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Post by fantom on Apr 30, 2020 12:49:24 GMT -6
The question about team community service projects made me curious. I'm only talking about a service/charity project not anything that's part fundraiser for the benefit of the team.
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Post by bobgoodman on Apr 30, 2020 13:27:52 GMT -6
I can't say "yes" or "no", because we didn't do it as a team, but a couple years ago we were invited by some towns to do community clean-up with sponsorship by locals who donated to the club whose team we were part of.
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Post by somecoach on Apr 30, 2020 14:10:53 GMT -6
My last stop there was a yearly beach clean up!
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Post by 54695469 on Apr 30, 2020 15:48:29 GMT -6
Seriously, this is not really a real topic, is it?
Y'all are fricking football coaches...not cub scout troop leaders!
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Post by fantom on Apr 30, 2020 15:50:45 GMT -6
Seriously, this is not really a real topic, is it? Y'all are fricking football coaches...not cub scout troop leaders! Well, that would be a "No" then. BTW, in the Cub Scouts they call them "packs". |
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Post by 54695469 on Apr 30, 2020 17:55:58 GMT -6
Seriously, this is not really a real topic, is it? Y'all are fricking football coaches...not cub scout troop leaders! Well, that would be a "No" then. BTW, in the Cub Scouts they call them "packs". Thank you. Noted. |
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Post by CS on Apr 30, 2020 18:10:45 GMT -6
Seriously, this is not really a real topic, is it? Y'all are fricking football coaches...not cub scout troop leaders! I generally agree with your take on the gimmicky horse$hit that is culture in today’s football world but I will disagree here. Nothing wrong with your team doing community service. Nothing wrong with anyone doing community service really |
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Post by utchuckd on Apr 30, 2020 19:12:26 GMT -6
We do a work day at Habitat for Humanity every year.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2020 19:34:15 GMT -6
I think it is non sense. Why is stuff deemed necessary? Especially if you believe its, hs fb, already over the top.
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Post by macdiiddy on Apr 30, 2020 20:12:31 GMT -6
I think it is non sense. Why is stuff deemed necessary? Especially if you believe its, hs fb, already over the top. Because some people have a different "Why" for coaching football. I love the X's and O's like anyone else, but there is a great opportunity football coaches have working with over 50 plus teenagers and helping to instill positive values. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2020 20:20:34 GMT -6
I think it is non sense. Why is stuff deemed necessary? Especially if you believe its, hs fb, already over the top. Because some people have a different "Why" for coaching football. I love the X's and O's like anyone else, but there is a great opportunity football coaches have working with over 50 plus teenagers and helping to instill positive values. fb does this already. |
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 30, 2020 20:24:15 GMT -6
I think it is non sense. Why is stuff deemed necessary? Especially if you believe its, hs fb, already over the top. Because some people have a different "Why" for coaching football. I love the X's and O's like anyone else, but there is a great opportunity football coaches have working with over 50 plus teenagers and helping to instill positive values. You are not their father. |
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Post by eagledc on Apr 30, 2020 21:39:37 GMT -6
Because some people have a different "Why" for coaching football. I love the X's and O's like anyone else, but there is a great opportunity football coaches have working with over 50 plus teenagers and helping to instill positive values. You are not their father. Rightly so, but for some, we may be as close to a father as some will ever have. There is nothing wrong with giving back to a community that helps support your program. |
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Post by kylem56 on Apr 30, 2020 21:42:22 GMT -6
Don't really give a sh*t if you disagree with whether teams should do service or not. If you don't like the concept, skip the thread or don't read the post.
When I was a Head Coach, we did several. We averaged 15 hours of community service per kid. There may have been a couple who hated it but overall, they were doing something together, learning the importance of taking care of their community and others. Some of the projects we did over the years:
-Community Clean Up (elderly people who requested help with clearing out their yards, we would send groups of kids too)
-Help with Youth Fishing Derby (baiting hooks, measuring fish, etc)
-Stadium Clean Up (landscaping, hung banners, cleaned press box, painted)
- Visit to nursing home for a couple hours
- Read to elementary kids
- Victory Day (football experience for kids with special needs, not necessarily a community service project though)
- Ran a youth football camp
- Helped custodians move all classroom furniture in the building
- Helped clean up after a tornado hit.
