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Post by joker31 on Apr 27, 2020 19:22:53 GMT -6
Not hearing good news where I’m from, but I’m trying not to be a downer so I’m asking a question.
What are your state organizations planning on doing for Fall 2020? Is there any contingency plans or have they discussed any options/adjustments that they may make if things don’t clear up by then?
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Post by rystaylo on Apr 27, 2020 20:01:01 GMT -6
Where are You from?
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Post by wolverine55 on Apr 27, 2020 20:08:46 GMT -6
While I'm sure it's being discussed, nothing official from Iowa yet, at least not that I've heard. But, baseball and softball are summer sports here with tentative start dates of June 1st, so that's probably the priority right now.
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Post by 53 on Apr 27, 2020 20:57:53 GMT -6
Our state organization in Tennessee basically said they can’t stay afloat, if football season is canceled.
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Post by CN66 on Apr 27, 2020 21:44:24 GMT -6
Our state organization in Tennessee basically said they can’t stay afloat, if football season is canceled. Saw that. I have to believe it’s probably the same for many/most state associations, Tennessee was just willing to put it out there. |
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Post by spos21ram on Apr 28, 2020 6:50:05 GMT -6
Here in Rhode Island our Governor is pretty strict and just laid out her phased plan to get back to normal. We aren't even in phase one yet. Phase 3, which barely mentions anything about sports, allows gatherings in groups of 25 or less. Team sports/rec sports will be after that...they're are going to be last for us. Judging by how long each phase is going to be we would be lucky to get back to football this fall.
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Post by bobgoodman on Apr 28, 2020 8:32:59 GMT -6
Our state organization in Tennessee basically said they can’t stay afloat, if football season is canceled. What do their expenses go to, and where do their revenues come from? |
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Post by joker31 on Apr 28, 2020 8:51:17 GMT -6
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Post by planck on Apr 28, 2020 10:09:26 GMT -6
Our state organization in Tennessee basically said they can’t stay afloat, if football season is canceled. What do their expenses go to, and where do their revenues come from? Expenses: Paying some clown a six figure salary, most likely. |
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Post by wingtol on Apr 28, 2020 10:14:53 GMT -6
Our state organization in Tennessee basically said they can’t stay afloat, if football season is canceled. What do their expenses go to, and where do their revenues come from? I would assume as with every state they sponsor playoffs and championships along with daily operations. Attendance and dues would be the ways most state associations make money. Take away the most popular sport and you can see why that would hurt them. It's a business, if you can't offer a product then you can't make money to opperate. |
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Post by 53 on Apr 28, 2020 12:27:52 GMT -6
Our state organization in Tennessee basically said they can’t stay afloat, if football season is canceled. What do their expenses go to, and where do their revenues come from? Make the majority of their money from gates and the host city for championship games in football pays them a little more than 250,000 They already lost over a million dollars of revenue due to basketball championships being canceled and spring sports. Most of their overhead goes to insurance and administrative cost I’m sure. |
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Post by carookie on Apr 28, 2020 12:41:39 GMT -6
I'm wondering if any state organization would allow games to resume without day school (ie no distance learning) returning? Texas, I'm looking at you.
