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Post by airraider on Jul 31, 2006 7:55:45 GMT -6
How well do you break down the opposition?
In the past we do a pretty good job of breaking down the other team's offense and seeing their tendencies... But I am thinking this year of doing a lot better job.
Several times last year I found that certain teams give up way too much info on plays. We played one team who opened up on the blast, but reversed on on the counter. Every play they ran the ball except for the lead draw had the QB's back initially going where the ball was going. We picked up on it and we held them to 34 rushing yards in the game.
Another instance was we had a Wing-T team who's QB would have his feet set even in any thing other than a drop back pass. On drop backs he would put his right foot back to get out faster. This didnt help us too much in any one way because they may have only dropped back 4 times in the game. But still you get the idea.
There are far too many linemen who give up run or pass by their stance. Far too many kids who look down at the ground on a no play call. Far too many Kids who take every 3rd play off.
I think that this year I am going to try for the first game or two and chart every player on the field and put his actions in a database and see what he does in terms of pass plays vs run plays or 1st down vs 3rd down.
It might now show much, but you never know. Its going to be a lot of work, but hey.. I like that kind of work..
I will keep yall updated on any interesting finds.
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Post by stone65 on Jul 31, 2006 8:57:17 GMT -6
Do that. I am intrested in learing how to break down opponents better myself.
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Post by Mav on Jul 31, 2006 8:58:05 GMT -6
How do you video scout? If you're still using vhs tapes you'll be amazed at how much scouting informaiton you can get by utilizing digital video. The scouting videos are loaded on a laptop and broken down into play clips. Anytime you have a thought or question - like how does their stance differ from pass to run - you can instantly call up several run plays, then compare it to a group of pass plays. Let's face it, we rarely ever did this type of analysis with tapes -- like you stated, 'it's a lot of work' to get to the specific clips. Check out the different digital editing systems - you can spend several thousand to nothing and get the same results. The expensive systems may save you an hour or 2 a week, but they all get to the same results. Let me know if you're interested and I could help you out.
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Post by fbdoc on Jul 31, 2006 9:20:45 GMT -6
We are a small school, most coaches are off-campus, so the head coach (me) does all of it. We get two tapes per week for the upcoming opponent and we're still doing it the old fashioned way. I try to get any down / distance, field / boundary, and personnel tendancies without overloading our kids with too much information.
It's all important stuff but the kids still have to line up and block and tackle. If we can get them to identify strong side, find the threat(s) for their responsibility, and then communicate and execute we feel that we have a chance for success.
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Post by brophy on May 18, 2007 14:23:57 GMT -6
has anyone ever visited a psychic to help them game plan?
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Post by coachjim on May 18, 2007 15:10:17 GMT -6
I should, it couldn't hurt.
Although knowing my luck, i'd probably get the death card.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2007 17:19:33 GMT -6
Defensively, we diagram every formation they run. Then, we break down run tendencies to/away from motion, to the field or to the boundary, and down and distance tendencies.
Offensively, we draw up the fronts, which in our conference is either 5-2 or 4-4 every week. We then see how they declare strength to locate/dictate where the 3 technique DT will be. Then, if 4-4 cover 3 (which we see a lot) we locate CBs and OLBs will can take advantage of.
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Post by spartancoach on May 18, 2007 19:00:32 GMT -6
On the offensive side of the ball, we spend more time scouting personnel then tendencies. We get the basic fronts, coverages and blitz packages and try to figure out when, why and how they adjust. Then we look for the weakest DT, the weakest DE, the aggressive (most readable) DE, and weakest cover CB.
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Post by bluecrazy on May 18, 2007 19:12:15 GMT -6
OK Mav. Very interested. We have a very small budget, but raise $ every year for football. What is a good but low priced video scout? Thanks, bluecrazy>
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Post by touchdowng on May 18, 2007 21:11:48 GMT -6
It all comes down to time.
We will film everything. We time the offensive huddle to see if we can discover a trend - some teams take longer calling pass plays. We look at QB's and search out unconscious habits. Some QB's give lots away from the time they receive the play to calling the play in the huddle to going to the LOS to the snap of the ball. If you look for them you will find them.
OL are sometimes a dead RUN/PASS giveaway.
WR are another dead giveway in those undisciplined programs.
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Post by coachcb on May 19, 2007 17:13:00 GMT -6
Offensively-
1. Basic- how do we match up? What can we run against them? What should we stay away from? I want to see what coverages they play against various formations also. I'm always interested to see what they play against trips and trey.
2. Mismatches- who are their weaker links? How can we exploit them?
3. Tendencies- Catalog plays and formations according to down and distance. Look for right/left handed play calling and over using the wide side of the field. Played a team a few years back that ALWAYS called their running game to the wide side of the field- made it easier to defend.
4. Sloppy give aways (don't really focus on them much, but do look for obvious stuff)- OL stances are huge- especially late in the game. The fat kids get tired and they get a little high in their stances on passing plays.
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Post by PSS on May 19, 2007 18:05:12 GMT -6
Use your position coaches.
DL coach breaks down Offensive Line for any type of tendencies.
Secondary coach breaks receivers for tendencies.
I break down the QB and back field for tendencies.
Not that difficult or time consuming to go through a tape and pick up on the type of tendencies that you mentioned.
Mav, your right, digital scouting programs are nice to use. But I've done it this way before while I was waiting for the data entry to be completed.
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Post by phantom on May 19, 2007 18:33:12 GMT -6
How do you video scout? If you're still using vhs tapes you'll be amazed at how much scouting informaiton you can get by utilizing digital video. The scouting videos are loaded on a laptop and broken down into play clips. Anytime you have a thought or question - like how does their stance differ from pass to run - you can instantly call up several run plays, then compare it to a group of pass plays. Let's face it, we rarely ever did this type of analysis with tapes -- like you stated, 'it's a lot of work' to get to the specific clips. Check out the different digital editing systems - you can spend several thousand to nothing and get the same results. The expensive systems may save you an hour or 2 a week, but they all get to the same results. Let me know if you're interested and I could help you out. Mav, I've done this for a while and this is the first year that we've used a digital editing system seriously and I can confirm everything that you said. The capability to combine reports lets you fish for tendencies that you may not have suspected. Even better, you can instantly watch video of various situations, which can be enlightening. The best thing about it may be the ability to watch and break down video on a laptop. Last year alone I watched video at home, in classrooms, locker rooms, department offices, closets, motels, cars, my son's apartment, and the equipment room of a major university. |
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