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Post by coachscdub on Mar 31, 2020 17:38:11 GMT -6
In regards to your own philosophical views in regards to how much you install with your kids what is your stance on this. Both sides have evidence of success, both sides have merit and make sense, but both are polar opposites of each other.
'If you do a few things you must prepare for the enemy, if you do many things the enemy must prepare for you' - Sun Tzu
'I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times' - Bruce Lee
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Post by mrjvi on Mar 31, 2020 17:39:56 GMT -6
I have to side with Bruce. I'm a DW guy.
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Post by bluboy on Mar 31, 2020 17:46:01 GMT -6
I also side with Bruce Lee.
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Post by vanden48 on Mar 31, 2020 17:50:35 GMT -6
I will go with Chuck Norris.
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Post by bobgoodman on Mar 31, 2020 18:16:56 GMT -6
I'm more with Lao Tzu than with Sun Tzu, but I can't take sides in what is a trade-off. At any instant you might be better practicing what you have one more time, or you might be better trying to learn one more thing. And that goes as much for the individual player as for the team.
The law of diminishing returns applies to both sides.
I've often argued here that, "Have you prepared for this situation?" can sometimes be answered, "Not specifically, but if our other preparations are good enough, the likelihood of this situation coming up and making a competitive difference is diminished." In general, though, you have to ask how often a situation will come up as a factor in how much (if any) time to give to practicing it. So for instance, a package of plays you trot out only for touchdown conversions may never get used, and if they do, the most you can do is score 2 points off any of them, and maybe you'd be better off practicing the more common stuff to increase the likelihood that you won't need those 2 points. But if you ever do get in that situation, all you're going to think is either how sorry or glad you were that you didn't/did practice them.
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Post by coachwoodall on Mar 31, 2020 19:51:52 GMT -6
I'm all for being good at what you're good at, but the reality is that you can be good at what you're good at and still not be able to manage what you face.
If I'm running a program I want to be able to do what I want to do, but also flexible enough to manage my conflicts.
I don't see these philosophies as mutually exclusive. Sun Tzu says to be like the river... flexible. Bruce Lee says to master your craft. Each doesn't cancel out the other.
Successful coaches know how to be good at what they do, but at the same time be able to adapt to the situation at hand.
It has been said that if Bear Bryant was coaching in the early 1980's he'd be a Run-n-Shoot guy.
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Post by CS on Apr 1, 2020 4:38:15 GMT -6
As with most dichotomies, the answer lies somewhere in the middle of the 2 philosophies. You don't want to do so little that you don't have answers and you don't want to do so much that the kids are confused and look sloppy.
I chose Bruce Lee because I would rather have a team that looks well-coached at very few things than a sloppy looking team that does a million things. But in reality, the answer is in the middle.
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Post by blb on Apr 1, 2020 5:39:21 GMT -6
I'm all for being good at what you're good at, but the reality is that you can be good at what you're good at and still not be able to manage what you face. If I'm running a program I want to be able to do what I want to do, but also flexible enough to manage my conflicts. I don't see these philosophies as mutually exclusive. Sun Tzu says to be like the river... flexible. Bruce Lee says to master your craft. Each doesn't cancel out the other. Successful coaches know how to be good at what they do, but at the same time be able to adapt to the situation at hand. It has been said that if Bear Bryant was coaching in the early 1980's he'd be a Run-n-Shoot guy.
Not to pick nits but Bear did coach in the early '80s (his last year was 1982).
Bear had already been a passing coach in the '60s. Remember he had Joe Namath and Ken Stabler as QBs.
But after a couple back-to-back 6-5 seasons he changed to the Wishbone and in his last 12 years had nine double-digit win seasons and three NCs, dominated SEC even more than he had previously.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 1, 2020 7:30:51 GMT -6
Mike Tyson- "Everybody has a plan. Until they get punched in the mouth."
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Post by Defcord on Apr 1, 2020 7:33:17 GMT -6
I picked Bruce Lee, but also feel it’s both.
To me the Bruce Lee aspect is applicable more to the fundamentals.
Where as the Sun Tzu portion has merit in the schematics.
You don’t need to surprise people with how you tackle them, you need a solid and reliable approach. While you may need to have variation in your playing calling to get your tackler to the ball carrier more effectively.
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Post by Defcord on Apr 1, 2020 7:44:39 GMT -6
I'm all for being good at what you're good at, but the reality is that you can be good at what you're good at and still not be able to manage what you face. If I'm running a program I want to be able to do what I want to do, but also flexible enough to manage my conflicts. I don't see these philosophies as mutually exclusive. Sun Tzu says to be like the river... flexible. Bruce Lee says to master your craft. Each doesn't cancel out the other. Successful coaches know how to be good at what they do, but at the same time be able to adapt to the situation at hand. It has been said that if Bear Bryant was coaching in the early 1980's he'd be a Run-n-Shoot guy.
