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Post by wildcat on Oct 28, 2007 20:20:31 GMT -6
From profootballtalk.com:
POSTED 9:53 p.m. EDT, October 28, 2007
GODFREY BLASTS BELICHICK
Tom Curran of NBCSports.com reports that Redskins linebacker Randall Godfrey is upset with the manner in which the Patriots continued to pour it on while comfortably ahead of the Redskins on Sunday.
"I said something to [Belichick] after the game," Godfrey told Curran. "I told him, 'You need to show some respect for the game.' You just don't do that. I don't care how bad it is. You're up 35 and you're still throwing deep? That's no respect.
"You look at all the great head coaches . . . I'm just disappointed," he said. "You gotta show some class, show some respect. Joe Gibbs? We wouldn't have done that. Bill Walsh? You wouldn't see those types of guys doing that stuff. I've never seen nothing like that. Most teams, you get up like that you sit on the ball and try to run the time out. They're up 30-some points and they're throwing deep. That was blatant disrespect. I hope we can see them again, definitely. You don't see Joe Gibbs doing that. You can't even imagine that kind of stuff coming from him. Joe Gibbs. Bill Walsh. Bill Parcells. This isn't like college going for power rankings. This is the pros you show some respect, show some class."
But Belichick made no excuses for his team's reputation for pouring it on in a Friday interview with Curran.
"I've been coaching too long," Belichick said. "I remember being on that side. When I was coaching defense it was my job to keep the score down, not theirs. When you're playing defense it's your job to stop them. It's not [the offense's] job to not score. It's like I tell the offense, what the [bleep] do you think I send you guys out there for? To punt? We have a punt team for that. That's not your job. Your job is to go out there and score points. If you come off the field and you haven't scored points you haven't done your job."
We still think there's a line, somewhere. And though we don't know precisely where it is, we think it was crossed on Sunday.
I agree with Belichick...I think he hit the nail on the head. In the NFL, every team has the more or less the same resources, so there should not be any expectation to ease off am opponent.
In fact, I think that it is absolutely ridiculous that Washington got owned as badly as they did...simply no excuse for a professional football team to be as bad as Washington was today...
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Post by brophy on Oct 28, 2007 20:37:16 GMT -6
Randall Godfrey is STILL playing?!? He has to be 80 years old by now.
I agree with Belichick
Also, PFT is a trash site run by (I think) football-man-hating lawyers.
they have proclaimed to "have the scoop" on Pete Carroll returning to the NFL for the last 3 years.....
While the rumors are nice at times (reporting stuff many writers wouldn't touch), they are also the perfect example of "THE CRITIC"
A guy who knows the price of everything and the VALUE of nothing.
Always berating athletes and coaches in the game.
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Post by vassdiddy on Oct 28, 2007 22:08:58 GMT -6
I have communicated with Florio on numerous occasions. He's a good dude who broke the Randy Moss to Oakland trade, the Chad Johnson fight, Tomlin to Pittsburgh, and has had the most comprehensive coverage on the Vick story (just to name a few). He is actually a former ESPN writer that got sick of the suck stuff that they offer.
When it first started off, it was a lot more off the mark. However, as his visibility has increased, he has been right on more often than not. The story he said about Carroll was true - Huizenga visited Carroll on vacation to talk to him. This was confirmed by one of his readers who found this site to track private airplanes' registered number.
He has some stuff that is a little over the top, but his sources are a lot of league sources that are in high up positions.
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 29, 2007 6:07:37 GMT -6
first one to a hundred wins.
NOw, am I surprised that a guy whos got a rep like coach b would try to drive a few more nails in the coffin? heck no. Big deal. The Heisman trophy is named after a guy who coached a 222-0 game at the college level.
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Post by wingt74 on Oct 29, 2007 6:10:41 GMT -6
Geez, it's the NFL, where the Houston Oilers had a 35 point lead and blew it.
What a whiner. Take it like a man. This isn't Youth Football.
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Post by lochness on Oct 29, 2007 6:11:19 GMT -6
HAHA...New England rules...!
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Post by tedseay on Oct 29, 2007 7:21:49 GMT -6
HAHA...New England rules...! They're lookin' wicked good.  Indy will be an interesting game. |
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Post by coachveer on Oct 29, 2007 9:55:56 GMT -6
New England makes it real easy for me to be a Colts fan.
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Post by spreadattack on Oct 29, 2007 10:09:50 GMT -6
It's the NFL! This isn't the sisters of the poor. The Houston Oilers point somebody made is good.
It tells you how good you are when people criticize you running up the score like you're in Spurrier's heyday. The rule is that if you're playing an overmatched team at some NON-PROFESSIONAL level then yes, put your subs in. Let them play but put the subs in.
