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Post by beatdown on Feb 20, 2006 9:34:45 GMT -6
Hey all, what are some of the most bush leauge crap ya'll have ran into?
Stuff I've seen was a school had the visitor press box coaches and camera on the visitor side, and on the field (with a very high crown) the numbers were only on the home side. Also seen film were a play or two was intentionally cut from the trading film (we caught it because we do down & distance tendacies). Also know of a staff who mailed a fake gameplan to a coach at their up coming opponents school (the coach used to work at the school in question).
I don't think it's bush leauge or cheap, but back when I played one school warmed up at their High School and bused to the game like 5 minutes prior to kickoff. Would you consider the cheap?
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Post by thurman on Feb 20, 2006 10:23:59 GMT -6
I used to coach with a guy who told me about a time when they were playing a very tough team at home. So the night before they went out and poured several bags of sugar all up and down the visiting sideline.. During the game the ants were everywhere.. I think this is borderline insane.. lol..
We had a team who switched their jersey's every game.. So we would have game planned for #11 who was their best receiver.. and now he was wearing #18 and they put him in the slot.. Or they had another kid who was rumored to have gotten hurt.. He was #81.. there was no #81 during pregame.. But somehow #2 had gotten a lot taller.. I guess its just good strategy...
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Post by thurman on Feb 20, 2006 10:26:21 GMT -6
Our old HC also left the sprinklers on all day one time because we were playing a team who was way faster than we were. They still killed us..
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Post by tog on Feb 20, 2006 10:29:42 GMT -6
I like the sugar one. Insane yet funny.
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Post by brophy on Feb 20, 2006 10:29:52 GMT -6
We've played against a particular team that COACHED;
1) faking injuries to allow their coaches to 'coach up' / determine presnap coverages (with a injury on-the-field timeout)
2) faking injuries to slow the game down
3) when a big play breaks on their defense, they teach their players to get in front of offensive players and fall down (to draw a clipping penalty).
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Post by tog on Feb 20, 2006 10:30:05 GMT -6
don't think I would do it, but sure know some guys that would
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Post by bigdaddyd on Feb 20, 2006 10:41:56 GMT -6
Former player (of one of our opponents) told me, there coach has all the RB's put Vaseline on their jersey's and pants B4 a game.
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Post by tog on Feb 20, 2006 10:43:38 GMT -6
we had our ol coach in college spray silicon on our shoulder pads for pass rush purposes
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Post by brophy on Feb 20, 2006 10:44:10 GMT -6
I used to coach with a guy who told me about a time when they were playing a very tough team at home. So the night before they went out and poured several bags of sugar all up and down the visiting sideline.. During the game the ants were everywhere.. I think this is borderline insane.. lol..
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Post by lochness on Feb 20, 2006 10:45:15 GMT -6
Fortunately, there is none of that going on in our league. We have a pretty tight group of coaches, and even the bitter rivalries are built on respect.
Different topic (and I know there is another thread out here addressing it), but it's the cheap "running up the score" stuff that I really don't appreciate. Kicking onside kicks when you are up by 28 in the 3rd quarter. Going for 2 up by 4 or 5 TD's...that kind of thing is really bad.
We had a team when I was playing do the "warm up at home and get off the bus 5 min before kickoff" thing that you mentioned. We lost 21-14 in OT. That was my sophomore year. My senior year, we played them again and they ran out THROUGH us while we were stretching and warming up. We won 10-7, and then beat them that same year in the playoffs 36-6. So, the two times they tried the "intimidation tactics," it was close. When they didn't try it, we beat them soundly. I don't know if there's any correlation there...but oh well.
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Post by thurman on Feb 20, 2006 11:14:13 GMT -6
Some other things..
I believe it was... Maybe Hayden Fry.. Who painted the visiting locker room pink..
I used to know a RB coach who would teach his RB's to grab their own face mask when surrounded by more than 2 tacklers.
"heard" about.. remember heard.. cannot confirm this.. But heard about a guy in South Louisiana.. well there weightroom was right next door to the visiter's locker room.. Well there was a sound system in the weightroom.. He got one of his coaches to rig up a microphone from the home locker room to feed into the weightroom speakers.. This guy was famouse as a rah rah guy.. And he went in there and gave one of those fire and brimstone speeches and had his players going crazy.. All of this was being blasted in the very next room from the visiting locker room.. So they heard all of it.. The home team went on to pull off a major upset by several points.
I guy I used to coach for had coached against Evangel for a few years.. He said the worst part is Evangel either doesnt, or didnt have a visistor's lockeroom.. So they would house the visitors in the weightroom.. Well when you walk in.. they have all these pictures of their players blown up breaking the weightlifting records from the years before.. So you are the OT who weighs 220lbs with a 230lbs bench.. and you see their All American DE that you are about to have to block up on the wall Bench Pressing over 400lbs.. Doesnt do a lot for your confidence.. He said they seemed to lost to them before they even got dressed..
