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Post by 54695469 on Mar 27, 2020 15:16:40 GMT -6
I know that no one really knows, but what are your guesses, thoughts, predictions regarding the 2020 season at the HS level?
I feel bad for kids that might lose their senior season or for teams that were expecting big things - IF the session is cancelled.
What are your thoughts?
Season cancelled? No fans in the stands? No Gatorade squirt bottles on the sidelines?
...or does this whole virus thing just blow over and become a distant memory?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 15:57:40 GMT -6
I know that no one really knows, but what are your guesses, thoughts, predictions regarding the 2020 season at the HS level? I feel bad for kids that might lose their senior season or for teams that were expecting big things - IF the session is cancelled. What are your thoughts? Season cancelled? No fans in the stands? No Gatorade squirt bottles on the sidelines? ...or does this whole virus thing just blow over and become a distant memory? As of right now, i would say its going to be a long summer, and whenever things get back to normal, that recovery, whatever activity it is, will be almost as jolting. |
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Post by 54695469 on Mar 27, 2020 16:06:22 GMT -6
I know that spring sports are feeling it now... but if the season is cancelled, what about kids being recruited? Will eligibility rules be amended, allowing a "young" senior the opportunity to play in 2021 if he's willing to repeat his senior year? Will local florists be able to survive without the 2020 run on homecoming mums? Will coaches still be paid their stipends? Will equipment - like helmets - still need to be reconditioned next spring? Will the uniforms that you ordered for this fall still be "cool" in 2021? If your school provides student insurance for the athletes, will you get a refund? What will Band Directors do? Will cheerleaders still have to spend a week at camp in the summer? 7 on 7...gone? Do you refund the money you made with your fundraiser? Lots to ponder...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 17:28:25 GMT -6
I know that spring sports are feeling it now... but if the season is cancelled, what about kids being recruited? Will eligibility rules be amended, allowing a "young" senior the opportunity to play in 2021 if he's willing to repeat his senior year? Will local florists be able to survive without the 2020 run on homecoming mums? Will coaches still be paid their stipends? Will equipment - like helmets - still need to be reconditioned next spring? Will the uniforms that you ordered for this fall still be "cool" in 2021? If your school provides student insurance for the athletes, will you get a refund? What will Band Directors do? Will cheerleaders still have to spend a week at camp in the summer? 7 on 7...gone? Do you refund the money you made with your fundraiser? Lots to ponder... I am not a believer in its the end of world. It is going to be inconvenient, if not maddening, but at some point, staying home, being safe will have another affect. It’s not healthy or good for the mental state. At some point, people will throw caution to the wind. I dont know what they would do with the academics. I know that the academic in my county are all set. They are going to promote and graduate everybody regardless of grades. And I can see that being a popular move across the country. We will survive, this to shall pass. |
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Post by mrjvi on Mar 27, 2020 18:07:38 GMT -6
NY just pushed school back 2 more weeks until the 15th. My guess is spring may be in trouble but summer things return. It might also be regional based on the virus. I have trouble believing they would totally let the economy tank. Just my opinion.
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Post by freezeoption on Mar 27, 2020 18:29:57 GMT -6
You got four years there is no injury or red shirt in high school. If cancelled they will go on to college. I don't think states want to go down that slippery slope. It will suck.
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Post by wingtol on Mar 27, 2020 18:33:41 GMT -6
Everyone is in panic mode right now. People are making rash decisions without pausing to think into the future too much if you ask me. Places that have shut down for the rest of the year baffle me, at least here they are going in two week chunks to asses the situation. But in our day and age once that snowball starts rolling down the hill no one wants to be the one that says "lets use a little common sense here and not panic".
All it's going to take is for one state to shut down fall sports and then you will see others racing to join that club to prove how progressive they are. We have let the genie out of the bottle and it will be almost impossible to get it back in now.
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Post by realdawg on Mar 28, 2020 6:02:22 GMT -6
Football coaches should be running the country! I am sure spring is done. Summer is 50/50. I still think we will play bc August is 4 months away. If we have not gotten over this thing in 4 month then we better learn how to live with it. Bc we cant live like this forever. NC just announced a 30 day stay at home order. I told me wife, if these 30 days dont cure it then we might as well go back to normal and deal with it bc it wasnt gonna get cured.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 28, 2020 6:11:02 GMT -6
I still think we will play bc August is 4 months away. If we have not gotten over this thing in 4 month then we better learn how to live with it. That's the same day the Olympics were supposed to end and we see how that ended up. |
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Post by bleefb on Mar 28, 2020 6:36:03 GMT -6
Football coaches should be running the country!
