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BMI????
Jan 28, 2007 12:57:06 GMT -6
Post by epcoach99 on Jan 28, 2007 12:57:06 GMT -6
I was going to put this in weight lifting but decided to share my thoughts/concerns with everyone. How many coaches use BMI to test athletes or in the classroom and why? I have known for some time that this system is outdated but today it really got to me. I retested my body fat % and for grins looked up my BMI. This is what I got.
14% body fat @ 6'3" and 274lbs This is considered fitness level or below average
My BMI was 34.2 which puts into the obese category. Well into the obese category.
My worry is that while I am trying to get kids to lift and be healthy one of the most used indexes for determining health is bogus! Do you guys ever talk about this? Or am I just being too sensitive?
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Jan 28, 2007 13:29:02 GMT -6
Post by knight9299 on Jan 28, 2007 13:29:02 GMT -6
I was going to put this in weight lifting but decided to share my thoughts/concerns with everyone. How many coaches use BMI to test athletes or in the classroom and why? I have known for some time that this system is outdated but today it really got to me. I retested my body fat % and for grins looked up my BMI. This is what I got. 14% body fat @ 6'3" and 274lbs This is considered fitness level or below average My BMI was 34.2 which puts into the obese category. Well into the obese category. My worry is that while I am trying to get kids to lift and be healthy one of the most used indexes for determining health is bogus! Do you guys ever talk about this? Or am I just being too sensitive? My strength coach in college always laughed about BMI. As do I. I'm 6'4". In college my playing weight was 225-230. I ran between 6 & 10% body fat yet according to BMI I was overweight? To be ideal weight according to BMI I'm supposed to weigh 200 pounds. I looked like Skeletor. So when I hear all these studies saying the majority of people are overweight I laugh.
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Jan 28, 2007 13:45:59 GMT -6
Post by coachcb on Jan 28, 2007 13:45:59 GMT -6
BMI is a flawed measurement tool- most researchers in the exercise science field are laughed at for using it now a days. It's like measuring something's length and width by weighing it.
- It doesn't test body composition- there's no differentiation between fat and muscle mass. - It's simpley a measure of how much mass you have in the area you take up- here's the equation;
Mass(kgs)/ height^2(m^2)
So, aside from the fact that it doesn't measure body composition, it assumes that a) you're as wide as you are tall. b) you're a 2 dimensional object, and c) it takes a 3 dimensional measure (mass) and puts it in area which is two dimension
BMI was originally designed by a health insurance company that was looking to lump people into categories for their premiums. Higher BMI= Higher premium rates. It was not designed to test athletes or individuals.
The first scientific study using BMI compared it to all rate mortaility (death). People that were under weight (BMI of 18 and under) were actually far more likely(1.5- 2 times) to die than people with grossly high BMIs.
The only truly accurate measure of health is the medical measures in a physical with blood work. If your blood pressure, LDL cholesterol, blood triglycerides, or blood sugar is abnormally high then you're at higher risk of dying no matter what a body composition test says.
I stay away from body composition tests and I have a freakin bachelors in exercise science/kinesiology. There's only one truely accurate measure (outside of killing and dissecting you) of body composition; water displacement. And even that can be off by as much 3% body fat either way- if it shows you have 12% body fat, then you know for sure that you're between 9% to 15%. Here's the 95% confidence intervals(95% sure that you're body fat falls within this ragne) for all of the body composition tests-
Electrical Impedance (the scales you stand on or hold)- 10% body fat up or down. It shows you have 12%, you can be 95% sure that you actually fall between 2% and 22%...
Skin Fold- (9 sites) 7% up or down. It says you have 12%, you're really between 5%-19%.
Let me ask you guys something- if you were building a house, would you ever use a tape measure that was off a foot or more each time you measured? Would you use a square that was off by 20 degrees each time you measured?
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Jan 28, 2007 18:11:19 GMT -6
Post by airman on Jan 28, 2007 18:11:19 GMT -6
interesting how the medical profession stands by BMI and the other medical tests mentioned.
i think bmi could be used as a tool for people who are nonathlete types as a gage for getting in shape.
athletes are a little different. however the lineman in the nfl are clearly obese and from what I have read you are seeing high levels of Type2 and high cholesterol.
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Jan 29, 2007 8:10:03 GMT -6
Post by coachcb on Jan 29, 2007 8:10:03 GMT -6
Yeah, I guess I'm just full of crap and so is the New England Journal of Medicine, the American Journal of Sports Medicine, and the National Strength and Conditioning Association; the three journals where I picked up the information.
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Jan 29, 2007 8:43:32 GMT -6
Post by coachroberts99 on Jan 29, 2007 8:43:32 GMT -6
BMI basically has no place for athletes, as nearly 100% of guys who lift weights will be overweight.....
My flatmate wears 30" trousers, has massive guns, back like a bear and a proper six pack... but he is "obeses".... mmmm, really??
isn't meant for athletes so don't even bother using it, imho. For example Brian Urlacher is....
BMI is between 30-34.99 (Obese Class 1) Individuals with a BMI of 30-34.99 are in a physically unhealthy condition, which puts them at risk for serious ilnesses such as heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, gall bladder disease, and some cancers. This holds especially true if you have a larger than recommended Waist Size. These persons would benefit greatly by modifying their lifestyle. Ideally, see your doctor and consider reducing your weight by 5-10 percent. Such a weight reduction will result in considerable health improvements.
What is more use as a simple guage is the hip to waist ratio... ie how much of a gut you got!!
Matt
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Jan 29, 2007 9:00:10 GMT -6
Post by CoachMikeJudy on Jan 29, 2007 9:00:10 GMT -6
BMI was formulated to provide us with a way to compare/measure average people's body compositions. The average person is not a trained athlete and is obese, which makes skin fold testing difficult and inconsistent so BMI is the national standard. I worked in professional baseball and in the corporate fitness world, and I would say that BMI has its place because it is easy to calculate (height/weight) and shouldn't vary from tester to tester like measuring skin folds does.
As far as using it for athletics, I think body fat measurements are better. 3 site Jackson & Pollock protocol is quick is easy to administer.
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Jan 29, 2007 15:11:01 GMT -6
Post by airman on Jan 29, 2007 15:11:01 GMT -6
i am reading my mayo clinic news letter and it is talking about BMI as a indicator for health problems. being overweight is not nessary bad when it comes to BMI. Being overfat is. it also talks about the shape of the individual. by shape I mean looking like apple for a body vs looking like a stick.
I am 5-10 and i weight 165 pounds. I am in what BMI considers normal weight range. if I gain 10 pounds I am considered overweight. I have never had my body fat done so I do not know. my doctor estimates about 7 %.
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