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Post by Coach Goodnight on Nov 22, 2007 10:54:22 GMT -6
I am working on putting together a program manual and have gotten some stuff from some coaches on here... There were 2 questions asked that I would like to see where you guys stand on these.
1. For your players is football fun or work? Why? explain
2. What do you want your players to be when they leave your program?
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Post by cmow5 on Nov 22, 2007 11:31:20 GMT -6
1. Hard work will = Fun
2. I would like my players to be better people then when they started. I had a coach once tell me everyday be the best you can be the best son you can, be the best student you can, be the best Friend you can be, and in general just be the best you can. You my not be the best, but you can be the best you can.
Just mt thoughts
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Post by wccoach on Nov 22, 2007 21:07:25 GMT -6
1. The definition of "fun" is what gets coaches into trouble sometimes. Our program was all about making football "fun" and the HC just got fired after a 0-10 season. I guess the alumni did not have any "fun" watching the team having "fun" this year. I do not buy into the "fun" stuff when it comes to Varsity football. Competitive sports is about "satisfaction". Football gives young men an outlet to "satisfy" the instinctual need to test themselves in a challenging physical endeavor. I think that we cheat our youth by replacing a sense of satisfaction from a job well done with the "fun" theory. Competitive sports are only fun when your team plays to their potential and satisfies their competitive instincts. Does that make any sense to anybody but me?!?
2. I hope our players can leave the program with the ability to work through the difficult issues they will face in the future. I use the lessons of competition and mental toughness that I learned on the football field everyday. Football has allowed me to succeed in a very competitive industry and I hope that we can change our program back from a "just have fun" team to a group of young men that will not be satisfied with anything but their best effort. I want our players to be the competitive leaders that our community so badly need.
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Post by PSS on Nov 22, 2007 21:23:23 GMT -6
1. The definition of "fun" is what gets coaches into trouble sometimes. Our program was all about making football "fun" and the HC just got fired after a 0-10 season. I guess the alumni did not have any "fun" watching the team having "fun" this year. I do not buy into the "fun" stuff when it comes to Varsity football. Competitive sports is about "satisfaction". Football gives young men an outlet to "satisfy" the instinctual need to test themselves in a challenging physical endeavor. I think that we cheat our youth by replacing a sense of satisfaction from a job well done with the "fun" theory. Competitive sports are only fun when your team plays to their potential and satisfies their competitive instincts. Does that make any sense to anybody but me?!? 2. I hope our players can leave the program with the ability to work through the difficult issues they will face in the future. I use the lessons of competition and mental toughness that I learned on the football field everyday. Football has allowed me to succeed in a very competitive industry and I hope that we can change our program back from a "just have fun" team to a group of young men that will not be satisfied with anything but their best effort. I want our players to be the competitive leaders that our community so badly need. That is pretty well put. #1 You are teaching young men to compete in a sport that is in my opinion the most competitive sport played. Teaching them to compete on a high level will enable to compete in life, in the job market, and to be able to handle victory and accept defeat. #2 Overcoming adversity on a daily basis. Not everything will always go right in your life. We must teach young men how to handle the hardships that come along and to overcome them. These are lifelong lessons that they will carry for ever. #3 Teamwork. Placing TEAM before me is something we stress daily. Again a life lesson. In order for any organization to be successful every person in that organization must work together as a unit or TEAM. Our motto just like a lot of yours is "Big TEAM, little me". I basically just restated what wccoach posted. But again, when it comes down to it, we can't afford to make it "fun" for several reasons. The main 2 are: 1. We are letting our Athletes down in teaching them more than football 2. When it comes down to it, our jobs depend on the success of the teams we coach. |
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Post by ajreaper on Nov 22, 2007 22:02:13 GMT -6
Can a team play to it's potential and still be 0-10? Does having fun mean you don't work hard? Does it mean you don't put the time in you should? Does it have to mean low expectations and under performing? When did having "fun" become a bad thing or automatically have a negative meaning associated with it? As hard as players work, as much time as they put in to it, as much as they sacrifice why shouldn't they have fun? If it's not fun why even play?
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Post by PSS on Nov 22, 2007 22:38:32 GMT -6
Can a team play to it's potential and still be 0-10? Does having fun mean you don't work hard? Does it mean you don't put the time in you should? Does it have to mean low expectations and under performing? When did having "fun" become a bad thing or automatically have a negative meaning associated with it? As hard as players work, as much time as they put in to it, as much as they sacrifice why shouldn't they have fun? If it's not fun why even play? The fun comes from being successful after working your rear-end off and winning. After sacrificing all that time and energy into practice, running drills, plays, conditioning, etc; time after time. And yes success comes from discipline. Doing things right all the time not just some of the time. You jack around in practice you're more than likely going to miss an assignment sometime in the game because you weren't paying attention. You were having too much "fun" in practice. IMO, practice is a time to prepare for the upcoming opponent. Working to improve your skills, implementing the gameplan, and also mentally focusing on your assignment (preparing to play in your mind). A great example is this past week. We did not do a good job of mentally preparing our players for a playoff game, they were too loose in practice. Thus, we got beat because of blown assignments. I can tell you it is a lot of fun on a bus ride home after a win. |
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Post by fbdoc on Nov 22, 2007 22:41:08 GMT -6
This came up in another thread. FOOTBALL IS FUN! Winning is MORE Fun! We are going to do the things that winners do - work hard, lift, run, etc. so that we can maximize our chances to win on the scoreboard. However, the daily "grind" of football is still fun!
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Post by ajreaper on Nov 22, 2007 23:08:53 GMT -6
LOL. fun = jacking around in pratice? You cannot have fun unless you are "jacking around"? You obviously have a far different definition of fun then I.