If the answer is no, then I think thats the answer there. Its all based on when your Governor (or in my case our counties chief medical advisor) allows schools back in session.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 28, 2020 15:25:36 GMT -6
I'm wondering if any state organization would allow games to resume without day school (ie no distance learning) returning? Texas, I'm looking at you. If the answer is no, then I think thats the answer there. Its all based on when your Governor (or in my case our counties chief medical advisor) allows schools back in session. I don't believe it is a matter of "would" but rather "can"? I would venture that most of the state organizations are member organizations where the schools are the membership. If the schools have been ordered closed, I don't see how they could allow students to participate in athletics. In Louisiana, I can't see any way that could happen given that the superintendents association petitioned the governor to order schools closed for the rest of the school year. So if unfortunately school buildings are still closed in August, I don't see sporting events being held. That said, I dont see school buildings being closed. That said, it is important to consider that individual states and associations may handle things with somewhat "outside the box" ideas. Not all areas of states are being affected the same--something that is starting to create friction here in Louisiana. Schools have been closed since March 13, and many districts have no remote learning plan. The vast majority of parishes (counties) in Louisiana have had less than 250 cases. If you exclude the biggest parish (Caddo parish, population 240,000) in North Louisiana, then North Louisiana has only witnessed 81 deaths. In Louisiana, with 1758 deaths as of 4/28 1079 of those come from just 3 areas. Shreveport area, Baton Rouge area, and New Orleans Metro Area leading the way with 854. I can see why some are very skeptical and disagree with the "stay at home" order being extended until mid May. Heck, in the outlying parts of the NOLA metro area I reffered to, I believe people have already decided on their own that the order has been lifted. |
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Post by wingtol on Apr 28, 2020 18:39:14 GMT -6
I'm wondering if any state organization would allow games to resume without day school (ie no distance learning) returning? Texas, I'm looking at you. If the answer is no, then I think thats the answer there. Its all based on when your Governor (or in my case our counties chief medical advisor) allows schools back in session. Texas is almost re-opened anyways can't see them giving up HS football. |
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Post by bleefb on Apr 28, 2020 18:44:13 GMT -6
I'm wondering if any state organization would allow games to resume without day school (ie no distance learning) returning? Texas, I'm looking at you. If the answer is no, then I think thats the answer there. Its all based on when your Governor (or in my case our counties chief medical advisor) allows schools back in session. Texas is almost re-opened anyways can't see them giving up HS football. Food, maybe, but not H.S. Football.  |
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Post by coachwoodall on Apr 28, 2020 21:41:41 GMT -6
Not trying to be political, but this is what is coming out in SC
They are just starting to state what they plans may look like. They State Super said they are working on a plan A, B, & C. Her 'thinking' is that we can't fill up school busses, we can fill up classrooms. So at least 1 of the plans seems to be that we might have 1/2, 1/3, 1/4 of the kids coming each day to be taught.
Now what the freaking hades that means for sports, who knows. We have a bunch of
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Post by coachwoodall on Apr 28, 2020 21:43:36 GMT -6
If school doesn't open back up on schedule, there are bigger problems we need to worry about than football gate revenues.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 28, 2020 21:58:44 GMT -6
Not trying to be political, but this is what is coming out in SC They are just starting to state what they plans may look like. They State Super said they are working on a plan A, B, & C. Her 'thinking' is that we can't fill up school busses, we can fill up classrooms. So at least 1 of the plans seems to be that we might have 1/2, 1/3, 1/4 of the kids coming each day to be taught. Now what the freaking hades that means for sports, who knows. We have a bunch of Assuming that was supposed to be "can't" fill up classrooms. I think that is definitely something that will have to be considered. Several schools platooned campuses after Hurricane Katrina in Louisiana, but that was much more regionalized. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Apr 28, 2020 22:25:40 GMT -6
Not trying to be political, but this is what is coming out in SC They are just starting to state what they plans may look like. They State Super said they are working on a plan A, B, & C. Her 'thinking' is that we can't fill up school busses, we can fill up classrooms. So at least 1 of the plans seems to be that we might have 1/2, 1/3, 1/4 of the kids coming each day to be taught. Now what the freaking hades that means for sports, who knows. We have a bunch of Assuming that was supposed to be "can't" fill up classrooms. I think that is definitely something that will have to be considered. Several schools platooned campuses after Hurricane Katrina in Louisiana, but that was much more regionalized. Correct, I didn't edit that... can't fill up classrooms. Why were schools 'platooning campuses' in LA? |
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 29, 2020 6:01:26 GMT -6