Thats just some off the top of my head. The stadium clean up was important for us because we wanted OUR stadium to look nice and take care of it. At my new school, each kid is required to graduate with 40 hours of community service (Catholic school) so we scale it way back. We will do Victory Day, a Youth Camp, and something else as a team.
We wrap up our community service projects for the year after the last Saturday of two-a-days. The only community service project we do in the season, and we don't really view it as a service project.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 30, 2020 21:49:02 GMT -6
You are not their father. Rightly so, but for some, we may be as close to my father as some will ever have. There is nothing wrong with giving back to a community that helps support your program. There was nothing in his post about helping the community. |
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 30, 2020 21:51:01 GMT -6
Don't really give a sh*t if you disagree with whether teams should do service or not. If you don't like the concept, skip the thread or don't read the post. When I was a Head Coach, we did several. We averaged 15 hours of community service per kid. There may have been a couple who hated it but overall, they were doing something together, learning the importance of taking care of their community and others. Some of the projects we did over the years: -Community Clean Up (elderly people who requested help with clearing out their yards, we would send groups of kids too) -Help with Youth Fishing Derby (baiting hooks, measuring fish, etc) -Stadium Clean Up (landscaping, hung banners, cleaned press box, painted) - Visit to nursing home for a couple hours - Read to elementary kids - Victory Day (football experience for kids with special needs, not necessarily a community service project though) - Ran a youth football camp - Helped custodians move all classroom furniture in the building - Helped clean up after a tornado hit. Thats just some off the top of my head. The stadium clean up was important for us because we wanted OUR stadium to look nice and take care of it. At my new school, each kid is required to graduate with 40 hours of community service (Catholic school) so we scale it way back. We will do Victory Day, a Youth Camp, and something else as a team. We wrap up our community service projects for the year after the last Saturday of two-a-days. The only community service project we do in the season, and we don't really view it as a service project. It may not concern us, but when people do this stuff and then plaster it all over social media, it suddenly becomes our problem when your team's parents and your administrators think you need to be doing it too. Then it becomes the 9,000th expectation on you. |
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Post by 54695469 on Apr 30, 2020 22:15:30 GMT -6
Don't really give a sh*t if you disagree with whether teams should do service or not. If you don't like the concept, skip the thread or don't read the post. When I was a Head Coach, we did several. We averaged 15 hours of community service per kid. There may have been a couple who hated it but overall, they were doing something together, learning the importance of taking care of their community and others. Some of the projects we did over the years: -Community Clean Up (elderly people who requested help with clearing out their yards, we would send groups of kids too) -Help with Youth Fishing Derby (baiting hooks, measuring fish, etc) -Stadium Clean Up (landscaping, hung banners, cleaned press box, painted) - Visit to nursing home for a couple hours - Read to elementary kids - Victory Day (football experience for kids with special needs, not necessarily a community service project though) - Ran a youth football camp - Helped custodians move all classroom furniture in the building - Helped clean up after a tornado hit. Thats just some off the top of my head. The stadium clean up was important for us because we wanted OUR stadium to look nice and take care of it. At my new school, each kid is required to graduate with 40 hours of community service (Catholic school) so we scale it way back. We will do Victory Day, a Youth Camp, and something else as a team. We wrap up our community service projects for the year after the last Saturday of two-a-days. The only community service project we do in the season, and we don't really view it as a service project. It may not concern us, but when people do this stuff and then plaster it all over social media, it suddenly becomes our problem when your team's parents and your administrators think you need to be doing it too. Then it becomes the 9,000th expectation on you. Amen. Now is when you tell those of us that oppose this stuff that we're lazy. Whatever...this community service stuff is great for the student council, but your players are on your team because they want to play football! Let them be football players! Why should they have to do these other things? They can join the Key Club if they're into this stuff. You guys justify all of these deals with all of the high and mighty talk about giving back, being a father figure, etc... but 90% of you just want to say, "Look at us. See what we did?" Then you can post it on Twitter and Facebook. It's all part of the social warrior game that has to be played to be a coach in 2020. You really want to feel good about yourself? Just coach! Go to sleep knowing that you busted your butt coaching and teaching your kids that day! You want to be a father figure...? Just do what football coaches do. Be disciplined, be a leader, be organized, etc... Why play all of these silly games? Ok... I'm done. Bash away. |
