bookoo23
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CEO HC
Jan 31, 2020 7:55:06 GMT -6
Post by bookoo23 on Jan 31, 2020 7:55:06 GMT -6
Been a varsity head coach for 20 years and always been special teams coor and over the years been the OC or DC or done both at the same time some years- I always had great assistant coaches that supported my vision. I've been successful and lucky enough to land a great job. I had health and family issues trying to do it all but been able to keep it all together. I hired a great DC a year ago and just hired a great OC who moved into the area. I know this CEO role will extend my career. Any advice for a new CEO HC?
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Post by mkuempel on Jan 31, 2020 13:14:50 GMT -6
My first thought is communicate, but it sounds like you are giving them free reign of their sides of the ball and you trust them wholeheartedly, which is awesome! I truly feel this is a great way to run a program although I've never done it. But it should allow you time and energy towards all the "stuff" that comes up throughout the year and major program issues. Will you still be coaching a position?
The one piece of advice I would hand out would be to make sure decisions are still being run through you, it sounds like you trust your coordinators, so it shouldn't be an issue, but if you aren't approving things, they could get out of hand very quickly.
Enjoy the position!
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Feb 1, 2020 0:33:11 GMT -6
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Post by kylem56 on Feb 1, 2020 0:33:11 GMT -6
Also kinda going this route in 2020. I still plan on coaching a position group but my 2 defensive coordinators are good and experienced and I trust them with what they do. I promoted my O-Line coach to offensive coordinator (he’s been a HC and coordinator before, over 25 years of experience) and even though I’ve always been an OC, I felt by doing this, it would free me up to really focus on the little details of all 3 phases of the game, put more focus on special teams, and like the OP said, hopefully extend my career/health as I battle some issues. There’s no way I can just sit back and watch practice every day, I still plan on working but by being able to help in other sports will be new.
For those in this role, what were some of the problems you ran into when you decided to have coordinators for both sides and step back and focus on being the head coach?
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Feb 1, 2020 6:46:59 GMT -6
Post by coachjm on Feb 1, 2020 6:46:59 GMT -6
The big thing I have seen with this model when it doesn't work well....
The Head Coach gives full autonomy to coordinators....
Team loses a couple games or struggles...
The Head Coach steps back in because the buck stops with him and slowly takes away the autonomy or takes it all away...
The coordinator feels betrayed not being given the time to try and fix the challenges....
If you give the autonomy which I think is great if you have the right people you have to let them do their job. If you get to the point where you don't believe in them it is time to remove them completely from the program as it will never work again if you strip their power...
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Post by center on Feb 1, 2020 9:20:40 GMT -6
Doesn’t sound like a big deal but a couple of CEO type guys that I know get really bored during practice. Leads to them coaching over a position coach or coordinator at times during practice.
Find a way to feel you have valuable role in practice for yourself other than timekeeper.
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Post by kylem56 on Feb 1, 2020 13:22:45 GMT -6
My first thought is communicate, but it sounds like you are giving them free reign of their sides of the ball and you trust them wholeheartedly, which is awesome! I truly feel this is a great way to run a program although I've never done it. But it should allow you time and energy towards all the "stuff" that comes up throughout the year and major program issues. Will you still be coaching a position? The one piece of advice I would hand out would be to make sure decisions are still being run through you, it sounds like you trust your coordinators, so it shouldn't be an issue, but if you aren't approving things, they could get out of hand very quickly. Enjoy the position! Good point on decisions being made. Right now we are meeting bi weekly to cover a lot of situations in advance from practices to meetings to game day because I want us all on the same page by time August rolls around. coachjm fair point as well, my feeling is if I am empowering them to make their decisions (granted my input will be before we step on the field every Monday) then I have to live with the decisions made on game nights. I also think meeting during the off season, communicating as much as possible once things get going are going to be important to making it all work. Trust is the key to making it work…. Not to hijack from the OP but my plan is to continue coaching a position group and contributing my part to the game plans on both sides, but also hoping this will allow me to put much more focus into our special teams, weight room and our culture as a whole. I wasn't happy with the job I did in regards to relationship building and development with our younger kids which is another reason for this change. Lastly, Ive had 3 surgeries, 1 serious in the past 2 years and I'm only 33 with a young family. I want to keep doing this for a long time and be there for my family as well, and I think making this move will help that. Would love to hear others experiences, the good/bad , what you would do differently etc, |
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 3, 2020 9:01:26 GMT -6
I didn't coach any position or anything for 4 years at a previous stop. I was bored out of my mind until it was team time and then I ran scout team O. Some of the things I did to fill time- paint the practice field, prune trees on the side of the practice field, inventory stuff, clean the equipment room, (poorly) throw passes for DB drills, wander around like a vagrant.