We have a similar effect at our school.. No where near as intimidating.. but we are housed in a building built back in the late 30's.. so the building is a bit scary in itself.. And when you walk through.. we have plaques with every player who went on to play college football back since around the 50's.. there are somewhere in the neighborhood of 40 helmet plaques.. So it does give the notion that we are deep with football tradition.. the only problem.. the newest Helmet is dated 1999.. lol.. We did have 1 sign last year.. and 3 this year.. Before them.. the school was 1-9, 5-6, 5-6, and 0-10.. Not too many college players on those kinds of teams..
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Post by brophy on Feb 20, 2006 11:17:49 GMT -6
Had a cross-town rival that has their "cheer squad" funded by the boosters...who have a HUGE computer driven sound system they bring with them.
I've seen several games where they would play their music during the game (coincidently, while the opponent was on offense).....they have tried it against us, but we must've complained loud enough to the officials......
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2006 11:32:43 GMT -6
Lot of film stuff. We played an out of state team that we knew nothing about. We had a gentlemen's agreement to send film. We sent them our first 2 games, they sent us film from 2 years before under a different offense, defense, and head coach. It made me mad when I prepped for Wing-t all week and got shotgun 4/5 wide.
When I was a G.A. we had to send film to our opponent 3 weeks prior. I got all the film one week with the game playing backwards from the take a knee at the beginning of the film and ending with the coin toss.
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Post by wildcat on Feb 20, 2006 11:38:54 GMT -6
Lot of film stuff. We played an out of state team that we knew nothing about. We had a gentlemen's agreement to send film. We sent them our first 2 games, they sent us film from 2 years before under a different offense, defense, and head coach. It made me mad when I prepped for Wing-t all week and got shotgun 4/5 wide. When I was a G.A. we had to send film to our opponent 3 weeks prior. I got all the film one week with the game playing backwards from the take a knee at the beginning of the film and ending with the coin toss. There are some coaches in my neck of the woods who are NOTORIOUS for pulling crap like that. We get film from the sidelines, from the endzone, extreme closeups where you can't see the formation and often the tape is clearly 5th generation or so! I really wish that either we had a no-exchange rule or that there was some standard of tape exchange that had to be adhered to.
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Post by herky on Feb 20, 2006 11:42:42 GMT -6
1) faking injuries to allow their coaches to 'coach up' / determine presnap coverages (with a injury on-the-field timeout) 2) faking injuries to slow the game down I hated that crap!!
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Post by bigdaddyd on Feb 20, 2006 11:43:38 GMT -6
we had our ol coach in college spray silicon on our shoulder pads for pass rush purposes lol...Hey Tog, How many quarters did it last?
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Post by runtheball86 on Feb 20, 2006 12:57:46 GMT -6
Lost to a team last year 63-20 ... they scored on their first five touches ... after the 4th and 5th and 6th scores they onsided ... they recovered all three ... asked the coach after the game and he said they didnt want to let us return the ball and get bck into the game.
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Post by airman on Feb 20, 2006 16:19:05 GMT -6
Hey all, what are some of the most bush leauge crap ya'll have ran into? Stuff I've seen was a school had the visitor press box coaches and camera on the visitor side, and on the field (with a very high crown) the numbers were only on the home side. Also seen film were a play or two was intentionally cut from the trading film (we caught it because we do down & distance tendacies). Also know of a staff who mailed a fake gameplan to a coach at their up coming opponents school (the coach used to work at the school in question). I don't think it's bush leauge or cheap, but back when I played one school warmed up at their High School and bused to the game like 5 minutes prior to kickoff. Would you consider the cheap? there are two towns in my area 8 miles apart. needless to say they are rivals in everything. from h.s sports to their respective town baseball teams. well about 25yrs ago, one team stopped at a church half way, did there warmups and got back on the bus. got to the game, players ran off the bus, coin was flipped and then they kicked off. needless to say people were wondering if the team was ever going to show up. lets just say, I have seen both team go for it on 4th down and 1 inside the 5yd line with seconds remaining on the clock and they are winning, just to score another td on the other team.
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Post by cc on Feb 20, 2006 16:29:45 GMT -6
Had other team show up in dark jerseys even though we had the home game.
I still say it was to screw up our pass attack (we had black, they had dark blue).
But the refs said play on as their gold helmets and pants were different enough from our yellow helmet and black pants to tell us apart.
I dunno....our qb threw several picks and the video was hard to breakdown.
