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Post by playfast on Jul 23, 2007 8:38:52 GMT -6
Hey Fellas,
I have stern rules in my program concerning drugs and alcohol but I have come across a major problem.
A 16 year old sophmore was picked up last week with drugs. Obviously because he is a minor his name did not appear in the paper. It is well known through out the team, school, and community what happened.
This year I have a new principal. In my meeting with her I discussed the penalty for the student athlete (which I was notified by the resource officer which player it was).
Here's the twist she comes back and says because he is a minor his records are sealed and no one should know his name or the charge and I am breaking confidentiality. He is allowed to play with no consequence because we should of never of found out since it was not on school watch or time. She also finishes it up stating that I am not to hold anything against the child.
Okay, I have been here for over seven years and have strict rules concerning the football team. I have dismissed players for missing practices and games and for all kinds of crazy things. My school is going through change and I may be on the way out!!
I went from no teaching to teaching three classes this coming year and the baseball coach got my schedule of hall duty and cafeteria duty. We have a good solid team this year and are certainly building this up as a two year run.
Any suggestions with dealing with the player and team??? Meeting with super later this week.
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Post by brophy on Jul 23, 2007 9:05:07 GMT -6
I went from no teaching to teaching three classes this coming year and the baseball coach got my schedule of hall duty and cafeteria duty. If you don't mind me asking.........what does this have to do with anything? |
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Post by airraider on Jul 23, 2007 9:12:55 GMT -6
Dang Brophy!! No wonder no one likes you.. oh wait.. thats me..
It has everything to do with being undermined by the administration.
But, there is little you can do, because I believe the law of privacy has the upper hand here..
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Post by warrior53 on Jul 23, 2007 9:25:59 GMT -6
You are in trouble. I don't know where you are from, but in Texas that is a bad deal. Can you stand it for the two years you are going to be good? If you can, stick it out. If you can't handle the new direction, get out.
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Post by fbdoc on Jul 23, 2007 9:54:51 GMT -6
If everyone knows about then the kid needs to come clean in front of the team so the confidentiality issue becomes moot. Hopefully the supt. will back you up.
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Post by oldcap8 on Jul 23, 2007 10:31:40 GMT -6
Ask the kid did he get picked-up for poccession, if he says yes, and he wants to play football, he runs everyday after practice. Because he broke team rules, if he wants to play, pay the price. If the principal asks what's up tell her, he admitted it to you and he owes it to the team...As far as the teaching go, stuck it out as long as you can...or until you find another HC job...Good Luck
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 23, 2007 11:51:39 GMT -6
Are you seriously complaining that you have to teach THREE whole classes a day?
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Post by justwingit on Jul 23, 2007 12:34:43 GMT -6
 I haven't taught three classes in a day in years - pace yourself -- if you teach every hour of every day they'll get to expecting that stuff all the time! One good lesson every principal evaluation and you're set! weeeeeee
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Post by coach79 on Jul 23, 2007 12:54:56 GMT -6
I like what oldcap8 said, have him pay the price.
If the Admin. won't back you up then allow him on the team, but sit him, run him and run him some more.
Has he been in trouble before? if so tell him you have to meet such and such requirements before you can play in a game. grades, attendance, additude, and such and such.
If it's ok have him stand in front of the team, tell them what he did, apologize and whatever else you can have him say.
just my $.03
-Brett
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Post by mcdade on Jul 23, 2007 15:22:19 GMT -6
I would think the student will be assigned AEP or something to start school. Can he play while he is assigned there?
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Post by brownspit on Jul 23, 2007 19:37:17 GMT -6
Hey Fellas, I have stern rules in my program concerning drugs and alcohol but I have come across a major problem. A 16 year old sophmore was picked up last week with drugs. Obviously because he is a minor his name did not appear in the paper. It is well known through out the team, school, and community what happened. This year I have a new principal. In my meeting with her I discussed the penalty for the student athlete (which I was notified by the resource officer which player it was). Here's the twist she comes back and says because he is a minor his records are sealed and no one should know his name or the charge and I am breaking confidentiality. He is allowed to play with no consequence because we should of never of found out since it was not on school watch or time. She also finishes it up stating that I am not to hold anything against the child. Okay, I have been here for over seven years and have strict rules concerning the football team. I have dismissed players for missing practices and games and for all kinds of crazy things. My school is going through change and I may be on the way out!! I went from no teaching to teaching three classes this coming year and the baseball coach got my schedule of hall duty and cafeteria duty. We have a good solid team this year and are certainly building this up as a two year run. Any suggestions with dealing with the player and team??? Meeting with super later this week. say you suspend him for "a violation of team rules", and when the principal asks which rules, can you tell her "hes a minor, its confidential"? your other players wont care about legal loopholes, they will care about consistent leadership. i find it very hard to believe you cant do anything here. i might be wrong, but isnt the intent of the law is to shield the minor because the minor is still in the ward of their parents or legal guardians? i think the law is in place to prevent further embarassment for a kid who may or may not be ready to live in society as an accountable citizen. now with that being said, we all know its a coaches job to lead that kid to a level where he can achieve that responsibility. and if you cant use the situation as an example, then it would be awfully difficult to be an effective coach. if youre a football coach, and cannot discipline a player for violating an ideal that the team is built on, then you cannot feasibly prepare the player for life after school. i dont know exactly what legal reasoning is going on here, but im sure if you wanted to get a good lawyer, you could win somehow. but thats not practical. i would say do one of three things: 1. suspend him anyway, and call the paper and leak out the story. public pressure would protect you, but youd piss off el jefe. 2. call the parents and tell them to suspend him, but if the team doesnt perceive that youre doing it yourself, you might lose credibility. football isnt a right, i cant believe that the law protects the kid from being disciplined by his parents. 3. suspend him for something minor. everyone will know whats going on, but whatever. it could be the easiest too - unless he is perfect when he shows up on your time, im sure you can find something tyrannical to do. i think the most important thing is credibility, and teaching him to be accountable. i dont think the intent of the law is to prevent the education of minors by teaching them how to squirm through legal loopholes. the aclu might have a different opinion, but thats another discussion. its between discipline and the leadership of the team, or losing that. id go with the first option. if the kid and the parents try to do everything to play, i have no idea what to say. |
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Post by CVBears on Jul 23, 2007 23:49:30 GMT -6
If the parents "report it" to you, confidentiality is out the window. Give a phone call to "see how everything is going." You cannot control what parents tell you.
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I haven't taught three classes in a day in years - pace yourself -- if you teach every hour of every day they'll get to expecting that stuff all the time! One good lesson every principal evaluation and you're set! weeeeeee
