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Post by coachjwilkes on Mar 4, 2020 20:44:53 GMT -6
Does anyone utilize any of the systems such as Atavus for tackling analytics? If so, is the data worthwhile and worth the costs? Just looking to get some more insight from those that may be using it.
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Post by coachwoodall on Mar 4, 2020 21:04:06 GMT -6
Explain
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Post by coachjwilkes on Mar 5, 2020 11:36:15 GMT -6
The company analyzes your tackling from games that provides cutups and data to help improve tackling weekly. Just looking to see if I can get some feedback from anyone that uses it.
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Post by fshamrock on Mar 5, 2020 12:44:51 GMT -6
I thought their tackling videos were very well done and useful. The analytics thing seems like overkill to me though, but I haven't used it. We did our own "in house" tackling analytics, I'll share how we broke it down in case that's something interesting to you.
We broke tackling down into three phases
Approach - getting to the ballcarrier
Contact - making contact with proper fundamentals
Finish - getting the sucker to the ground
We then labeled every missed tackle on the year and gave created a column in HUDL and labled them A,C, or F
what we found out?
about 85% of our missed tackles had to do with approach/leverage. I have no idea what we are going to do with this information, because the sad fact is most of those leverage issues have to do with us being slow and the ball carrier being like way fast.
I could stare at the near hip of a jack rabbit all day but I'm not catching the damn thing
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Post by coachjwilkes on Mar 5, 2020 14:26:01 GMT -6
I thought their tackling videos were very well done and useful. The analytics thing seems like overkill to me though, but I haven't used it. We did our own "in house" tackling analytics, I'll share how we broke it down in case that's something interesting to you. We broke tackling down into three phases Approach - getting to the ballcarrier Contact - making contact with proper fundamentals Finish - getting the sucker to the ground We then labeled every missed tackle on the year and gave created a column in HUDL and labled them A,C, or F what we found out? about 85% of our missed tackles had to do with approach/leverage. I have no idea what we are going to do with this information, because the sad fact is most of those leverage issues have to do with us being slow and the ball carrier being like way fast. I could stare at the near hip of a jack rabbit all day but I'm not catching the damn thing Thanks for sharing. I like how you broke down the phases, good stuff! |
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Post by natenator on Mar 5, 2020 16:58:03 GMT -6
I thought their tackling videos were very well done and useful. The analytics thing seems like overkill to me though, but I haven't used it. We did our own "in house" tackling analytics, I'll share how we broke it down in case that's something interesting to you. We broke tackling down into three phases Approach - getting to the ballcarrier Contact - making contact with proper fundamentals Finish - getting the sucker to the ground We then labeled every missed tackle on the year and gave created a column in HUDL and labled them A,C, or F what we found out? about 85% of our missed tackles had to do with approach/leverage. I have no idea what we are going to do with this information, because the sad fact is most of those leverage issues have to do with us being slow and the ball carrier being like way fast. I could stare at the near hip of a jack rabbit all day but I'm not catching the damn thing Since you brought up leverage as the problem and speed differences I would find out what happened to the front side leverage? The idea behind leverage tackling is that you have a force player squeezing the ball carrier back inside to the tackler. Speed differential shouldn't come into play with a front side leverage player. Perhaps that is where to focus some of your efforts? Figuring out what that player is doing and if they are experiencing impediments that prevent them from being effective in helping to secure the ball carrier? Just a thought. |
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Post by tpardy21 on Mar 5, 2020 21:53:00 GMT -6
I usually track all forms of analytics myself using Excel and just watching film.
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Post by rudyrude9 on Mar 6, 2020 15:59:55 GMT -6
I thought their tackling videos were very well done and useful. The analytics thing seems like overkill to me though, but I haven't used it. We did our own "in house" tackling analytics, I'll share how we broke it down in case that's something interesting to you. We broke tackling down into three phases Approach - getting to the ballcarrier Contact - making contact with proper fundamentals Finish - getting the sucker to the ground We then labeled every missed tackle on the year and gave created a column in HUDL and labled them A,C, or F what we found out? about 85% of our missed tackles had to do with approach/leverage. I have no idea what we are going to do with this information, because the sad fact is most of those leverage issues have to do with us being slow and the ball carrier being like way fast. I could stare at the near hip of a jack rabbit all day but I'm not catching the damn thing I did this once too back when I was a DC. Made a playlist on hudl of every single missed tackle for an entire season. I found the same issue, poor leverage on the ball carrier was the #1 reason we missed tackles. Mostly inside leverage players over running it. The next year we made this the number one focus of all of our tackling drills. You are either an inside hip player or an outside hip player. It was a very productive exercise. Brings back good memories. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 7, 2020 11:04:08 GMT -6
The company analyzes your tackling from games that provides cutups and data to help improve tackling weekly. Just looking to see if I can get some feedback from anyone that uses it. Maybe the game has passed me by, but isn't that what the coaching staff is supposed to do? |
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Post by 44dlcoach on Mar 7, 2020 19:58:24 GMT -6
We tried to look into them but never found enough information to feel like we knew what we would be purchasing.
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Post by 54695469 on Mar 7, 2020 21:15:34 GMT -6
How about this for analytics?
If your guy tackled the ball carrier all the way to the ground, it was a good tackle. If the ball carrier kept running after a tackle was attempted, it was not a good tackle.
Why send this off to be analyzed?
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Post by aceback76 on Mar 7, 2020 21:47:30 GMT -6
Since the OP wasn't about HOW to teach tackling, but who do you use to ANALYZE your tackling:
If we need anyone to analyze our tackling, we ask two of the BEST tacklers ever to play in the NFL to do so.
#1 James Farrior = who played for us 4 years (All Pro LB with the Steelers, who LED the NFL in tackles on more than one occasion), and,
#2 Willie Lanier = HOF LB who lives locally (& broadcast some of our games). A deadly tackler.
BOTH used the same form we teach.
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Post by blb on Mar 8, 2020 7:11:31 GMT -6
If we need anyone to analyze our tackling, we ask two of the BEST tacklers ever to play in the NFL to do so. #1 James Farrior = who played for us 4 years (All Pro LB with the Steelers, who LED the NFL in tackles on more than one occasion), and, #2 Willie Lanier = HOF LB who lives locally (& broadcast some of our games). A deadly tackler. BOTH used the same form.
That is very helpful to the rest of us.
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Post by carookie on Mar 8, 2020 11:39:21 GMT -6
How about this for analytics? If your guy tackled the ball carrier all the way to the ground, it was a good tackle. If the ball carrier kept running after a tackle was attempted, it was not a good tackle. Why send this off to be analyzed? I think the premise is trying to figure out WHY he didn't tackle him all the way to the ground to see if there is a consistent cause for these failed tackles to specifically address and work on. |
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