larrymoe on Sept 18, 2020 13:09:14 GMT -6
"I know that there are people who would like me simply to make a political decision to allow people to endanger themselves."- JB And yet, we still have legal Marijuana, alcohol, cigarettes, driving,... Unless you use those things in a reckless manner, which is illegal, they only endanger the user. That's not true with an infectious disease. He distinctly said "allow people to endanger themselves". |
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