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Post by CoachF on May 1, 2020 18:54:37 GMT -6
Just wondering who you guys look to emulate? As I get a little more seasoned I’ve realized there’s great value in believing in what I believe in and selling out on that/being true to who I am.
However, I also like everyone else look to see how the “great” coaches and programs do it whether it be leadership, schemes, strength etc.
Who are some of the coaches and programs you guys seek to emulate and why?
I’ll start. I’m from Iowa and I would seek to emulate the the Hawkeyes. They maximize talent, they’re about hard work and being selfless. They’re simple with their schemes and just play hard for 60 minutes. Outside zone and pro style passing on offense, 4-3 cover 4 and cover 6 mainly on D. They don’t out scheme you-they try to put hit and out play you.
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Post by kylem56 on May 1, 2020 19:10:11 GMT -6
Just FYI, be warned you are going to get bashed for the question. Theres always a group of coaches on here who have all the answers and are going to let you know when you don't.
I don't know that I try to emulate anyone when I coach. I do know that my personality as a teacher/coach/dad/husband is a combination of many people. One being my family, and another part being my high school football coach who was like a 2nd father to me, so much that my son is named after him. I think the older and more experienced you get in this profession, the more you get comfortable just being yourself. Now yourself could still be a combination of other coaches you played under, coached with, learned from etc. My own parents will tell me that some of the ways I talk to the media sound like my old high school coach, and I can see it in the way I approach certain topics. I also feel that some of the other Head Coaches I have worked for prior to being a head coach for the first time played in a big part in shaping me and my coaching philosophy. I don't try to copy them, but definitely learn from them, take the good etc. To answer your question briefly, I would say the way I coach is a combination of coaches I have worked with/under and evolution of my own personality.
As far as programs, I think it depends on where you are at. Especially at the high school level. At the school I am at now, we are a high academic, big in football tradition private school but a small enrollment of less than 350 students total. We will probably have 60 kids or less in the entire program. Who will we try to "emulate"? While circumstances may be different and enrollment may be less than it was 10 years ago, our identity remains the same. We are going to be a run first on offense based on discipline, deception, and doing just a few things very well. On defense, we are going to keep it simple, let our kids run around and play, and on special teams we are going to be aggressive as can be. I think all this comes from a combination of the past and what each of us as coaches individually brings to the table....hope this helps..great question
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Post by morris on May 1, 2020 20:11:04 GMT -6
The more I do this the more I think we over complicate things. I suggest during this time coaches do a skill inventory of all the things we ask kids to do. Even if you think you’re simple you might be surprised at all the things you’re asking a 14-19 year old to do when while he might enjoy football it’s not his life.
Things or programs I try to emulate. Things that are simple and repeatable. Where can I get the best return on investment. We use Wendler’s strength stuff because it is very simple and works. Might not be the best but we could do a lot worse.
Scheme wise we are evolving into as simple as it gets. We all talk about coaching up the details but I think at times we over complicate it. We feel we have to coach up the smallest details to be a good coach. Now yes there is a line there but you need to find it. You can’t get too caught up in the smallest details.
I look at programs that are successful with similar roster sizes and socioeconomic factors. I try to see if we can use/do what they do. I look at other sports. What do they do or why do I connect/relate to them.
I once hear a guy say football coaches want a recipe but they don’t want to learn to cook. I think it’s a valid analogy. Many guys want to have a step by step blueprint instead of learning the little tweaks that come through experience and experimenting.
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Post by coachdubyah on May 1, 2020 20:44:26 GMT -6
I look at programs that are successful with similar roster sizes and socioeconomic factors. I try to see if we can use/do what they do. I look at other sports. What do they do or why do I connect/relate to them.
I once hear a guy say football coaches want a recipe but they don’t want to learn to cook. I think it’s a valid analogy. Many guys want to have a step by step blueprint instead of learning the little tweaks that come through experience and experimenting.^That right there. I'm going into my 3rd year as a Head Coach and I failed miserable at doing these things right here. This off-season/lockdown time I have been researching teams that have rosters my size and honestly just high school teams. The only thing I have remotely looked at that is college is some stuff that TCU does on Defense (I'm late to the koolaid party with that stuff...lifetime Offense guy here). Everything else has been High School. I've also learned that I do take some philosophical things from "big time coaches" but I have found that over the last few months I'm just going to be me. Be the coach you wanted. Learn what motivates your players. Some kids you can dog cuss; some you need to love on them. In short...BUILD RELATIONSHIPS. What makes great coaches is being true to who you are. Kids can pick up on cliche stuff. Theyre not stupid. I don't even like the idea of reading a book and just making it gospel (scheme, philosophy, etc...). Can you get ideas from it, of course. But, saying this is what we need to do doesn't work year in and year out. Every place is different. Every kid is different. Sorry for that rant. morris hit the nail on the head. We over-complicate things. Offensively speaking there is too much "read this guy" now days if you ask me. Hardly anyone will just line up and run a play downhill. Defensively, there aren't any "Brick Walls" anymore. Most teams will just let you get yards and eventually you will just mess up...chances are because you're doing too much. You can search my posts and I was drinking that guru koolaid as well. I think the key to this profession is not necessarily trying to "emulate" someone but just doing what works for you and your program. I hope all that makes sense after 3 straight days of being a stay at home dad while my wife has been working.