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Post by smu92 on Nov 22, 2007 23:52:30 GMT -6
I refer again to a paraphrase from Dungy's book that I used in the other 'fun' post..."every time I walk out to the field at a baseball game, the umpire always yells 'PLAY ball!' He never yells 'WORK' ball!'" It's a game. It's a tough-@$$ game that requires hard work, discipline, and sacrifice, but it's a game nonetheless. We've got to make it fun. And no, I don't think that having fun translates in to jacking around all the time. Winning is fun, but the process of becoming a winner can be fun too. You've got to teach kids to love the process.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2007 7:00:19 GMT -6
How can a coach ever determine what is FUN for the kids. We all have the kid who just loves the conditioning and the grind-time hard work (those are usually the wrestlers) and you'd not think that was fun. But you have other kids who couldnt' find enjoyment in much of anything other than the burger they eat on their way to a road game.
I believe that FUN, for the most part, is a concept of the players. Your backup kid who feels as if he doesn't get a fair shot will not allow himself to have fun.
But I do believe there are some things that you'd have a hard time not classifying as fun.
But I don't design things in practice to be as much fun as I do to develop improvement.
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Post by aleator on Nov 23, 2007 7:32:32 GMT -6
I. The fun is being the best you can be, as a person, as a student and as a football player.
II. Ultimate goal is to build great men, husbands and fathers, who will give back to their communities.
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Post by tog on Nov 23, 2007 10:20:25 GMT -6
fun to me is when something funny happens-you laugh about it---but when the coach (me) says ok, let's get back to work
its time to get back to work
other than that
fun is winning
and that comes from all that pss talked about
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 23, 2007 10:22:41 GMT -6
fun to me is when something funny happens-you laugh about it---but when the coach (me) says ok, let's get back to work its time to get back to work other than that fun is winning and that comes from all that pss talked about 100% with Tog on this, however we do some quality football drills that the players consider fun king of boards bermuda triangle oklahomas pull and splatter drill angle tackling I am not a believer in wasting practice time. |
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Post by fbdoc on Nov 23, 2007 10:28:14 GMT -6
When its time to condition we have a wide variety of drills but our players always ask to do "tag" which in our opinion is one of the toughest drills. They like it - they think it is a "fun" way to get the running in. As long as they are going full speed, does it matter if they are having fun? It goes back to what I said earlier - Football is Fun, Winning is More Fun.
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Post by phantom on Nov 23, 2007 11:35:07 GMT -6
1. The definition of "fun" is what gets coaches into trouble sometimes. Our program was all about making football "fun" and the HC just got fired after a 0-10 season. I guess the alumni did not have any "fun" watching the team having "fun" this year. I do not buy into the "fun" stuff when it comes to Varsity football. Competitive sports is about "satisfaction". Football gives young men an outlet to "satisfy" the instinctual need to test themselves in a challenging physical endeavor. I think that we cheat our youth by replacing a sense of satisfaction from a job well done with the "fun" theory. Competitive sports are only fun when your team plays to their potential and satisfies their competitive instincts. Does that make any sense to anybody but me?!? 2. I hope our players can leave the program with the ability to work through the difficult issues they will face in the future. I use the lessons of competition and mental toughness that I learned on the football field everyday. Football has allowed me to succeed in a very competitive industry and I hope that we can change our program back from a "just have fun" team to a group of young men that will not be satisfied with anything but their best effort. I want our players to be the competitive leaders that our community so badly need. That is pretty well put. #1 You are teaching young men to compete in a sport that is in my opinion the most competitive sport played. Teaching them to compete on a high level will enable to compete in life, in the job market, and to be able to handle victory and accept defeat. #2 Overcoming adversity on a daily basis. Not everything will always go right in your life. We must teach young men how to handle the hardships that come along and to overcome them. These are lifelong lessons that they will carry for ever. #3 Teamwork. Placing TEAM before me is something we stress daily. Again a life lesson. In order for any organization to be successful every person in that organization must work together as a unit or TEAM. Our motto just like a lot of yours is "Big TEAM, little me". I basically just restated what wccoach posted. But again, when it comes down to it, we can't afford to make it "fun" for several reasons. The main 2 are: 1. We are letting our Athletes down in teaching them more than football 2. When it comes down to it, our jobs depend on the success of the teams we coach. To me, the fun in football is the fellowship among the players and coaches. Joking around in the locker room and between plays on the field is what has made the game fun for me for 40 years. As for practice, veteran players at my postions (OL and DBs) know what's going to happen coming in in August. I believe that developing technique means developing habits and that you do that through repetition. If you watch an August practice and a November practice the only thing that changes is the color of the leaves. Fun is in playing the game. Fun is in winning. Fun is in the by-play. I can't even imagine suggesting to the boss that we do something to make practice fun. |
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Post by coachcoyote on Nov 23, 2007 17:11:34 GMT -6
Fun, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. I always enjoyed practice in HS and College. It was hard work and the expended energy did not always reward us with wins. I always try to find the positive in what a kid does, even if it's just tying his shoes correctly. Then correct his mistakes and leave him with dignity. I've run the gamut from screaming, questioning manhood, and trying to be Mr. Nice Guy. I've always tried to be myself and not someone else. Over the years, I've combined many strategies and can be Taz[my nick name] or the Father, depending on the kid and the situation. You have to be what/who you are not who people want you to be.
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Post by groundchuck on Nov 25, 2007 22:12:30 GMT -6
In practice to me "fun" is having a great spirited practice where things go right, kids hustle, etc.
Like Tog said if something "funny" happens you roll with it, laugh about it, make a joke, but when it is time to get back to business...well, you get back to business.
I also agree with Calande here that football players will generally think drills like Oklahoma or King of the Boards are fun. I know our kids beg for 1on1s, 2on2s, and Okie.
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