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Post by vicvinegar on Aug 11, 2020 23:37:11 GMT -6
So I've coached varsity for several years now. However, everywhere that I have coached has been a two platoon program and I have coached on the defensive side of the ball. I would like to learn more about the offensive side of the ball. I was wondering what books some of you may suggest. Ideally, an offensive book for a first year coach. As always, thanks for any help!
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Post by coachklee on Aug 12, 2020 8:05:01 GMT -6
So I've coached varsity for several years now. However, everywhere that I have coached has been a two platoon program and I have coached on the defensive side of the ball. I would like to learn more about the offensive side of the ball. I was wondering what books some of you may suggest. Ideally, an offensive book for a first year coach. As always, thanks for any help! What offense? There are so many different flavors. As much as I’ve learned just coaching a bunch of OL as an assistant in some variation of a Veer / Triple Option offense for 16 out of the past 18 years, I also learned an incredible amount from being a DC & coaching against opponent’s offenses. I’ve made sure to go checkout offensive presentations at Glazier Clinics and obviously learned a decent amount from game planning against the offenses we’ve defended. Don’t have a specific offensive book to recommend, but have always enjoyed Coach Mac on YouTube who runs a Zone & RPO system: www.youtube.com/c/CoachMacI also have indirectly talked about offense on my channel: www.youtube.com/channel/UCpoc8xwLcqi-BYmGm6R6n2g)Especially in this video explaining what an offense is trying to do to be successful: There is also a ridiculous number & variety of content on Nick Bandstra’s channel: www.youtube.com/c/NicholasBandstraRecently started checking out Coach Kenny Simpson who runs a Gun Wing T system: www.youtube.com/channel/UCmRZhj9z3EO8qknuY0QV6BQ |
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Post by blb on Aug 12, 2020 8:15:49 GMT -6
Start with Football: Winning Offense (Sports Illustrated) by Bud Wilkinson. Can get it from amazon.com.
Then you can study specific offensive systems - beginning with the one your school runs.
Become an expert on that first.
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Post by coachscdub on Aug 12, 2020 12:40:58 GMT -6
There are alot of facebook groups about certain offenses that are good, the Run and Shoot 101 is good for obviously learning the run and shoot. there are some for option, air raid, general spread, etc. Those are good places to start imo, cause they're free and you can see if anything peaks your interests, plus guys in the groups are always willing to talk ball
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Post by bignose on Aug 12, 2020 13:52:39 GMT -6
So I've coached varsity for several years now. However, everywhere that I have coached has been a two platoon program and I have coached on the defensive side of the ball. I would like to learn more about the offensive side of the ball. I was wondering what books some of you may suggest. Ideally, an offensive book for a first year coach. As always, thanks for any help! Before suggesting any books ask yourself this question: As a defensive coach, what scheme or system gave me the most trouble to stop? You might want to start there. If you had trouble stopping it, the odds are other teams will too. Then branch out as you gain more experience and pick a system that best matches your philosophy and personnel. |
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Post by famar on Aug 12, 2020 14:51:13 GMT -6
So I've coached varsity for several years now. However, everywhere that I have coached has been a two platoon program and I have coached on the defensive side of the ball. I would like to learn more about the offensive side of the ball. I was wondering what books some of you may suggest. Ideally, an offensive book for a first year coach. As always, thanks for any help! Why not start with your own coaching staff? I'm sure they would be willing to teach you their system. |
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Post by aceback76 on Aug 12, 2020 14:59:31 GMT -6
So I've coached varsity for several years now. However, everywhere that I have coached has been a two platoon program and I have coached on the defensive side of the ball. I would like to learn more about the offensive side of the ball. I was wondering what books some of you may suggest. Ideally, an offensive book for a first year coach. As always, thanks for any help! Why not start with your own coaching staff? I'm sure they would be willing to teach you their system. Amen! If you still need book(s) = check this site (wide selection): www.mcssl.com/store/jerrycampbellfootball |
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Post by coachlit on Aug 12, 2020 15:05:10 GMT -6
Speaking of books, I’m still looking for The Assembly Line for a reasonable price..
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 12, 2020 15:16:42 GMT -6
I'm confused to the question as IMO to be a successful DC you have to understand what an offense is trying to do to be able to stop it. I feel like you probably know a great deal more than you give yourself credit for.
