bobbyb
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Post by bobbyb on Jan 3, 2006 14:17:19 GMT -6
Does anyone have a good system for points for the decal awards.
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Post by saintrad on Jan 3, 2006 14:59:49 GMT -6
i personally do not believe in those since they single out an individual in a TEAM game.
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Post by aztec on Jan 3, 2006 15:02:32 GMT -6
We don't use them. We stress TEAM over and over again. Plus many times the OL and DB's don't get as many. I did like one college team or might have been HS that gave them out for academics and attendance.
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Post by sls on Jan 3, 2006 15:04:40 GMT -6
Most of ours deal with off season items. We give one helmet sticker for every 4 off season workouts that a player attends, going to team camp, reaching lifting goals, fundraising goals, and then for each team goal reached for a game.
I am constantly amazed at how much kids like helmet stickers.
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Post by mugz on Jan 3, 2006 15:24:52 GMT -6
We use them for Touchdowns, Tackles, pat/fgs, pancake blocks, ect.... We also hand them out for good grades on reports, quizes, tests, progress reports and report cards. That way Everyone ends up with a chance to get them not just the guys that play on Friday night. It works out great.
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Post by brophy on Jan 3, 2006 15:48:16 GMT -6
now I am no where near having the "right" way to do things....but
we attempted this again this year (on defense). I don't have a problem with it...but when it came down to it, we started analyzing it and talked ourselves out of doing it.
Originally, it was for big hit, sack, 5+ tackle, TD, Int, etc....but then, who's to say that interception wasn't a result of fantastic DL pressure? Or that sack wasn't because of great Secondary coverage....etc....so we started thinking about giving them out to EVERYONE that was on the field when that play happened.....then who's to say that the kids on the sideline who play scout team didn't contribute to the success (recognition) of the guys that WERE on the field....?
so we just played for shutouts....
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Post by sls on Jan 3, 2006 16:04:35 GMT -6
This was the first year I had used them. At the school I am now at, Football has really struggled. After I was hired some kids asked about them and I decided to use them. I need as much help as possible to get the kids excited about football. Like I said, I am amazed at how much kids loved them. The way that we did was about individual attendence and team goals. The only individual ones given out for the season was when a kid was reconized by the state association for having a big game. Our QB got 2 of these and I had a WR get 1.
I am going to keep doing it.
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Post by coachcalande on Jan 3, 2006 17:07:34 GMT -6
Incentives
1 sticker for every time a back gets tackled while faking oline = superman sticker for 250 yards rushing, additional for pancakes back= sticker for 100 yards rushing and 0 fumbles, additional for 30 yard runs, tds, pats dback= sticker for shut out of rec (we are a man to man team) defense= 1 sticker for every 3 tackles, one per sack, interception, fumble, "big play" or hard hit award. ..
just some that I have used...i can honestly say, it gets kids to practice because i have a rule, you have to be at practice following a game to get them...also i suggest practice stickers adn best sub stickers...stuff like that...make no mistake, the kids and parents LOVE THEM when they leave...i have kids buy their helmets and the parents take photos of them, the kids sometimes peel stickers off and paste them to their lockers...this gets kids out for football.
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Post by saintrad on Jan 3, 2006 18:07:17 GMT -6
i agree with you guys it gets kids out for football, but it also drives some very good players away ...especially when you preach TEAM TEAM TEAM and then individuals have more awards than others. Its just like names on the back of the jerseys, I do not like them since it brings attention to them. I prefer that the field pf play be where they bring notice to themselves. I also want the opposing team to look over and see a sea of sameness that works as one.
dont get me wrong, i think that stickers are fine, but i guess it was just soemthing that my HS HC never did so I dont see the need in them.
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Post by sls on Jan 3, 2006 18:33:07 GMT -6
saint, I used to say the same thing. I played in a very successful football program in HS. We did not use them and I looked at them with disdain, but I have leanred alot as I am attempting to build a program that has only won 28 games in 12 years. The system we used only awarded 2 kids with 3 extra helmet stickers. I awarded my kids for coming to off-season stuff. The first time my present school has ever had a summer program. The kids with the most helmet stickers did the most in the offseason, which helped the TEAM.
The selling of the helmets is also huge. For the first time in school history we had 5 seniors buy their helmets. Our AD was initially against it, but he soon realized that we were able to add 5 new helmets to the program and make $10 per helmet.
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Post by pegleg on Jan 3, 2006 20:03:43 GMT -6
we use these TEAM goals to award individual effort. these are offensive, we have similar charts for d and special teams.
