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Post by airman on Feb 22, 2006 21:23:46 GMT -6
I know many coaches may not think this is "bush league" but I do: I can't stand coaches at the high school level who teach chop blocking for pass protection. I know it's legal, but it's dangerous! We lost two starting D tackles in one game because of it! To me, coaches who teach chop blocking teach it because they don't know how to teach pass protection. Anyone else have a problem with chop blocking? chop blocking is illegal. a chop block is when two offensive players engage a defensive player in a hi/lo combo. chop blocks are illegal at all levels. the 49ers used to be the king of chopblocks even after the nfl changed the rule. the 49ers would engage high, then back out so the low guy could chop him. the free blocking zone where clipping is legal, is then only place were a cut block can occur under fed rules. I have no problem with the cut block. it is hard for the defense to tackle some one when they are on the ground. I know a good many option teams who cut block as well. i do not like it for pass protection because if you wiff, the dline can now get to the qb. I know some use it on the 3 step game. |
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Post by knighter on Feb 22, 2006 21:55:30 GMT -6
airman, not calling you out on this, but does it not depend on which of the blocks occurs first? was told that once somewhere, and have heard officials explain it that way...we do not teach it as it is dangerous as hell. at times they happen with a backside shoeshine block and a C blocking backside, they may end up inadvertantly (sp?) hitting same guy...we try to teach them to know when to do what, but sometimes my kids are as retarded as me! lol
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Post by airman on Feb 23, 2006 12:25:21 GMT -6
airman, not calling you out on this, but does it not depend on which of the blocks occurs first? was told that once somewhere, and have heard officials explain it that way...we do not teach it as it is dangerous as hell. at times they happen with a backside shoeshine block and a C blocking backside, they may end up inadvertantly (sp?) hitting same guy...we try to teach them to know when to do what, but sometimes my kids are as retarded as me! lol once the ball leaves the freeblocking zone via a snap or the qb move the ball out of the zone, you can call clipping. some officals will call clipping when the ball is shotgun snapped as the ball has left the freeblocking zone. a chop block is illegal all the time. you can double team a guy, but both blocks have to be waist high or above. |
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Post by knighter on Feb 23, 2006 12:34:06 GMT -6
gotcha, thanks for clarification...
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Post by shermdog on Feb 24, 2006 12:34:23 GMT -6
When I was in college our equipment guru, had our gloves match the opponents jerseys.
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Post by fort on Feb 24, 2006 19:26:09 GMT -6
Isn't that part of the reason the NCAA went to grey gloves only?
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Post by wingman on Feb 25, 2006 21:45:27 GMT -6
'Chop blocking ' is not legal. Chop Blocking is having a 2nd man from the outside take out a defender who is standing and locked up with a blocker. One high in the front and the 2nd man low from the side. It's not only c.s. but unethical. Anyone who coaches a technique almost guaranteed to blow out knees on a teenage football player should be shot. If you think chop blocking is just cutting the man in front of you, nothing wrong with that.
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Post by newballcoach on Feb 25, 2006 23:47:09 GMT -6
It's not a football story but I will tell it anyway. I work with the basketball team at our high school as well (small Northern Ontario school) and we finished first in the league. In the semi-finals, playing a team we had trounced earlier, we got treated to a 1930's slowdown offence. Our province has no shot clock. They were passing the bowl around at the half court line constantly. We managed to win by 10 but I thought my associate was going to blow a gasket at the crappy coaching job by the other side.
Frankly while I understand the motivation of a lot of the behaviour listed here, we need to think about why we are doing this? To help the kids? Most likely not, and if you're a high school coach, there should be no other thought that enters your head IMO. (Mind you I'm not trying to feed a family)
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Post by phantom on Feb 26, 2006 11:19:10 GMT -6
I guess I feel about this the way I felt about cut blocking. What's wrong with it? It's legal so how is it bush-league? You said that you hammered them earlier so what was the other guy supposed to do, get hammered again?
Dean Smith used to say that he hated the four-corners offense. It was legal, though, and he felt that as a coach he had an obligation to do anything within the rules to give his team a better chance to win.
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Post by airman on Feb 27, 2006 20:57:21 GMT -6
It's not a football story but I will tell it anyway. I work with the basketball team at our high school as well (small Northern Ontario school) and we finished first in the league. In the semi-finals, playing a team we had trounced earlier, we got treated to a 1930's slowdown offence. Our province has no shot clock. They were passing the bowl around at the half court line constantly. We managed to win by 10 but I thought my associate was going to blow a gasket at the crappy coaching job by the other side. Frankly while I understand the motivation of a lot of the behaviour listed here, we need to think about why we are doing this? To help the kids? Most likely not, and if you're a high school coach, there should be no other thought that enters your head IMO. (Mind you I'm not trying to feed a family) i do not see how this is bush league. I personally believe in slow down basketball. spread the court just like princeton did under pete carrill. if the defense says in a zone you start poping 3's and they come out. this coach did what he needed to do in order to level the playing field. in football, spread the field and hurry up the pace in basket ball, spread the court, slow down the pace. I have a freind who is a head h.s. basketball coach and he is always asking for a shot clock because every year he faces this one team which runs the princeton spread and every year my friend loses to them in the season and in the playoffs. |
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Post by airman on Feb 27, 2006 20:58:29 GMT -6
Isn't that part of the reason the NCAA went to grey gloves only? line man were doing this so they could not see them holding. |
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Post by shermdog on Feb 27, 2006 22:02:09 GMT -6
Isn't that part of the reason the NCAA went to grey gloves only? Yes it is. Had a bunch of funny colored gloves for spring practice. |
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Post by shermdog on Feb 27, 2006 22:06:21 GMT -6
Isn't that part of the reason the NCAA went to grey gloves only? line man were doing this so they could not see them holding. At the time, Neumann only had white and black. We then went to white only. Said it matched our pants. good at home, stunk on the road. I like the grey better, I think you can hide your hands better. My opiniion. |
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