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Post by creid on Mar 28, 2020 6:55:17 GMT -6
Football coaches should be running the country!
That's a frightening thought! Dwight Eisenhower coached some ball... |
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Post by bobgoodman on Mar 28, 2020 7:49:00 GMT -6
You got four years there is no injury or red shirt in high school. If cancelled they will go on to college. I don't think states want to go down that slippery slope. It will suck. That was my thought too at first, but then I thought, what if there are places on a trimester or quarter system where they don't just pass everybody who missed spring this year, but instead make them take the missed courses in the fall? If they're seniors, why not let them play fall sports (again)? I don't think that'll be a popular decision, because it'd make for some crowded schools for part of a term, but when you consider how much below capacity many schools have been for years, it could happen. When World War 2 ended, colleges in the USA saw a great influx of undergrads, including some completing their senior year. In 1946 Crisler deliberately installed the most sophisticated football offense the University of Michigan had ever had, because he knew he'd have a bunch of older and experienced players available. |
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Post by freezeoption on Mar 28, 2020 8:00:47 GMT -6
I know at my school we are still giving out work. The number one focus is to get seniors to graduate. Then the others.
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Post by wolverine55 on Mar 28, 2020 8:39:58 GMT -6
You got four years there is no injury or red shirt in high school. If cancelled they will go on to college. I don't think states want to go down that slippery slope. It will suck. That was my thought too at first, but then I thought, what if there are places on a trimester or quarter system where they don't just pass everybody who missed spring this year, but instead make them take the missed courses in the fall? If they're seniors, why not let them play fall sports (again)? I don't think that'll be a popular decision, because it'd make for some crowded schools for part of a term, but when you consider how much below capacity many schools have been for years, it could happen. When World War 2 ended, colleges in the USA saw a great influx of undergrads, including some completing their senior year. In 1946 Crisler deliberately installed the most sophisticated football offense the University of Michigan had ever had, because he knew he'd have a bunch of older and experienced players available. The negative feedback would be so tremendous I can't imagine any high school going down this route, honestly. And, probably not needed given the availability of online options. |
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Post by Coach.A on Mar 28, 2020 9:07:34 GMT -6
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Post by s73 on Mar 28, 2020 9:37:11 GMT -6
On the one hand I want FB as much as anybody. On the other hand, you start up and some kid gets it, besides the obvious health concerns, that would be an absolute mess.
Teams having to cancel games, practices, leaving schedules a mess.
If this thing passes and the experts think it's good to go then Amen. But, as Herbstreit said in the above article, might be wiser to wait until we have a vaccine.
Again, I want to coach as much as anybody, but do I want to coach in a situation where every time a kid has a sniffle we have to have some corona protocol to go with the concussion protocol and the whatever else protocol we already deal with?
What a confusing landscape we live in no?
PS - Working a semester w/ no sports in the fall? What a dismal experience that would be for all involved. Right / wrong or otherwise, sports keep a lot of kids in line and making better decisions in and outside of school than they would otherwise.