1. win 2. score 1st series of each have 3. 200 yards passing 4. 150 yards rushing 5. 350 total 6. no more than 2 TOs 7. 8 explosives (+15 rushing, +20 pass) 8. no drive stopped by penalty 9. 90% red zone 10. no more than 1 sack per 20 attempts 11. 50% 3rd down ratio 12. 15 1st downs
then we say you most grade 75% and the team must get 7 of 12 goals for helmet stickers.
Holla
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Post by bigdaddyd on Jan 3, 2006 21:46:58 GMT -6
Funny you bring this up... My boys have been asking, if I will do this for next season, but I'm afraid this will just make them a bunch of individuals. I had problems this year with players being more concerned with their stats then in our opponent. The last thing I want to do is have them compete for stickers. Not to mention the Fatties always have the fewest stickers on their helmets, and there the ones bustin' there tails to block for the "skilled guys", who get tons of them by season end...
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Post by saintrad on Jan 3, 2006 22:56:38 GMT -6
if a player needs stickers to come out for football all that makes me do is question his committment even more. Is he there to look good in a uniform or is he playing for the love of the game?
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Post by saintrad on Jan 3, 2006 22:58:05 GMT -6
sls-
i like the concept of the off-season work but it is something that must be very well though out and have the consistency not waiver
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Post by coachcalande on Jan 4, 2006 6:08:29 GMT -6
"if a player needs stickers to come out for football all that makes me do is question his committment even more. Is he there to look good in a uniform or is he playing for the love of the game? "
Kids need praise and recognition...they are battling for social status and looking to fit in...its starts at a young age...the stickers are just a way to say "hey, im worth something". It can become the focal point of its not managed well...ie, i actually had kids go as far as reaching into my gym back to steal stickers from me... but I can tell ya this...the kids KNOW when they have earned stickers, they care...that means something to a coach who takes over a program who has had very few kids who care.
but you are correct, its got to be about alot more than just the stickers...the stickers dont seem to hurt.
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Post by sls on Jan 4, 2006 6:51:24 GMT -6
All I can tell you is that I used to be against them, but I have found in the last year that they really helped raise excitement about football. Was it just helmet stickers? No,it was new uni's, new colored helmets, more confidence in their appearance, more confidence in thier ability, and most importantly, the beginning of some success due to everything else I mentioned. I will continue to use them because they helped create excitement for football and I need that.
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Post by pegleg on Jan 4, 2006 7:07:38 GMT -6
the points about individualism is why we make the stickers team realated. if the team doesn't get the goals no player is eligible. kids must perform well individually, but the team must reach certan goals in order for anyone to get stickers. also, the big guys are eligible for just as many stickers as everyone else becasue the number of stickers are base on team goals not individual ones. if any player grades 75% AND the team reaches 7 goals, everyone who played 50% of plays gets the same number of stickers, = to the number of team goals obtained.
Holla
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bobbyb
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Post by bobbyb on Jan 4, 2006 9:16:26 GMT -6
Thanks for the replies. My main concern was having the ability to give the OL a fair shake cause thats were it all starts. In my opinion the commitment level the kids make to the program and investment of blood sweat and tears is what makes a group of individuals a team. I think you are rewarding with decals those that have done something special. If an OL get cranked up about getting a decal for a pancake I am all for that.
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Post by stewdog10 on Jan 4, 2006 10:30:41 GMT -6
We use the sticker for the helmets as rewards for best practice. They also can loose them at anytime for loafing in practice. Someone had talked about names on the back of the kids jerseys. We use them to award kids for coming to summer workouts. We have ruffly 25 workouts in the summer, if they make 20 they get their name on the back of their home jersey the first year. The second year they get it on their away jersey for making their required workouts. The next two years they must continue coming to summer workouts or their names will be taken off their jerseys. This system has really worked for us. Before we started this participation was about half during the summer now we almost have 100 percent participation.
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Post by sls on Jan 4, 2006 10:32:04 GMT -6
That is a great Idea with the names on the jersey's.
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Post by coachcalande on Jan 4, 2006 10:35:36 GMT -6
want to make linemen feel special...try "Beast of the week"...
run a direct snap play to the linemen that most deserves it....
--O-O-X-O-O-O-O -------------O-O-O ----------O
SNAP TO THE LINEMEN WHO IS IN DIRECT SNAP, 4 YARDS DEEP...RUN BLAST BEHIND THE HOARD OF BLOCKERS...THEY LOVE THAT....
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Post by stewdog10 on Jan 4, 2006 10:52:14 GMT -6
Luckily for us this year 20 out of 21 starters had their names on the back of their jerseys. I continualy make it a point to the kids on the sideline why these kids are starting b/c they have done the things to put them ahead of the others. The one starter that did not have his name on the back of his jersey was gone to his dads for the summer in another state. But he came back in unbeliveable shape. As a staff we did not award him his name on the back of his jersey because he did not workout with the team.
