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Post by gunandrun on May 17, 2007 10:03:45 GMT -6
Coaches I am tired of selling myself on the deep gun.
Looking to network with guys that run the deep gun 4 or five wide as their base offense.
Effective?
How hard of a sell was it?
How does your DC feel when he knows you are a pass firsr team?
Tons of questions
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Post by airitout616 on May 17, 2007 15:19:04 GMT -6
Hey coach I would love talking further on this topic PM if you would. Sounds ALOT what i want to do.
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Post by lionhart on May 17, 2007 17:03:52 GMT -6
gun and run..... id also like to discuss the rifle with you. if you can... pm me. thanks
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Post by lochness on May 18, 2007 8:01:56 GMT -6
Why would you "PM" when you can discuss it here on the board and educate the rest of us?
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Post by airraider on May 18, 2007 8:29:45 GMT -6
I would like to be a little deeper, but with running the speed and load option, jet sweep, and bubble screen.. I dont want to get too deep. But we are right between 6 and 7 yards deep.
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Post by coachhortman on May 20, 2007 12:33:46 GMT -6
Down here in Shreveport, we had the most success when we had our QB's in a nine yard shotgun. It was very successful for us. A couple reasons why, being so deep it was very hard for the rush to get to our QB, has a automatic second just from being that deep, if you have just so so linemen, you add anywhere from another second to 2 seconds and if you have great linemen , add 4 seconds. John David Booty and Brock Berlin were two of the best I have ever seen using the 9 yard shotgun. You have to have a strong armed QB to do it, now with our jr high QB last year, he was 7 to 9 yards and just tore up defenses. The other reason is it gives time to your receivers to get open.
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Post by gunandrun on May 20, 2007 14:40:44 GMT -6
Coach Hortman,
Sounds right up our alley?
Did you two platoon?
Did you practice together?
Did you have A back runs lie Evangel?
How did you keep things simple?
Our reasons include lack size and strength (not by lack of effort on my part) - however, I do have most of the players involved in a sport year round. In addition, I can get kids in great condition over the summer. I figure playing a lot of kids that canrun and pursue as well as stretching the field will make the game a conditioning battle as well.
What is your philosophy in installation more options in play selection or mastry of a select concepts?
How does your DC feel about your choice in offense?
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Post by briangilbert on May 20, 2007 18:38:41 GMT -6
If your QB is going to be 9 yards deep how effective can your running game be?
Do teams just drop 9 against you?
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Post by coachhortman on May 20, 2007 19:20:34 GMT -6
I am going to answer both threads in this one post, anytime someone has a question about our offense, feel free to email me either at coachhortman@bellsouth.net or coachhortman@coachhuey.com. We do 2 platoon our kids as much as possible. We have found it does wonders for our kids getting rest and being able to hand 4 quarters of football better. Every now and then we play a kid two ways when it just makes sense that he is a difference maker such as Jacob Hester whom plays for LSU now played RB and LB. We are fortunate to have 4 practice fields on our property plus our game field. The offense and defense practice at the same time on different fields for the most part. The other two fields are for our jr high and elementary teams. We do come together in a lot of 7 on 7 for our timing to get down plus practice our coverages. Depending on the formation, we can run out of that deep shotgun with one back or two. There are times that we will cheat the QB up to where te RB's are even with him for our running game to take place. Shovel passes, direct snaps to the RB, quick passes, draws are all part of the deep shotgun. Our offensive coordinator that started the school, came up with a simple way of discussing offense for our QB and receivers. Say that we are in a 2 by 2 set, our receivers are L, T, Y, and R, Left TO YOUR RIGHT. That is how we describe our receivers, for instance, Tomahawk 9,2,2, 9 descibes a play. All of our offensive personnel wear a armband so we just tell the QB a number, he says it in the huddle, the kids look down at the play, the linemen look at the number to see what kind of blocking they do on this play. Tomahawk describes the formation, L runs a fly, T runs a 10 and out, Y runs a 10 and out, and R runs a fly. Simple!!, We have 9 basic numbered routes with some variations. Our kids lift year around, we have a great strength coach whom doubles as our DC this year. They run in the offseason and most particpate in track or baseball. A few do all three sports in playing basketball in the winter. We play 7 on 7 all summer long with our skillies against other teams and go to 3 major tourneys in the summer against other folks. Personally, I like concepts, get a few done well and the rest will take care of itself but it can be done both ways, I have seen our OC have over 70 to 80 plays on a sheet with very few reps because there are literally hundreds of routes that can be ran froma variety of formations such as trips, quads, double tight with two backs etc. Our DC loves our style of play, we can be very explosive on offense which allows the defense to be able to play with different schemes in mind, he has a chance to "experiment " some. Our defense though the years has been just as good as our offense but the offense gets the ink. In answer to the other post, yes we have seen teams drop 8 or 9 against us which with our blessing in quarterbacks though the years, has just torn a team up. When they drop that many, our running game just takes off. We have had very good backs though the years with Hester, Detric James, Jelani Lewis, and Cederrick Tyson and Billy Barefield. It is not as easy to defend against us as one would believe even though it has been done by teams such as SLC (Dallas), De Le Salle (CA),, Lufkin (TX), John Curtis (LA), Longview (TX) and West Monroe (LA).
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