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Post by Defcord on Mar 28, 2020 12:20:00 GMT -6
On the one hand I want FB as much as anybody. On the other hand, you start up and some kid gets it, besides the obvious health concerns, that would be an absolute mess. Teams having to cancel games, practices, leaving schedules a mess. If this thing passes and the experts think it's good to go then Amen. But, as Herbstreit said in the above article, might be wiser to wait until we have a vaccine. Again, I want to coach as much as anybody, but do I want to coach in a situation where every time a kid has a sniffle we have to have some corona protocol to go with the concussion protocol and the whatever else protocol we already deal with? What a confusing landscape we live in no? PS - Working a semester w/ no sports in the fall? What a dismal experience that would be for all involved. Right / wrong or otherwise, sports keep a lot of kids in line and making better decisions in and outside of school than they would otherwise. Along with this there could be financial burdens for coaches if there is no season. At our school we haven’t signed our contracts for next year. If there is any early announcement that there will be no football season, I don’t know what would our district would do regard to extra days on contracts and coaching stipends. I work at a rural a school and the hit would be felt but not significant enough to change my family’s lifestyle. There are tall tales of coaches in this area getting 40 days and stipends as high as 33% of their teach contracts. To lose that would be drastic. I know others in this economy are feeling the pains worse than teachers right now but if things don’t get back to normal by football season, this could have a serious impact on many of us as well. |
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Post by CS on Mar 28, 2020 12:29:13 GMT -6
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 28, 2020 13:26:46 GMT -6
Everyone is in panic mode right now. People are making rash decisions without pausing to think into the future too much if you ask me. Places that have shut down for the rest of the year baffle me, at least here they are going in two week chunks to asses the situation. But in our day and age once that snowball starts rolling down the hill no one wants to be the one that says "lets use a little common sense here and not panic". All it's going to take is for one state to shut down fall sports and then you will see others racing to join that club to prove how progressive they are. We have let the genie out of the bottle and it will be almost impossible to get it back in now. I am not sure where you are located, but I think people are making decisions without looking into the future as well, but in a completely different meaning. For example, in Louisiana two weeks ago, the general public (not the Governor, he did a good job on most aspects in my opinion. Go West Point!) should have looked at the data and said "Ok, we currently have 2 cases of the virus. Based on the data from other locations and on other circumstances (such as population density and Mardi Gras) in 2 weeks we project about 3,000 cases. The scientists were saying these things, but nobody wanted to really listen. People don't seem to appreciate the exponential growth factor even now. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 28, 2020 13:30:23 GMT -6
I still think we will play bc August is 4 months away. If we have not gotten over this thing in 4 month then we better learn how to live with it. That's the same day the Olympics were supposed to end and we see how that ended up. The Olympics weren't cancelled just because of virus fears four months into the future. They were cancelled because of the insurmountable obstacles facing organizers, athletes and fans between now an then. Things such as hosting trials, uncertainty in travel, training conditions etc all played a major factor. With regards to those issues, HS football is in a vastly different league than the Olympic Games. |
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Post by bleefb on Mar 28, 2020 14:25:11 GMT -6
That's a frightening thought! Dwight Eisenhower coached some ball...
I don't think that's what got him the job. |
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Post by realdawg on Mar 28, 2020 15:27:54 GMT -6
At some point if social distancing and stay at home orders don’t work within the next 30 days then we have to get on with our lives and learn how to deal with this disease. We can’t shelter in place forever. I understand the need for it currently. Especially in places like NY but feel like by the end of April or sometime in May we have to start getting back to normal. I also don’t understand how if we can put a man on the friggin moon we can’t come up with a treatment for this disease in a month and make enough of it so that there isn’t a supply problem. But maybe that’s all why I’m a football coach and not a politician or researcher.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 28, 2020 16:06:03 GMT -6
At some point if social distancing and stay at home orders don’t work within the next 30 days then we have to get on with our lives and learn how to deal with this disease. We can’t shelter in place forever. I understand the need for it currently. Especially in places like NY but feel like by the end of April or sometime in May we have to start getting back to normal. I also don’t understand how if we can put a man on the friggin moon we can’t come up with a treatment for this disease in a month and make enough of it so that there isn’t a supply problem. But maybe that’s all why I’m a football coach and not a politician or researcher. Well, it did take about a decade to put a man on the moon.... Not that I think it is terribly likely, and it is an incredibly depressing thought, but there is a chance (small) that this is the "new normal" for quite a while. Dinosaurs were the dominant species for 100s of millions of years..until they were not. It used to take a month to get from New York City to the Mississippi River. Now it doesn't. 90% of population used to live and work on farms. That isn't the norm anymore. |
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Post by huddlehut on Mar 28, 2020 17:14:46 GMT -6
I dunno, guys. How many times have you heard of something being cancelled "out of an abundance of caution" or "if this step saves just one life it will have been worth it?"
I agree with an earlier post that felt that it'll only take one state to cancel and all the rest will follow like lemmings - even if the worst of this virus is behind us by July or August.
Some folks love to virtue signal and speak out for others... I fear that there are not enough administrators and/or politicians out there who are willing to put their necks on the line and fight through a possibly messy football season - especially with elections in November.
I'm really afraid that we'll hear these words sometime in August (in most, if not all, states): "Out of an abundance of caution, we have seen fit to cancel the 2020 Fall athletic schedules for all of the public and private schools in our great state."