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Feb 3, 2020 9:27:52 GMT -6
Post by CanyonCoach on Feb 3, 2020 9:27:52 GMT -6
This is probably more a glimpse into my OC skills but several members of my staff have suggested that I take more of a CEO role and give up OC duties.
We recently met and are moving closer to a scenario with coaches only coaching one side of the ball.
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Feb 3, 2020 12:22:58 GMT -6
Post by newhope on Feb 3, 2020 12:22:58 GMT -6
Must be something in the water. I have never had an OC, always done it myself. For the past 15 years or so, I've had a few DCs that I trusted to take care of that side of the ball. Next year, I'm planning to step back from the OC position, and turn it over to someone else. We've always done things almost by committee anyhow--it's all designed around what my philosophy is and where I want to go, but we work together on developing the playbook and even on play calling. I'm going to remove myself from the play calling in general--but it's still my final call and I'll still be involved in play calling. We are still putting the playbook together as a group--and still with my final say. My new OC is young, bright and thinks the same way I do. We've discussed this change, and see it as a gradual pulling back by me as we move along. I see it more as my offering guidance to a young OC as we get into the process. We'll see.
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Feb 3, 2020 18:33:42 GMT -6
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Post by center on Feb 3, 2020 18:33:42 GMT -6
We have a local coach in our area that is the HC of the top big school program in the area. Been an HC about 9-10 years.
Used to be the DC and coach a position on both sides of the ball. Over the years he has given up DC and only helps out one of the defensive position coaches. Doesn’t have his own position group.
His coaches told him the less he coaches the better the program has gotten!! Hopefully they are kidding.
He does a great job with the team and runs a great practice though. They play hard and are extremely well coached.
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Feb 4, 2020 23:59:02 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 23:59:02 GMT -6
You can let them call the plays, take credit for the success, but your hands, your blue print for the program should be all over it. CEO doesnt mean you are hands off by any means. You are responsible for the game plan. When you lose by 50 you are the one who has to answer the questions, not the coordinators, geniuses.
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Feb 5, 2020 7:37:40 GMT -6
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 5, 2020 7:37:40 GMT -6
I will also add that I personally found what an old HC told me to be true- As a HC it behooves you to be the OC and responsible for scoring the points. He said it doesn't matter how great you play on defense if you lose 2-0 the first question fans and parents and administrators and the media will have is about why you couldn't score more points.
I started as a DC and never called a down of offense until I got my 2nd HC job and started calling O because my staff had even less experience on offense than I. Then, in my 3rd HC job I went back to DC because I thought it would allow me to focus on other stuff we needed, my staff was more modernly offensively minded than I and basically I just wanted to get back to being more aggressive and meat eating. As I stood there and watched our offense suck and not take any time off the clock while sucking (no huddle spread) I realized you can control an entire game by calling offense. You can control the other team's defense, what offensive plays they run, the flow of the game and the style of the game. I then realized that old coach was exactly right.
Personally, there is no way I could be a HC again without calling the offense. Well, there's a lot of other reasons I don't want to, but I digress.