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Post by eagledc on Apr 30, 2020 22:33:09 GMT -6
Rightly so, but for some, we may be as close to my father as some will ever have. There is nothing wrong with giving back to a community that helps support your program. There was nothing in his post about helping the community. True, but what I was referencing to was coaches helping to install values in there kids. Helping others throughout their community and putting other peoples needs before yourself helps a lot of kids put things in a different perspective. Kind of like "team over self". |
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Post by jlenwood on May 1, 2020 5:00:30 GMT -6
Because some people have a different "Why" for coaching football. I love the X's and O's like anyone else, but there is a great opportunity football coaches have working with over 50 plus teenagers and helping to instill positive values. You are not their father. larrymoe didn't you have a post several years ago about "pink out" night, where you made them actually write something or engage with someone who had battled with cancer? Somebody on here did and it was one of the best ideas I had heard concerning these "special" activities everyone gets so worked up about. I think most things that are done like the community service and the like, are done for the benefit of the adults in the program/school. Kind of a "we are doing something" mindset that makes the adults feel good. I coached for a long time, and I keep in regular contact with a boatload of my former players, and I can tell you from listening to them that frankly speaking, none of this stuff made a lasting impact. What I hear and what I always thought and KNEW, was that when they were taught a lesson on the field (practice/game) it stayed with them. The extra stuff was seen as just that, extra stuff that did not matter to them as much as it did the adults. As a matter of fact, most of the feel good stuff that is pushed on kids while in HS is just that, feel good for the adults and meaningless for 99% of the kids. Not bashing, if you feel it is good for your kids and program go all in, its not gonna hurt anything. Just don't kid yourself that this stuff makes great citizens, I just believe it doesn't really make an impct. |
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Post by blb on May 1, 2020 7:02:45 GMT -6
It is illogical to think you are teaching kids the value of volunteerism or community service by REQUIRING them to do it.
Got to be their idea.
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Post by larrymoe on May 1, 2020 9:27:50 GMT -6
You are not their father. larrymoe didn't you have a post several years ago about "pink out" night, where you made them actually write something or engage with someone who had battled with cancer? Somebody on here did and it was one of the best ideas I had heard concerning these "special" activities everyone gets so worked up about. I think most things that are done like the community service and the like, are done for the benefit of the adults in the program/school. Kind of a "we are doing something" mindset that makes the adults feel good. I coached for a long time, and I keep in regular contact with a boatload of my former players, and I can tell you from listening to them that frankly speaking, none of this stuff made a lasting impact. What I hear and what I always thought and KNEW, was that when they were taught a lesson on the field (practice/game) it stayed with them. The extra stuff was seen as just that, extra stuff that did not matter to them as much as it did the adults. As a matter of fact, most of the feel good stuff that is pushed on kids while in HS is just that, feel good for the adults and meaningless for 99% of the kids. Not bashing, if you feel it is good for your kids and program go all in, its not gonna hurt anything. Just don't kid yourself that this stuff makes great citizens, I just believe it doesn't really make an impct. That was not me. |
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Post by larrymoe on May 1, 2020 9:29:38 GMT -6
There was nothing in his post about helping the community. True, but what I was referencing to was coaches helping to install values in there kids. Helping others throughout their community and putting other peoples needs before yourself helps a lot of kids put things in a different perspective. Kind of like "team over self". Kind of like what blb said, but if you really think you're instilling any values in a 17/18 year old kid you see for 2 hrs a day by forcing them to do work for someone they probably don't know, knock yourself out. |
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Post by fantom on May 1, 2020 10:59:25 GMT -6
I asked the question because I've seen quite a few posts on this board referring to these projects but they're not something that I'd heard about until I read about them here. I'm not for or against them but I'd never, as a player or coach, been a part of a program that has done a service project. It just never occurred to us that maybe we should.