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Post by kylem56 on Mar 28, 2020 18:09:43 GMT -6
I think we will have a season. Maybe depending on where you are , nothing in June, maybe not given the OK to workout until after the 4th of July or maybe not even until August 1, but I am a glass-half-drank kinda guy and I think theres going to be football in 2020. For the really hard hit areas like NYC, Seattle, maybe not. I hope for every schools, kid, and communities sake, that there is football.
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Post by badtotheflexbone on Mar 28, 2020 21:08:35 GMT -6
So much ignorance posted by some coaches here holy SH*T!#@%@ all so you can have your football season wow.Then again, I"m not surprised because this is the typical American me,me,me culture. I want football just as bad as the next guy but I understand the current evolving situation based on quick research from medical and disease experts. (You have no excuse you have time to look it up on YT, Google)
I find it hard to believe the ones complaining truly understand some key concepts here exponential growth, why we can't have a miracle cure in 2 days, why we need to isolate. GOD DAMN FLAT EARTHERS mentality
And this is from someone who isn't even "seriously" (young healthy no existing pre-conditions) affected by the disease YET I'd be damn ashamed of myself if I were to spread this to someone's dad, mom, brother, sister, grandparent, grandma, etc..
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Post by s73 on Mar 28, 2020 21:15:37 GMT -6
My fear is we have FB but at the first sniffle we have a "protocol" in place & then from week to week we don't know who we can play & who we can't. I want football but in a "normal" situation. If we have a new normal, IDK, could be pretty stressful.
We'll see soon enough I guess.
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Post by kylem56 on Mar 28, 2020 21:17:14 GMT -6
So much ignorance posted by some coaches here holy SH*T!#@%@ all so you can have your football season wow.Then again, I"m not surprised because this is the typical American me,me,me culture. I want football just as bad as the next guy but I understand the current evolving situation based on quick research from medical and disease experts. (You have no excuse you have time to look it up on YT, Google) I find it hard to believe the ones complaining truly understand some key concepts here exponential growth, why we can't have a miracle cure in 2 days, why we need to isolate. GOD DAMN FLAT EARTHERS mentality And this is from someone who isn't even "seriously" (young healthy no existing pre-conditions) affected by the disease YET I'd be damn ashamed of myself if I were to spread this to someone's dad, mom, brother, sister, grandparent, grandma, etc.. So you're pissed because coaches are asking others thoughts on whether there will be a 2020 season? I don't think anyone here is disregarding or ignorant of the devastation this pandemic has caused on multiple levels, maybe people just want something to look forward to? |
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Post by badtotheflexbone on Mar 28, 2020 21:21:37 GMT -6
So much ignorance posted by some coaches here holy SH*T!#@%@ all so you can have your football season wow.Then again, I"m not surprised because this is the typical American me,me,me culture. I want football just as bad as the next guy but I understand the current evolving situation based on quick research from medical and disease experts. (You have no excuse you have time to look it up on YT, Google) I find it hard to believe the ones complaining truly understand some key concepts here exponential growth, why we can't have a miracle cure in 2 days, why we need to isolate. GOD DAMN FLAT EARTHERS mentality And this is from someone who isn't even "seriously" (young healthy no existing pre-conditions) affected by the disease YET I'd be damn ashamed of myself if I were to spread this to someone's dad, mom, brother, sister, grandparent, grandma, etc.. So you're pissed because coaches are asking others thoughts on whether there will be a 2020 season? I don't think anyone here is disregarding or ignorant of the devastation this pandemic has caused on multiple levels, maybe people just want something to look forward to? Nope not at all the wondering if there will be a football season, IMO that's actually a healthy thing to do. My response was towards some of the ignorant comments I just read, I should've specified but I'll just leave it at that. |
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Post by fantom on Mar 29, 2020 5:27:17 GMT -6
If you think that the only way to have a football season is to do things the way that they're done now you may be right that there's no way to play this year. Things haven't always been done this way, though.
I graduated HS in 1970 and old timers like myself and a few others here remember how differently things were done. When football season ended the players moved on. Some played other sports, some got jobs, some just acted like normal teenagers. Coaches may have had a few team meetings and passed out information about how to do things individually to get in shape but few schools had organized programs and those that did ran programs that would be considered laughably half-a$$ed my today's standards.
Football started when practice officially started in August. Because players had to practice their way into getting into shape, games started later. That meant that playoffs were shorter.
You know what? There was still football, Some teams were good and some were bad, just like it is today.
Maybe the new normal will be the old normal and maybe that would be a good thing.
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