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Post by wolfden12 on Jan 13, 2020 6:52:24 GMT -6
When attending a clinic,
what are the topics, types of speakers (college, hs (hfc) (coord), set-ups that you enjoy listening to?
What makes a "good" clinic?
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Post by center on Jan 13, 2020 7:30:40 GMT -6
To me the difference maker is getting some speakers that will address the most relevant problems that coaches in your area are having.
Small numbers.
8 man football.
Player safety/strength and speed development.
Stopping the spread/wing-t/RPO
Practice schedule.
Fundraising.
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Post by CS on Jan 13, 2020 7:30:44 GMT -6
I wish clinics would have fewer speakers and give them more time. 1 hour isn't going to give you much and speakers take about 20 min of that time talking about philosophy. Breakouts are what I enjoy the most because they last as long as the guy wants and you can ask specific questions
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 13, 2020 7:53:27 GMT -6
I usually tried to avoid X and Os presentations because all that stuff usually comes down to whose X and Os are more athletic than yours. I usually veered toward program development, weight room, that sort of stuff.
When asked to speak 3 times I spoke on our offseason preparations and how we worked out being a coop of 3 different high schools.
Nothing is worse than listening to some blowhard pontificate on Xs and Os when you know full well he has 11 studs. Once heard a guy talk on 4-4 defense talk about switching his 3 tech to the weak side every now and then to mess up the offense. He paused after he made the point as if he had just cured cancer. He had 6 D1 starters on his defense. I closed my notebook and walked out.
The most helpful session I ever went to was me and 6 other coaches at 8am on a Saturday morning. Was on offseason programs. Was were I stole my points program from.
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Post by wolfden12 on Jan 13, 2020 8:02:31 GMT -6
How do you feel about panel discussions with coaches?
Someone who moderates and generates questions to a panel of coaches from different levels and demographics
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Post by Defcord on Jan 13, 2020 8:46:39 GMT -6
I think the more specific a talk, the more useful it is. I really want to know on any given topic: How you teach it, how you practice it, how you correct it when it goes wrong in the game (both during the game and in the following practices).
Some of the philosophy stuff I appreciate even though I may not be able to apply much of it to the program. I listened to an old Mike Gundy clinic talk on the Inside the Headset podcast the other day. It was really entertaining. There's not much I could use out of it, but it was fun to listen to.
So I enjoy a mixture of those two things.
I was at a baseball clinic this past weekend and we ran into some of the coaches from our region. We asked what session they were headed to. They said none the whole weekend and they just come to get away from a weekend before the season starts. And I do think a lot of guys enjoy the couple days off of school just as much as any of the speakers or sessions.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 13, 2020 8:56:33 GMT -6
They said none the whole weekend and they just come to get away from a weekend before the season starts. And I do think a lot of guys enjoy the couple days off of school just as much as any of the speakers or sessions. I kinda became that guy at the end. One of the ways I knew it was time. |
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Post by bbrown2804 on Jan 13, 2020 9:20:42 GMT -6
I feel that a speaker doing a broad topic isn't really going to give me a lot of information in a 50 minute session versus a speaker focusing on a very specific topic. For example, one of the best clinic sessions I've attended in the last few years was Mike Tressel going through the tackling circuit they use at MSU. That or someone who is going to focus an entire session on something like just how they run Power is going to be a lot better than a session that focuses on "how we run our 4-3 defense" or "how we run the wing-t" in my experiences.
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Post by CS on Jan 13, 2020 10:44:47 GMT -6
I usually tried to avoid X and Os presentations because all that stuff usually comes down to whose X and Os are more athletic than yours. I usually veered toward program development, weight room, that sort of stuff. When asked to speak 3 times I spoke on our offseason preparations and how we worked out being a coop of 3 different high schools. Nothing is worse than listening to some blowhard pontificate on Xs and Os when you know full well he has 11 studs. Once heard a guy talk on 4-4 defense talk about switching his 3 tech to the weak side every now and then to mess up the offense. He paused after he made the point as if he had just cured cancer. He had 6 D1 starters on his defense. I closed my notebook and walked out. The most helpful session I ever went to was me and 6 other coaches at 8am on a Saturday morning. Was on offseason programs. Was were I stole my points program from. I went to one that ended up being a guy showing us film on his 6'6" D1 wideouts catching verticals 8 yards past the sorry a$$ corners that were playing them 1on1. I think some of these guys are surrounded by insane talent year in and year out and forget that not everyone has those tools to play with. |
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Post by bluboy on Jan 13, 2020 10:59:03 GMT -6
I like talking with D3 guys and other high school coaches. Most D3 coaches have players similar to ours (meaning not the dudes seen on TV).
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Post by coachlesko on Jan 13, 2020 11:39:06 GMT -6
I feel that a speaker doing a broad topic isn't really going to give me a lot of information in a 50 minute session versus a speaker focusing on a very specific topic. For example, one of the best clinic sessions I've attended in the last few years was Mike Tressel going through the tackling circuit they use at MSU. That or someone who is going to focus an entire session on something like just how they run Power is going to be a lot better than a session that focuses on "how we run our 4-3 defense" or "how we run the wing-t" in my experiences. As I have attended clinics over the years, I would agree that a speaker spending their full hour on a specific concept and how to teach, adjust, execute it is far more valuable than the "overview" guys. |
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Post by agap on Jan 13, 2020 17:10:55 GMT -6
I like when they discuss specific topics. I like when there are just as many defensive speakers as offense; typically there are more offensive sessions.