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Feb 5, 2020 9:29:01 GMT -6
Post by cpcollet on Feb 5, 2020 9:29:01 GMT -6
Up until this season I was a HC that called the offense. This season I was fortunate to hire a JUCO hall of famer as my OC. It worked very well for us. I got to put my blueprint on every aspect of our program. That being said a large part of this was because the OC was fantastic. I gave him full autonomy of the offense, but he implemented a system where the run game was basically unchanged and incorporated a number of play action concepts to complement our ground attack. On all big calls both the OC and DC were great in knowing the final call was mine. I still coached the O-line which kept me very involved in practice.
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Feb 5, 2020 14:52:36 GMT -6
Post by center on Feb 5, 2020 14:52:36 GMT -6
I will also add that I personally found what an old HC told me to be true- As a HC it behooves you to be the OC and responsible for scoring the points. He said it doesn't matter how great you play on defense if you lose 2-0 the first question fans and parents and administrators and the media will have is about why you couldn't score more points. I started as a DC and never called a down of offense until I got my 2nd HC job and started calling O because my staff had even less experience on offense than I. Then, in my 3rd HC job I went back to DC because I thought it would allow me to focus on other stuff we needed, my staff was more modernly offensively minded than I and basically I just wanted to get back to being more aggressive and meat eating. As I stood there and watched our offense suck and not take any time off the clock while sucking (no huddle spread) I realized you can control an entire game by calling offense. You can control the other team's defense, what offensive plays they run, the flow of the game and the style of the game. I then realized that old coach was exactly right. Personally, there is no way I could be a HC again without calling the offense. Well, there's a lot of other reasons I don't want to, but I digress. I agree with this. The most criticized coaching position on a team is whoever is calling the plays. If that guy is not the HC and things are not going well it gets ugly for that assistant coach. If someone is going to serve as a CEO HC they need to be one with whoever is calling the plays. Or position coach the OL because that position is the biggest help to an OC. |
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Feb 5, 2020 22:22:47 GMT -6
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Post by canesfan on Feb 5, 2020 22:22:47 GMT -6
I’m the HC and DC. Can’t imagine not having a heavy hand in the defense. If someone ever took it over I’d probably still be like Saban and have a heavy hand in it.
Not interested in calling offense. But I will agree it takes a strong OC to not be the HC. Our OC does a great job, we win a lot of games but he took some flak because we weren’t great offensively. He handled it well. But he’s got thick skin and is confident in what we do.
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Feb 6, 2020 12:49:41 GMT -6
Post by mkuempel on Feb 6, 2020 12:49:41 GMT -6
I will also add that I personally found what an old HC told me to be true- As a HC it behooves you to be the OC and responsible for scoring the points. He said it doesn't matter how great you play on defense if you lose 2-0 the first question fans and parents and administrators and the media will have is about why you couldn't score more points. I started as a DC and never called a down of offense until I got my 2nd HC job and started calling O because my staff had even less experience on offense than I. Then, in my 3rd HC job I went back to DC because I thought it would allow me to focus on other stuff we needed, my staff was more modernly offensively minded than I and basically I just wanted to get back to being more aggressive and meat eating. As I stood there and watched our offense suck and not take any time off the clock while sucking (no huddle spread) I realized you can control an entire game by calling offense. You can control the other team's defense, what offensive plays they run, the flow of the game and the style of the game. I then realized that old coach was exactly right. Personally, there is no way I could be a HC again without calling the offense. Well, there's a lot of other reasons I don't want to, but I digress. Completely agree with your comments, you can equalize a lot of games with your offensive style. People might complain about only scoring 14 points, but if you win 14-7, who cares. Shortening the game, minimizing possessions and keeping the game within 1 score is very important for teams who aren't as athletic as their opponent, completely control the pace and style of the game, that, to me is what is addicting about coaching football, the amount of control coaches can have, I haven't found that to be the case in a lot of other sports. |
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