Not to pick nits but Bear did coach in the early '80s (his last year was 1982).
Bear had already been a passing coach in the '60s. Remember he had Joe Namath and Ken Stabler as QBs.
But after a couple back-to-back 6-5 seasons he changed to the Wishbone and in his last 12 years had nine double-digit win seasons and three NCs, dominated SEC even more than he had previously.
I always wonder if Bear Bryant would have been fired after that 1970 season in today’s college football climate. After going undefeated in 1966 they slipped 8-2-1; 8-3, 6-5, 6-5. Sports were weird then. I appreciate the history of Coach Bryant but the 1973 season’s championship seems shady. They lost the bowl game to an undefeated and third ranked Notre Dame but still were considered the champions. Maybe make up for the 11-0 1966 team that missed out to the Norte Dame and Michigan state who ended their seasons in a tie against each other. Pretty interesting stuff but I suppose for another thread. |
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Post by coachcb on Apr 1, 2020 7:48:43 GMT -6
Have enough tools in the tool box but be able to use those tools effectively. We want to be fundamentally sound with what we do but we also need schematic answers to defensive problems. We don't need five answers to a defensive problem; we really only need ONE. And, we make sure that the schematic solution covers multiple defensive issues.
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Post by bignose on Apr 1, 2020 8:06:08 GMT -6
Given my druthers:
I'd like to be able to line up, run 5-6 plays, win and goes home.
But that is seldom the case.
So I have to adopt the philosophy of: If you can't blind them with brilliance, you have to baffle them with bull$hit.
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Post by s73 on Apr 1, 2020 9:00:18 GMT -6
Given my druthers: I'd like to be able to line up, run 5-6 plays, win and goes home. But that is seldom the case. So I have to adopt the philosophy of: If you can't blind them with brilliance, you have to baffle them with bull$hit. Well said. |
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Post by fadepattern on Apr 1, 2020 9:38:08 GMT -6
If Sun Tzu was an offensive coordinator he would definitely line up in multiple formations while using only one personnel package.
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Post by mariner42 on Apr 1, 2020 10:22:07 GMT -6
I'm a different vein of Bruce:
“You must be shapeless, formless, like water. When you pour water in a cup, it becomes the cup. When you pour water in a bottle, it becomes the bottle. When you pour water in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Water can drip and it can crash. Become like water my friend.”
If you're not adaptable, you're going to run into trouble. Exception being when you're just straight-up, across the board better.
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Post by fantom on Apr 1, 2020 10:27:30 GMT -6
Not to pick nits but Bear did coach in the early '80s (his last year was 1982).
Bear had already been a passing coach in the '60s. Remember he had Joe Namath and Ken Stabler as QBs.
But after a couple back-to-back 6-5 seasons he changed to the Wishbone and in his last 12 years had nine double-digit win seasons and three NCs, dominated SEC even more than he had previously.
I always wonder if Bear Bryant would have been fired after that 1970 season in today’s college football climate. After going undefeated in 1966 they slipped 8-2-1; 8-3, 6-5, 6-5. Sports were weird then. I appreciate the history of Coach Bryant but the 1973 season’s championship seems shady. They lost the bowl game to an undefeated and third ranked Notre Dame but still were considered the champions. Maybe make up for the 11-0 1966 team that missed out to the Norte Dame and Michigan state who ended their seasons in a tie against each other. Pretty interesting stuff but I suppose for another thread. One of the services named their champ before the bowl games were played. |
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Post by stilltryin on Apr 1, 2020 10:30:12 GMT -6
Get 'em both ... but if it's one or the other, gotta go with the Bruce Lee quote.
The difference between defending a Wing T or triple option team vs. defending the same concept against a team that is so well-drilled that everything's coming at you at what seems like light speed is like day vs. night.
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Post by coachtua on Apr 7, 2020 13:19:15 GMT -6
For our situation I go with Bruce. "Be water my friend."
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Post by spos21ram on Apr 7, 2020 17:36:04 GMT -6
We run the Single Wing and basically run 6 plays.....obviously im siding with bruce lee.
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Post by CS on Apr 7, 2020 17:53:40 GMT -6
Get 'em both ... but if it's one or the other, gotta go with the Bruce Lee quote. The difference between defending a Wing T or triple option team vs. defending the same concept against a team that is so well-drilled that everything's coming at you at what seems like light speed is like day vs. night. I don’t understand. Are you using wing t and option coaches as an example of teams that Do too much? Because in my experience it’s the opposite. Every spread OC I have ever met has to hide his hard on after a long weekend of college football watching |
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