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Post by carookie on May 1, 2020 12:31:17 GMT -6
To me, this comes off as more work you are making the kids do and the overload of football time. The majority of parents (at least that I've spoken to) think football takes up too much time. Most kids feel like they are spending too much time on football & related activities. Most coaches think that all the other teams are spending too much time on football (not their team though).
Community service is a good thing, but mandated (even if its voluntary we all know what that means on a football team) community service for the team just adds to it. I would only agree with it if coaches deduct 4 hours off their team's workload for every 1 they put in on community service. If it really means that much put your money where your volunteerism is. Want kids to give up four hours on a Saturday to help at a food bank, then you cut 16 hours off your off season weight training, speed training, practice schedule.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2020 13:53:22 GMT -6
To me, this comes off as more work you are making the kids do and the overload of football time. The majority of parents (at least that I've spoken to) think football takes up too much time. Most kids feel like they are spending too much time on football & related activities. Most coaches think that all the other teams are spending too much time on football (not their team though). Community service is a good thing, but mandated (even if its voluntary we all know what that means on a football team) community service for the team just adds to it. I would only agree with it if coaches deduct 4 hours off their team's workload for every 1 they put in on community service. If it really means that much put your money where your volunteerism is. Want kids to give up four hours on a Saturday to help at a food bank, then you cut 16 hours off your off season weight training, speed training, practice schedule. Spend to much time on football, but we can do some good at food bank. I hate time spent on football, but no problem with the time spent at food bank. That is insane. Caroline, I am agreeing with you for whatever its worth. |
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Post by coachd5085 on May 1, 2020 15:03:54 GMT -6
To me, this comes off as more work you are making the kids do and the overload of football time. The majority of parents (at least that I've spoken to) think football takes up too much time. Most kids feel like they are spending too much time on football & related activities. Most coaches think that all the other teams are spending too much time on football (not their team though). Community service is a good thing, but mandated (even if its voluntary we all know what that means on a football team) community service for the team just adds to it. I would only agree with it if coaches deduct 4 hours off their team's workload for every 1 they put in on community service. If it really means that much put your money where your volunteerism is. Want kids to give up four hours on a Saturday to help at a food bank, then you cut 16 hours off your off season weight training, speed training, practice schedule. Spend to much time on football, but we can do some good at food bank. I hate time spent on football, but no problem with the time spent at food bank. That is insane. Caroline, I am agreeing with you for whatever its worth. I agree! Most people don't even have time to check their autocorrects! |
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Post by kylem56 on May 1, 2020 16:21:28 GMT -6
Don't really give a sh*t if you disagree with whether teams should do service or not. If you don't like the concept, skip the thread or don't read the post. When I was a Head Coach, we did several. We averaged 15 hours of community service per kid. There may have been a couple who hated it but overall, they were doing something together, learning the importance of taking care of their community and others. Some of the projects we did over the years: -Community Clean Up (elderly people who requested help with clearing out their yards, we would send groups of kids too) -Help with Youth Fishing Derby (baiting hooks, measuring fish, etc) -Stadium Clean Up (landscaping, hung banners, cleaned press box, painted) - Visit to nursing home for a couple hours - Read to elementary kids - Victory Day (football experience for kids with special needs, not necessarily a community service project though) - Ran a youth football camp - Helped custodians move all classroom furniture in the building - Helped clean up after a tornado hit. Thats just some off the top of my head. The stadium clean up was important for us because we wanted OUR stadium to look nice and take care of it. At my new school, each kid is required to graduate with 40 hours of community service (Catholic school) so we scale it way back. We will do Victory Day, a Youth Camp, and something else as a team. We wrap