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Post by vicvinegar on Aug 12, 2020 18:05:46 GMT -6
I'm confused to the question as IMO to be a successful DC you have to understand what an offense is trying to do to be able to stop it. I feel like you probably know a great deal more than you give yourself credit for. Unfortunately, I'm still not a DC yet, BUT I'd say you are probably right. I'm not completely ignorant when it comes to offensive schemes. I would just like to have a better understanding and I feel like the best way to do that (right now) is reading a book that builds from the ground up. As far as learning from our staff, I agree with others that this is a great way to learn. I just feel like this would be best to do during the off-season. We meet in some way 7 days a week. Coaches break down film from every practice, so even when we leave practice, we are not done. I just don't want to bug the O guys with the season starting next week. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2020 18:08:14 GMT -6
JMO, so dont lose your minds, but a lot of what you are looking for is there for free, and you dont have to ask for it either. If you want to learn an offense, that imo is entirely different. But if you want to learn offensive football, its right there in front of you...IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2020 18:13:30 GMT -6
I'm confused to the question as IMO to be a successful DC you have to understand what an offense is trying to do to be able to stop it. I feel like you probably know a great deal more than you give yourself credit for. Larrymoe, Just because I have a title does not mean I know squat. I can put any number of X number of college and NFL players on a black board with many people on here, and the people on here would win hands down. And many of these guys fabulous position coaches. Mostly because they do it the way they were taught. But ask em about power, zone, gap schemes? Not gonna happen. |
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 12, 2020 18:52:29 GMT -6
I'm confused to the question as IMO to be a successful DC you have to understand what an offense is trying to do to be able to stop it. I feel like you probably know a great deal more than you give yourself credit for. Larrymoe, Just because I have a title does not mean I know squat. I can put any number of X number of college and NFL players on a black board with many people on here, and the people on here would win hands down. And many of these guys fabulous position coaches. Mostly because they do it the way they were taught. But ask em about power, zone, gap schemes? Not gonna happen. Blackboard arguments are the dumbest thing in the history of proving dick size. |
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Post by macdiiddy on Aug 12, 2020 19:07:29 GMT -6
One way, is to sit in an offense of meetings. I’m sure you guys don’t always meet at the same time. Even it's Sunday install type thing. Talk to the coach. Tell him you just want to soak in a little bit more of the offense and continue to learn. I’m sure They would be more than happy to let you sit in their staff meetings. And maybe even eventually give some input from the defensive side.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2020 19:29:28 GMT -6
Larrymoe, Just because I have a title does not mean I know squat. I can put any number of X number of college and NFL players on a black board with many people on here, and the people on here would win hands down. And many of these guys fabulous position coaches. Mostly because they do it the way they were taught. But ask em about power, zone, gap schemes? Not gonna happen. Blackboard arguments are the dumbest thing in the history of proving dick size. Absolutely. But my point being they dont know football. |
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 12, 2020 22:06:14 GMT -6
Blackboard arguments are the dumbest thing in the history of proving dick size. Absolutely. But my point being they dont know football. Being good on a blackboard has nothing to do with knowing what you're doing or how to coach. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2020 23:57:29 GMT -6
Absolutely. But my point being they dont know football. Being good on a blackboard has nothing to do with knowing what you're doing or how to coach. Completely agree. |
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Post by coachchambers on Sept 28, 2020 21:01:52 GMT -6
So I've coached varsity for several years now. However, everywhere that I have coached has been a two platoon program and I have coached on the defensive side of the ball. I would like to learn more about the offensive side of the ball. I was wondering what books some of you may suggest. Ideally, an offensive book for a first year coach. As always, thanks for any help! What offense? There are so many different flavors. As much as I’ve learned just coaching a bunch of OL as an assistant in some variation of a Veer / Triple Option offense for 16 out of the past 18 years, I also learned an incredible amount from being a DC & coaching against opponent’s offenses. I’ve made sure to go checkout offensive presentations at Glazier Clinics and obviously learned a decent amount from game planning against the offenses we’ve defended. Don’t have a specific offensive book to recommend, but have always enjoyed Coach Mac on YouTube who runs a Zone & RPO system: www.youtube.com/c/CoachMacI also have indirectly talked about offense on my channel: www.youtube.com/channel/UCpoc8xwLcqi-BYmGm6R6n2g)Especially in this video explaining what an offense is trying to do to be successful: There is also a ridiculous number & variety of content on Nick Bandstra’s channel: www.youtube.com/c/NicholasBandstraRecently started checking out Coach Kenny Simpson who runs a Gun Wing T system: www.youtube.com/channel/UCmRZhj9z3EO8qknuY0QV6BQCannot recommend Kenny Simpson enough! I'm not of the thought train that coaches should go buy a playbook, but if I were to ever suggest one, it would most likely be his. |
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Post by realdawg on Sept 29, 2020 6:19:05 GMT -6
If you've coached D for a while then you have seen and know something about almost every style of offense. Pick the one you think fits you best and dig into it and learn the nuts and bolts. I always thought, to defend the wing T, flexbone, spread, whatever, you had to know what they were trying to do and once you know that you can really begin to start to understand that type of offense.
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Post by somecoach on Sept 30, 2020 9:37:01 GMT -6
Coach Mac is the MAN when it comes to learning modern spread offense stuff...
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