But this rule does not apply for big time matchups (like when Spurrier used to crush Tennessee by 40), because those Tenn teams still had lots of NFL guys on the roster, and it NEVER APPLIES in the NFL.
The check on that kind of behavior is if you are too willy nilly/aggressive with the football that you turn it over and can lose your lead. That's it. Not "respect for the game."
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Post by optionguy on Oct 29, 2007 10:19:15 GMT -6
No matter what level of play, it is your responsibility, as a coach, to keep the other team from scoring. With that said, it is also your responsibility to win with class. If my 2nd and 3rd teamers are in the game with us up by 20+ points, I'm going to let them play. However, if I know that I have the game won, I will call plays that will let my back-ups showcase their talents, but I'll take a knee or punt as is appropriate. In other words, I won't rub it in--I have had that happen to me, and the payback was sweet, although I shouldn't take pleasure in returning the favor!
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Post by eickst on Oct 29, 2007 10:46:28 GMT -6
I'm sorry but there is no such thing as running the score up in the NFL.
Personally, up 30 something to nothing I would make some changes and get my key starters off of the field and get some backups some good game time reps, but if an NFL coach pours it on, who cares?
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 29, 2007 11:03:28 GMT -6
Key point to remember, the NFL doesn't have enough players to really play "the second team" in whole sale situations.
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Post by dubber on Oct 29, 2007 12:57:24 GMT -6
Maybe he should asked Gibbs to ask the officals for a running clock  |
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Post by eickst on Oct 29, 2007 13:34:32 GMT -6
On Sportscenter this morning Joe Gibbs said "I have no problem with anything that happened in the game." Shut up Godfrey. WOW! If I was the coach on the receiving end of that massacre I would have had several problems. Namely my own offense, my own defense, and my own special teams! |
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Post by vassdiddy on Oct 29, 2007 14:33:58 GMT -6
I think BB is making a statement about the whole cheating thing.
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Post by eickst on Oct 29, 2007 15:14:42 GMT -6
I think BB is making a statement about the whole cheating thing. You mean "Shady Brady" and "Bill Belicheat"? Who says they aren't still cheating? |
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Post by brophy on Oct 29, 2007 16:14:15 GMT -6
it makes great headlines for SportsCenter to spend a full hour gassbagging on how the Patriots are dirty. However, I hope anyone complaining about the Patriots PERFORMING aren't the same people 1) complaining about the 'wussification of America' 2) complaining about how worthless pre-season games are (you want to see the starters play? Well, its the regular season and these guys are PLAYING!!) let the insanity ensue Mike Wilbon of the Washington Post (whom we like) has openly advocated taking out Tom's kneecaps during a Monday chat session.
The question was as follows: "I can understand Bill Belichick's desire to crush every team in the NFL, but why keep your franchise QB in there to do it? One cheap shot helmet to the knee and it's goodbye Super Bowl unless [Matt] Cassell suddenly gets good."
Says Wilbon in response: "You're absolutely right. And if I was on the opposing team, I'd hit Tom Brady with everything I had as late as I could and take the penalty and join the fight that would surely follow. Football is a violent game and there's got to be somebody out there sharpening his fan[g]s for the Patriots Golden Boy in the 4th quarter one of these weeks
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Post by triploption on Oct 29, 2007 17:09:49 GMT -6
The only problem I have with what happened on Sunday, was playing the starters as long as he did. There are knucklehead players like Godfrey out there that will look to take out a knee or looking for the big shot. The Patriots have turned into the most hated team with Darth Vader at the helm. I wouldnt chance my season with the game well in hand by leaving Brady in there. If they lose Brady, although they would still be better than most, it would definitely kill their chances at a ring. Brady is just throwing darts.....Dont mess with a good thing.
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Post by fort on Oct 29, 2007 18:49:58 GMT -6
As a Skins fan, I was hoping karma would come back to the Pats in the 4th (not dissimilar to Wilbon's line of thought). I think it's BS to do what the Pats did. Brady throwing deep to Moss in the 4th, up 40-something to nothing. Belichick needs to eat a helmet on the sidelines if he pulls that ish again.
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Post by brophy on Oct 29, 2007 19:02:02 GMT -6
so, its okay for your team to suck, so long as you don't get embarassed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2007 19:32:18 GMT -6
All the people criticizing the Pats bothers me a lot more than what the Pats did. Did anyone see Steve Young's rant on the ESPN pregame show? That was just flat out embarrassing, not what the Pats did. Washington has paid professional athletes as well. Step up and stop someone.
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Post by wildcat on Oct 29, 2007 20:24:35 GMT -6
For those of you guys who are P.O.'d about this...why do you think that so many guys take HUGE paycuts to go to NE to play for Belichick?