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Post by saintrad on Jan 4, 2006 12:09:11 GMT -6
i am looking at instituting what i call an 80% rule. It will include specific weight traingin gains/etc, fundraising activities, grades, attendance, and off season worjk-outs to name a few, in order for them the players to earn thier team logo stickers for their helmets. THe last thing they want ot be is a Varsity player without his team logo on the sides of his helmet.
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Post by sls on Jan 4, 2006 12:10:38 GMT -6
i am looking at instituting what i call an 80% rule. It will include specific weight traingin gains/etc, fundraising activities, grades, attendance, and off season worjk-outs to name a few, in order for them the players to earn thier team logo stickers for their helmets. THe last thing they want ot be is a Varsity player without his team logo on the sides of his helmet. that is a very good idea also!
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Post by splitricky5 on Jan 4, 2006 12:24:20 GMT -6
I don't think it kills the team concept if you do it the right way. Award team concepts. Anyone who is in on the line or as a back with a 200 yard rushing game gets a sticker. Things like that. I think that is just extra motivation. One school I was at, the underclassmen voluntarily gave their stickers to the older guys so they "looked cool." If the kids like them and understand that they are to award accomplishments within the family, why not?
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Post by stewdog10 on Jan 4, 2006 13:14:37 GMT -6
We reward our offensive lineman with pizza for lunch during lunchtime during the week when we rush for 200yds and win the game. Our lineman bust their butts for this reward. We also use that time when we are eating to bond by watching game film, in not such a strict environment.
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Post by mugz on Jan 4, 2006 18:32:29 GMT -6
Our DC came up with a great award for the D- linemen. He painted a spatula gold and each week he gave it to the lineman who had made a really good pancake block in a game. Sometimes their wouldnt be anyone who got it other weeks the same guy would earn it. During games the guys would see a pancake and they would all be yelling "SPATULA".
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Post by shortyardage on Jan 6, 2006 18:05:15 GMT -6
I've used a point system for the helmet stickers. Ten points earns the player a helmet sticker. Everything that we've coached in practice holds a point value in a game. For example, a third down conversion is worth so many points, be it a run or a pass. A reception is worth so many points. So if a receiver makes a reception AND converts the down on the same play, those point values are combined.
We also have points for the unsung heroes. Pass blocking for a specified period of time on a three step drop and five step drop, "stick and stay" on a run block, pancake block, each grade being worth X amount of points, etc.
We've had a point system for each area of the inseason program:Offense, defense, special teams, practices, etc.
Look at your program and what you emphasize. You get what you allow. Reinforce what you want and let unacceptable behavior and actions go extinct. I say do it, but know that the record keeping can be a real pain in the neck. Once you do it, you have to keep on doing it because the kids will become accustomed to getting their "helmet candy".
The assistant coaches should be the ones who keep track of the players in the positions that they coach. The head coach should keep track of the assistant coaches. Not only will something like this make the program better ( if done correctly) it will make the assistant coaches AND the head coach better because it will provide you with tangible evidence of what you are expecting out of your team, you will be rewarding what you want to see happen.
Other students like this too, we actually had more kids come out for the team because they saw that they could be a part of something that recognized them and their efforts, even if they didn't play in a position that regularly handled the ball.
Personally, I liked the life lesson that it reinforced; if you do well and work hard, you can do well for yourself.
While it's true, football is a team sport, motivation is a personal thing.
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Post by beatdown on Jan 6, 2006 19:14:43 GMT -6
I really don't have a set opinion on the helmet stickers. But, I have to wonder if figuring out who gets stickers takes away from weekend preperations. Plus, on some helmets they just look terrible, especially if the helmet is completely covered in them.
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Post by amikell on Jan 6, 2006 23:32:56 GMT -6
we give out helmet stickers for individual and team goals for offense and defense. as a player, they have to achieve 30 pts on O or on D to get a sticker. totals are only kept per off or def. i take down the defensive points as I am collecting the stats from the game film. it's pretty easy. it's also how we evaluate who is producing on d. next year we will do a better job of keeping points on offense. the players will get a certain amount of points for each task or goal they reach. We're an option team so the QB has to make correct reads. for RBs it's all about blocking AND rushing yards. For the OL, they get points for high grades on the game, and for knockdowns and pancakes. if my guard is downfield knocking down a corner he's getting a ton of points. we'll also reward for team goals. long story short, I understand everyone's point about it being a team game, but we need to create some buzz at the school to get kids out. I also think individuals should be rewarded as long as they don't place themselves above the team. I like the idea of taking away stickers. honestly, I want our helmets to look like ohio state's by the end of the year, full of stickers. We take them off and put them on a board to give the players at the end of season banquet. Whew!!! have I said enough? =)
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