Edit: CoachF I think this is an excellent topic. I got something out of it. Got me thinking now.
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Post by CoachF on May 1, 2020 20:53:54 GMT -6
I agree with you guys. I’m the defensive coordinator-not the head coach. I’m loyal so I’m going to do whatever the program needs me to. I think in my head I know I love the scheme of the game and most coaches do-but you guys are right, most of our players just want to play; not learn the game. I’ve been pretty committed to simplifying and being as basic as possible- I don’t think the rest of our coaches would be as willing as me. I know that maybe sounds a little arrogant but I’ve read a lot and watched a lot-the game is about way more than schemes and we have a hard enough time getting our staff to learn every piece inside and out let alone every kid playing both ways.
I like the idea of contemplating what you would want in a coach. I think what I wanted was a coach that could create a team. It didn’t really matter how but those great “teams” to be on we’re when everyone was fighting for the team and not themselves. Maybe I answered my own question!
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Post by morris on May 1, 2020 21:24:22 GMT -6
I think this is a great topic. It might go in a little different direction but I think it all fits.
Coach brought up a good point about reading everyone. Do a skill inventory of all the things you ask a QB to do and then think about his replacement if something happens. Some of the stuff we ask a kid to do is crazy. It’s far more than what he is asked to do in school on a regular basis.
Look at your OL and think about it. Scheme, technique, if turns and all of that is happening in about 3 seconds. Then what happens if they throw something at you that is not typical. We all face good DCs and then we face crazy DCs that do some completely unsound things but can get away with it.
I’ve bounced around different ideas and system but I coached MS a long time before moving up. It let me experiment and also taught me how to simplify. My first year as a HS HC I tried to do WAY too much. If I had simplified we would of performed better. That’s on me.
I relate much better to lower socioeconomic players. My ideal numbers are 60 kids 9-12. It fits who I am and my experience. I grew up loving UNVL and the Fab Five in basketball. Something about the way they played connected with me. I love Paul Westheads approach to basketball and the idea of the triangle offense. I like Coach Pop’s approach to things. I’m realizing that those ideas are where I’m ending up in football.
Briles once said that football isn’t hard. We make it much harder than what it is. My HS HC used to say football is blocking and tackling. Don’t make something easy hard. It reminds me of another coach that is very well known in KY. He retired and did a clinic on his offense and I was blown away by how extremely simple and nonrigid it was. It was very fluid. If a good athlete can’t do something then just have him do what he is good at. Develop the kid but don’t bang your and his head against the wall trying to turn him into something he isn’t. Sorry for the long post/rant.
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Post by CoachF on May 1, 2020 22:17:51 GMT -6
Not a rant I like to hear other people’s ideas obviously. I’ve already purchased the 5/3/1 method (for my own training purposes if nothing else). I want to be as knowledgeable as possible and I think reading and studying a spectrum is the best way to do it-but I agree at the end of the day you still have to focus on something otherwise there will be no focus. I just think there are a lot of aspects to a program and life and knowing something about each of those phases can help-communication, academics, time management, etc. have 1-3 focus items and objectives in each area I think can help me provide a lot of value to those around me but also keep a focus and not just spew information.
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Post by blb on May 2, 2020 7:23:53 GMT -6
There's nothing wrong trying to emulate (if that's right word) a coach or program that fits your personality-philosophy so long as you coach as you know how-tweak it for your situation.
i.e., emulate, not impersonate.
Back in the '70s if Bo Schembechler had put an outhouse on the 50-yard line of Michigan Stadium the next day half the HS fields in the state would have had one too.