Belichick is not responsible for making Joe Gibbs or Randall Godfrey look good. His responsibility, a job that he is paid extremely well for and is one of the toughest, most high-profile, and demanding occupations in the world, is to take care of the New England Patriots. Period. End of story.
The thing about it is that, aside from Godfrey, I haven't heard ANY of the Redskins, Joe Gibbs included, complain about anything other than the way they played. Gibbs is a true professional and his post game comments reflect that. When asked about the score after the game, Gibbs complimented the Patriots and said he had no problem with the score. Good for Joe Gibbs. He knows the reason the score was 52-7 had nothing to do with the fact that Bill Belichick is a p r i c k. It had everything to do with the fact that his team played like complete crap-ola.
Now, if I was in Bill Belichick's position, I would have handled it differently but that is probably a BIG reason that I am not in Bill Belichick's position...His desire, his preparation, his commitment to his players and his leadership that has created one of the greatest teams in league history is awe-inspiring.
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Post by Yash on Oct 29, 2007 20:50:03 GMT -6
Bellichecks job to put points on the board, Gibbs job to keep them off the board. Everyone is collecting a paycheck. They weren't disrespecting the game, they were just playing football. If this was a D1 school beating up a D3 school that they paid to have a game, thats a different story, but everyone one of these players gets a paycheck. I have no problem of a team running up the score in the NFL. If you want to risk getting your star players hurt, thats your choice, to the team getting beat, do something about it. Instead of complaining to the media that they wouldn't lay off, how about making a tackle or covering someone.
I"m not for running up the score on a lesser team at lower levels, but in the NFL, anyone can beat anyone, any week. Quit complaining start playing.
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Post by khalfie on Oct 29, 2007 21:24:45 GMT -6
There's this thing called professional etiquette...
You can agree or disagree with it, but it exists in all sports...
Baseball... you don't steal, when your up late...
Boxing... you look to the ref to stop the fight, before you finish him...
Basketball... sit the starters and run clock...
FOOTBALL... you run the ball, to run the clock, and you don't go for it on 4th down, no matter how short it may be.
Now, you can not do these things, but understand what it means, when you don't follow the agreed upon etiquette... it means its now personal... and when personal feelings get mixed up in business situations... then reason no longer rules the day.
Hence Wilbon is right... QB's get slammed late... linemen get high lowed... late hits become more rampant...
If you are fine with those consequences, then by all means, put your arbitrary 70+ on your opponent... karma is a wonderful thing!
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Post by Yash on Oct 29, 2007 21:30:38 GMT -6
Those things will happen, and you as a coach hopefully know those things that you are exposing your team to that. That is the risk you decide to take.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 29, 2007 22:12:42 GMT -6
Now, you can not do these things, but understand what it means, when you don't follow the agreed upon etiquette... What agreed upon etiquette? Perhaps Bill missed that meeting. At the NFL, no feelings are at stake..it isn't like h.s. or pee wee or even college to some extent. At the NFL you run the ball when up to run the clock and clinch the win. That is the reason, not because of some etiquette. If the coach feels he has a better shot at running the clock and sealing the win by throwing..so be it. |
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 30, 2007 6:34:18 GMT -6
look, the colts and pats could very well end up with the same record and need some type of tie breaker to determine who gets home field advantage, i dont blame coach B for trying to score...score away, first one to a hundred wins.
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Post by brophy on Oct 30, 2007 11:40:21 GMT -6
look, the colts and pats could very well end up with the same record and need some type of tie breaker to determine who gets home field advantage I don't know the NFL too well, but technically, wouldn't that be HEAD-TO-HEAD record? They play each other this weekend......
If two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical records, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.
Two Clubs 1. Head-to-head (games between the clubs). 2. Best won-lost percentage in games played within the division. 3. Best won-lost percentage in common games. 4. Best won-lost- percentage in games played within the conference. 5. Strength of victory. 6. Strength of schedule. 7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed. 8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed. 9. Best net points in common games. 10. Best net points in all games. 11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 30, 2007 12:27:52 GMT -6
head to head is one tie breaker I think, there are others. additionally, they could end up tied with other teams ie pitt...never know.
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Post by wildcat on Oct 30, 2007 18:37:37 GMT -6
I think that MOST of us in this thread agree that Godfrey's comments were completely out of line and the only people who should have the finger pointed at them for the final score is the Washington players and coaches.
With that being said, was it smart coaching on Belichick's part to leave Brady in? If Brady was hurt late in the 2nd Half after the game was clearly in hand, would this discussion be different?
I don't have a problem with Belichick allowing his offense to score 52 points...what I DO have a problem with is exposing the franchise's #1 asset to an injury in a game that was over.
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