Assuming that was supposed to be "can't" fill up classrooms. I think that is definitely something that will have to be considered. Several schools platooned campuses after Hurricane Katrina in Louisiana, but that was much more regionalized. Correct, I didn't edit that... can't fill up classrooms. Why were schools 'platooning campuses' in LA? After Katrina, there was a lack of classroom space due to destroyed or damaged schools. So different schools used the same campuses in a platooning manner ( one school may attend from 7 until noon, the other from 1-6pm. With regards to the present, I could see similar situtatuons, but it would be the same school platooning on its own campus to effectively lower the number of students and increase the space. |
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Post by bobgoodman on Apr 29, 2020 11:08:43 GMT -6
What do their expenses go to, and where do their revenues come from? I would assume as with every state they sponsor playoffs and championships along with daily operations. Attendance and dues would be the ways most state associations make money. Take away the most popular sport and you can see why that would hurt them. It's a business, if you can't offer a product then you can't make money to opperate. I wonder how athletic departments like the fact that football is subsidizing their state associations' expenses on all the other sports. I guess this is not a problem because schools that have football probably have all or most of the other sports, while those that don't have football certainly don't mind the subsidy. It'd probably rankle more if many schools that had football did not have many of the other sports the association has expenses for. Schools will reopen once enough people in position to do anything about it wake up to the reality that an effective vaccine in a reasonable time frame is a long shot, and that the best way to spread immunity thru the population with the least morbidity and mortality via unattenuated virus is thru the children. |
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Post by 54695469 on Apr 29, 2020 12:28:03 GMT -6
I would assume as with every state they sponsor playoffs and championships along with daily operations. Attendance and dues would be the ways most state associations make money. Take away the most popular sport and you can see why that would hurt them. It's a business, if you can't offer a product then you can't make money to opperate. I wonder how athletic departments like the fact that football is subsidizing their state associations' expenses on all the other sports. I guess this is not a problem because schools that have football probably have all or most of the other sports, while those that don't have football certainly don't mind the subsidy. It'd probably rankle more if many schools that had football did not have many of the other sports the association has expenses for. Schools will reopen once enough people in position to do anything about it wake up to the reality that an effective vaccine in a reasonable time frame is a long shot, and that the best way to spread immunity thru the population with the least morbidity and mortality via unattenuated virus is thru the children. But what about the old/older coaches that coach these kids who possess the least morbidity? Or the officials, who's average age in the US is well over 50 years old...? |
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Post by fantom on Apr 29, 2020 13:58:26 GMT -6
I wonder how athletic departments like the fact that football is subsidizing their state associations' expenses on all the other sports. I guess this is not a problem because schools that have football probably have all or most of the other sports, while those that don't have football certainly don't mind the subsidy. It'd probably rankle more if many schools that had football did not have many of the other sports the association has expenses for. Schools will reopen once enough people in position to do anything about it wake up to the reality that an effective vaccine in a reasonable time frame is a long shot, and that the best way to spread immunity thru the population with the least morbidity and mortality via unattenuated virus is thru the children. But what about the old/older coaches that coach these kids who possess the least morbidity? Or the officials, who's average age in the US is well over 50 years old...? Yeah, herd immunity sounds better when you forget that it means sacrificing the old and the sick. We're fresh out of ice floes around here so I'm not planning to float off to sea any time soon. |
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Post by bobgoodman on Apr 29, 2020 17:42:21 GMT -6
But what about the old/older coaches that coach these kids who possess the least morbidity? Or the officials, who's average age in the US is well over 50 years old...? Yeah, herd immunity sounds better when you forget that it means sacrificing the old and the sick. We're fresh out of ice floes around here so I'm not planning to float off to sea any time soon. But what other choice is there? Everybody live like hermits forever? Meanwhile our immune systems will become flabby due to lack of exposure to everything else. And it doesn't mean sacrificing the old and the sick, it means keeping them out of the line of fire while the rest of us spread the virus around for as short a time as possible. Will some get sick and die? Of course, but immortality is not an option. |
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Post by 54695469 on Apr 29, 2020 17:52:57 GMT -6
I totally understand the herd immunity and all of that stuff...and that we have to get back to work and all. But, as we know, there are coaches - HC and assistants - that are gonna be vulnerable. I can think of a bunch in our area. Are these guys really going to be willing to lay it ALL on the line?