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Post by s73 on May 2, 2020 8:28:40 GMT -6
Just wondering who you guys look to emulate? As I get a little more seasoned I’ve realized there’s great value in believing in what I believe in and selling out on that/being true to who I am. However, I also like everyone else look to see how the “great” coaches and programs do it whether it be leadership, schemes, strength etc. Who are some of the coaches and programs you guys seek to emulate and why? I’ll start. I’m from Iowa and I would seek to emulate the the Hawkeyes. They maximize talent, they’re about hard work and being selfless. They’re simple with their schemes and just play hard for 60 minutes. Outside zone and pro style passing on offense, 4-3 cover 4 and cover 6 mainly on D. They don’t out scheme you-they try to put hit and out play you. Love some of these responses. FOR ME: Emulating similar hs programs has been more my style / path. I think they are easier to study, and you can develop a better sense of what typical hs kids can do. Personally, I have always questioned the validity of expecting our kids to do SOME of the things we see on tv. IMO, some of those kids are getting a scholarship or are professional athletes for a reason. FOR US, we like the flex bone style b/c I can study a system that tends to consist of success w/ lesser athletes and size which tends to be more the norm where I coach. I have also stolen many concepts from area power houses of like mindedness. As a result, we are triple option in nature while using a heavy dose of formations (easier to install than plays IMO) and we have really tried to improve our passing game from a high percentage stand point mostly b/c I will tend to be more 2 dimensional if the success rate is higher. Triple / zone dive is inspired by academies and the rest is from local schools and opponents who gave caused myself and others problems w/ this style of play. I also favor this approach b/c we differ from most hence causing people to be more specific in their prep for us.
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Post by wingtol on May 2, 2020 10:37:27 GMT -6
There's nothing wrong trying to emulate (if that's right word) a coach or program that fits your personality-philosophy so long as you coach as you know how-tweak it for your situation. i.e., emulate, not impersonate. Back in the '70s if Bo Schembechler had put an outhouse on the 50-yard line of Michigan Stadium the next day half the HS fields in the state would have had one too. This. Take what you like from people and mold it into your own. Don't try and be hard ass like Saban or Meyer if you aren't a hard ass (just an example not a shot at anyone) cause kids see through fake quicker than quick. Be yourself and try and grow as a coach just because this guy does it that way doesn't mean it's going to work for you. The best football mind and coach I ever worked with was a flaming a$$hole like making kids and coaches cry every day type. I learned so much from him. But I am not like him and never could be. Learn and incorporate things you value above all else.
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Post by chi5hi on May 2, 2020 12:39:34 GMT -6
There's nothing wrong trying to emulate (if that's right word) a coach or program that fits your personality-philosophy so long as you coach as you know how-tweak it for your situation. i.e., emulate, not impersonate. Back in the '70s if Bo Schembechler had put an outhouse on the 50-yard line of Michigan Stadium the next day half the HS fields in the state would have had one too. I once thought, back when I was a baby coach, that if I put my jockstrap out on the 50, every one of our opponents would start quaking in their boots. I was wrong. I now try to emulate simplicity. Block and Tackle better than the other guy--don't do stupid penalties--don't drop the ball, and realize that the only "breaks" in the game is in which way the ball bounces when it hits the ground. If if bounces into your hands...that's a good break.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2020 23:22:54 GMT -6
There is no one right way. So to say I want emulate A would be wrong. Especially when B-Z have real merit. But the easiest is my first boss who’s tombstone will read “beat their as$.” Be physical and execute. He never said the part about execute, but he believed it. 4-4 defense man and 3 deep calls. 2 call to be precise, and inside veer and counter trey left and right. Practice were IV right over and over and over and over....2.5 hrs long, full pads. Maybe 10 minutes of Indy. You were not going to take away IV.
I am not an option guy, and in fact I would rather practice punt than practice option. And i despise 2.5 practices and full padded practices. I didn’t use to. But I completely buy execution and physicality, and I am convinced that they are one in the same. And that is just broad overview as there are so many things I have decide to make my own ideas. In fact I am a plagiarist. None of its mine, I am not smart enough to arrive at on my own. I didn’t even get the minimalist offense from my first boss. I got it from the DTDW guys. I am not, never will be a DTDW guy. I also stole the off tackle thing from them. Not completely. But a large majority of it. chip Kelly-practicing fast practice time- guy at air force limit, planning reps- any number of guys from the cool clinic. What I want my offseason to look like in part- mcnally
As somebody else likes to say, I dont enough time to type it all up here, but it is nowhere near 1 person, team, program I would emulate.
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Post by kcbazooka on May 3, 2020 6:03:51 GMT -6
Al Davis - Just win, baby!
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