up our community service projects for the year after the last Saturday of two-a-days. The only community service project we do in the season, and we don't really view it as a service project. It may not concern us, but when people do this stuff and then plaster it all over social media, it suddenly becomes our problem when your team's parents and your administrators think you need to be doing it too. Then it becomes the 9,000th expectation on you. Coach thats fair enough. We didnt do our community service for social media attention. Its just what our community believed in and backed. To each his own. I played for a very successful HC who is in the Hall of Fame and won state titles and never did a minute of community service. Whatever works for you and your program. |
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Post by kylem56 on May 1, 2020 16:23:15 GMT -6
It may not concern us, but when people do this stuff and then plaster it all over social media, it suddenly becomes our problem when your team's parents and your administrators think you need to be doing it too. Then it becomes the 9,000th expectation on you. Amen. Now is when you tell those of us that oppose this stuff that we're lazy. Whatever...this community service stuff is great for the student council, but your players are on your team because they want to play football! Let them be football players! Why should they have to do these other things? They can join the Key Club if they're into this stuff. You guys justify all of these deals with all of the high and mighty talk about giving back, being a father figure, etc... but 90% of you just want to say, "Look at us. See what we did?" Then you can post it on Twitter and Facebook. It's all part of the social warrior game that has to be played to be a coach in 2020. You really want to feel good about yourself? Just coach! Go to sleep knowing that you busted your butt coaching and teaching your kids that day! You want to be a father figure...? Just do what football coaches do. Be disciplined, be a leader, be organized, etc... Why play all of these silly games? Ok... I'm done. Bash away. When did anyone on here say your lazy for not having your team do community service? The OP asked about potential projects. I could care less about what you and your program does. You could do a hell of a job with your program and not do a minute of service, I wouldn't know any better nor would I care. I was just answering the OP's question. The coaches you describe that do all the social media postings and "look at me's", I could see where its frustrating. Its just what we believe in as a program and doesn't make us anymore right or wrong than how you run yours. Rock on buddy |
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Post by larrymoe on May 1, 2020 16:39:03 GMT -6
It may not concern us, but when people do this stuff and then plaster it all over social media, it suddenly becomes our problem when your team's parents and your administrators think you need to be doing it too. Then it becomes the 9,000th expectation on you. Coach thats fair enough. We didnt do our community service for social media attention. Its just what our community believed in and backed. To each his own. I played for a very successful HC who is in the Hall of Fame and won state titles and never did a minute of community service. Whatever works for you and your program. Did you put it on social media? |
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Post by stilltryin on May 1, 2020 16:56:42 GMT -6
Wow ... who knew the words "community service" would inspire such a hostile backlash?
We don't have any predetermined "projects." But we -- kids and coaches -- are part of the community, and the town fathers know we're a resource when needed, on a strictly voluntary basis.
When Hurricane Sandy came through our neighborhood, the town didn't have power, some of our kids didn't have homes to go back to, and the high school was off-limits. At the end of the first week, the powers that be decided we could try to play football the following Saturday. Our "practice" week went like this:
On Monday we loaded the kids into trucks and drove through police lines to the beachfront, and shoveled people back into what was left of their homes, from early morning until it got too dark. On Tuesday, we did the same thing (figured the kids wouldn't want any part of the second day; all but two showed up). On Wednesday, it snowed (that's right; 10 days after the hurricane, we had a snowstorm). The fire department pulled their trucks into the street, and we walked through a few plays in the empty bay.
Thursday and Friday, players, coaches, and a few parents shoveled snow off our grass field, spreading speedy dry we borrowed from local Little Leagues.
And on Saturday we came from behind in the second half to knock off the undefeated No. 1 team in the area. One of the most rewarding weeks of my life ... and I'm not a kid.
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