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Post by carookie on Apr 29, 2020 18:54:14 GMT -6
I totally understand the herd immunity and all of that stuff...and that we have to get back to work and all. But, as we know, there are coaches - HC and assistants - that are gonna be vulnerable. I can think of a bunch in our area. Are these guys really going to be willing to lay it ALL on the line?NO, nor would I if I were in their situation. Assuming that it is actually safe for most to go out in intermingle the thats the issue I think being implied: should everyone stop doing something just because some people can't? Now I know we live in America where the lawsuits of the few outweighs the will of the many; so I don't know. |
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Post by bobgoodman on Apr 30, 2020 7:34:12 GMT -6
I totally understand the herd immunity and all of that stuff...and that we have to get back to work and all. But, as we know, there are coaches - HC and assistants - that are gonna be vulnerable. I can think of a bunch in our area. Are these guys really going to be willing to lay it ALL on the line?NO, nor would I if I were in their situation. Assuming that it is actually safe for most to go out in intermingle the thats the issue I think being implied: should everyone stop doing something just because some people can't? Now I know we live in America where the lawsuits of the few outweighs the will of the many; so I don't know. How are you going to sue over going back to work when you shouldn't? If you had an accident, you'd take time off work to heal, right? If you returned to work too early and reinjured yourself, whose fault is that? The business's, for still being in business? If they'd kept schools in session this spring, by this fall the threat to the vulnerable would've subsided. If they reopen the schools in the fall, what's wrong with the older and sicker among the teachers (and coaches) taking a semester off? How is that worse than everybody taking an indefinite period off, in the knowledge that the problem will still be there whenever normal business resumes? |
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Post by carookie on Apr 30, 2020 8:41:03 GMT -6
NO, nor would I if I were in their situation. Assuming that it is actually safe for most to go out in intermingle the thats the issue I think being implied: should everyone stop doing something just because some people can't? Now I know we live in America where the lawsuits of the few outweighs the will of the many; so I don't know. How are you going to sue over going back to work when you shouldn't? If you had an accident, you'd take time off work to heal, right? If you returned to work too early and reinjured yourself, whose fault is that? The business's, for still being in business? If they'd kept schools in session this spring, by this fall the threat to the vulnerable would've subsided. If they reopen the schools in the fall, what's wrong with the older and sicker among the teachers (and coaches) taking a semester off? How is that worse than everybody taking an indefinite period off, in the knowledge that the problem will still be there whenever normal business resumes? Im not writing theyd sue. I was implying that in our culture, often times, if there is a small group who is unable to do something that the rest can do they become litigious- and as such we cow tau to them. In this case, there is a small group, the population who would be more vulnerable to Covid 19, for whom it would be riskier for them to return to coaching. So my thought was that, if it is shown to be safe for the majority of society to return to larger groups and restart football, we may still choose not to because it would be unfair to the group that cannot. |
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Post by bobgoodman on Apr 30, 2020 13:21:34 GMT -6
How are you going to sue over going back to work when you shouldn't? If you had an accident, you'd take time off work to heal, right? If you returned to work too early and reinjured yourself, whose fault is that? The business's, for still being in business? If they'd kept schools in session this spring, by this fall the threat to the vulnerable would've subsided. If they reopen the schools in the fall, what's wrong with the older and sicker among the teachers (and coaches) taking a semester off? How is that worse than everybody taking an indefinite period off, in the knowledge that the problem will still be there whenever normal business resumes? Im not writing theyd sue. I was implying that in our culture, often times, if there is a small group who is unable to do something that the rest can do they become litigious- and as such we cow tau to them. In this case, there is a small group, the population who would be more vulnerable to Covid 19, for whom it would be riskier for them to return to coaching. So my thought was that, if it is shown to be safe for the majority of society to return to larger groups and restart football, we may still choose not to because it would be unfair to the group that cannot. I would just hope dog-in-the-manger thinking would not prevail in society, because it's to nobody's gain. What I could see would be them acting as a pressure group, saying they will be like the dog in the manger if we don't pay them compensation -- pay them as if they did work during a time it would've been risky for them to do so. An additional round of unemployment benefit. Which actually seems reasonable. |
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Post by 54695469 on Apr 30, 2020 15:52:09 GMT -6
A head coach should just take the Fall semester off? Just tell the team, "Good luck, boys. See y'all next Spring! Can't see that happening!
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