But we won 21-0 so whatever...
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Post by bucksweepdotcom on Feb 20, 2006 16:54:48 GMT -6
Legendary Long Island football coach great motivator and always looking for the edge during a game. during the 1960's had a big game vs. rival HS. Used the "Show Late" strategy to get the other team thinking. 5 Minutes before the kick-off. The bus is driving down the street to arrive at the school. One block form the school the RR gates close in front of the bus. With the packed stadium watching the the HC coach empties the bus as the entire team sprints across the RR tracks for the field. The team hops the fence to get on the field in front of the coach. As the team is running onto the field they hear screams of "HELP,HELP,HELP!!!" When the team turns around they see their coach hanging from his whistle that has caught on the top of the fence. Mind you the entire stadium is watching this happen!!
Great story especially when you it from an 85 year old coach that has seen everything in HS football.
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Post by beatdown on Feb 20, 2006 17:56:24 GMT -6
We had a team when I was playing do the "warm up at home and get off the bus 5 min before kickoff" thing that you mentioned. We lost 21-14 in OT. That was my sophomore year. My senior year, we played them again and they ran out THROUGH us while we were stretching and warming up. We won 10-7, and then beat them that same year in the playoffs 36-6. So, the two times they tried the "intimidation tactics," it was close. When they didn't try it, we beat them soundly. I don't know if there's any correlation there...but oh well. With the team I was refering to I really don't think that was a bush leauge tactic, their fieldhouse and practice field were/are at the high school. The home facilities at the stadium weren't the best in the world. Then again they were the same team that only had the numbers on their side. Heard, repeat heard, about a team that during pregames would charge the 50 yardline to try to intimidate their opponents. Well, the guy I heard it from said he had his team meet them at the 50, and proceeded to beat them like a red headed step child. Volunteered on a staff who in the first few games of the year (when kickoff tempratures reach into the high 80s) turn the heater on in the visitor locker room the day before the game. Could be worse, he could have taken a dump in there and not flushed it.
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Post by airman on Feb 21, 2006 12:57:22 GMT -6
i remember in high school if it was a close road trip we dressed at home and traveled in our pads. we then returned home to shower.
we were lucky as our furthest road trip was 40 miles, the rest were 6 to 13 miles.
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Post by bulldog on Feb 22, 2006 2:15:31 GMT -6
One coach we play shoots 2 films. The one from the press box that he uses, and the one filmed from the first row of the stands that he sends as a trade tape.
This same coach was up on us by 4 scores a few years ago and he threw an option pass for another score with less than 3 minutes to go (first team still in the game). Then went for 2. After our HC called and left him like 6 messages the week before the game - none of which were returned - he claimed that we refused to trade film as a reason for running-up the score.
There is the 'Murph rule' which was started by frustration and consists of sending your own filmers to shoot your next opponent.
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Post by voslos on Feb 22, 2006 5:14:33 GMT -6
I'm sure you guys have gotten film where there just happens to be certain plays missing. When following the score board during the film it isn't hard to tell that the plays missing just so happened to be touchdowns that were scored. how weird huh?
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Post by tog on Feb 22, 2006 6:02:59 GMT -6
we had our ol coach in college spray silicon on our shoulder pads for pass rush purposes lol...Hey Tog, How many quarters did it last? don't know, I think it was more for us mentally than anything else I would paint the visiting locker room pink if I could.
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Post by knighter on Feb 22, 2006 6:51:00 GMT -6
Can't resist. One coach we play (aka TOG) has his hot wife stripping on behind our sidelines when we play, very distracting to our players and coaches.)
Note- We really don't play TOG's team, and I am sure Herky keeps her Hawkeye gear on at all games. She saves the stripping for TOG himself. Okay, enough clowining around, do not want to get scolded!
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Post by tog on Feb 22, 2006 6:54:58 GMT -6
I have seen some interesting things on a sideline before to "distract" the other team.
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Post by knighter on Feb 22, 2006 8:16:44 GMT -6
TOG if we ever coach together maybe we could our wives to do it in tandem...now that would be distracting (add bubble bath and a tub)...LOL
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Post by rooster on Feb 22, 2006 10:56:14 GMT -6
I know many coaches may not think this is "bush league" but I do: I can't stand coaches at the high school level who teach chop blocking for pass protection. I know it's legal, but it's dangerous! We lost two starting D tackles in one game because of it! To me, coaches who teach chop blocking teach it because they don't know how to teach pass protection.
Anyone else have a problem with chop blocking?
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Post by oguru on Feb 22, 2006 20:14:35 GMT -6
Chop Blocking is legal,and therefore I see nothing wrong with it. If it's legal you gotta be ready for it.
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