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Post by coachks on Jan 14, 2020 10:11:13 GMT -6
I'll echo. The more specific the topic, the better. Part of that is so much overview is readily available online that a broad view and "camp rules" are just not useful. There are 15 different writeups on Rip/Liz match. What isn't readily available is how they drill the technique, in-game adjustments, how teams attack you ect.
Offensively, you drawing up some base rules against a 4-4 isn't going to help. How do you teach it against a defense people actually play in 2020?
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 14, 2020 21:56:57 GMT -6
Offensively, you drawing up some base rules against a 4-4 isn't going to help. How do you teach it against a defense people actually play in 2020? Wow. What's your go to visor brand? |
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Post by veerman on Jan 15, 2020 8:29:02 GMT -6
lol guess now that its 2020 I need to quit running the 4-4 lol..just messing with ya coachks...I agree with most, I'm not interested in what you do (X's & O's), I'm more interested in how you teach the small things in what you do. I tell our guys to try and find one thing that you could incorporate into what we teach our kids easier. We strive to find the easiest most effective way to teach what we do.
But I'm with Larrymoe: I'm more interested in listening to program building more than anything instead of topics like "running the spread the wildcat way". They are usually jokes we talk about when we go out to eat afterwards. Some actually have interesting things to say, but usually don't.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 15, 2020 8:34:03 GMT -6
lol guess now that its 2020 I need to quit running the 4-4 lol..just messing with ya coachks...I agree with most, I'm not interested in what you do (X's & O's), I'm more interested in how you teach the small things in what you do. I tell our guys to try and find one thing that you could incorporate into what we teach our kids easier. We strive to find the easiest most effective way to teach what we do. But I'm with Larrymoe: I'm more interested in listening to program building more than anything instead of topics like "running the spread the wildcat way". They are usually jokes we talk about when we go out to eat afterwards. Some actually have interesting things to say, but usually don't. I usually started each of my presentations quickly saying why I chose the topic and why it mattered to me. I would also make the joke that if I did an Xs and Os presentation it would be entitled 8 Ways to Jam a Football Up Your Anus- The Bronco Run Game. I actually created an Xs and Os presentation once based on our I wing package at the behest of the clinic host. I entitled it "How I Invented the I Formation". It was a joke based on a local newspaper that kept calling our formation and run game the "Larrymoe I Formation". |
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 15, 2020 16:42:00 GMT -6
lol guess now that its 2020 I need to quit running the 4-4 lol..just messing with ya coachks...I agree with most, I'm not interested in what you do (X's & O's), I'm more interested in how you teach the small things in what you do. I tell our guys to try and find one thing that you could incorporate into what we teach our kids easier. We strive to find the easiest most effective way to teach what we do. But I'm with Larrymoe: I'm more interested in listening to program building more than anything instead of topics like "running the spread the wildcat way". They are usually jokes we talk about when we go out to eat afterwards. Some actually have interesting things to say, but usually don't. I usually started each of my presentations quickly saying why I chose the topic and why it mattered to me. I would also make the joke that if I did an Xs and Os presentation it would be entitled 8 Ways to Jam a Football Up Your Anus- The Bronco Run Game. I actually created an Xs and Os presentation once based on our I wing package at the behest of the clinic host. I entitled it "How I Invented the I Formation". It was a joke based on a local newspaper that kept calling our formation and run game the "Larrymoe I Formation". I should add that the clinic was canceled for some reason, so that bit of brilliance was never shared. |
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Post by blb on Jan 15, 2020 17:06:10 GMT -6
When I talked on coaching a position the only coaches that were there were ones who coached that position.
If I talked on our offense or defense the only ones who showed up were already running it or our opponents.
Pretty sparse crowds.
After awhile when asked to speak I said sure, but my topic was going to be "101 Ways to Run the QB Sneak."
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 15, 2020 18:25:28 GMT -6
When I talked on coaching a position the only coaches that were there were ones who coached that position. If I talked on our offense or defense the only ones who showed up were already running it or our opponents. Pretty sparse crowds. After awhile when asked to speak I said sure, but my topic was going to be "101 Ways to Run the QB Sneak." When I spoke on our coop, there were 7 coaches in the room. Granted, it was at 8am on a Saturday morning in the most remote room possible, but... I have had over 7 coaches contact me since the clinic asking questions as our state association puts the notes on the internet/on a cd rom. |
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Post by ssm on Jan 16, 2020 7:40:15 GMT -6
I think that it's to the point where there is so much available to us now via social media and social sharing on different platforms that the days of pushing specifics to X's and O's has past. From my perspective, I want to listen to people that built different programs; I'm interested to see what methods they used and how they did them. Also, the 4-4 is not dead, it's on pause until it become en vogue again.
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Post by newhope on Jan 16, 2020 9:00:42 GMT -6
Everybody's looking for something different. I like the Glaziers because there's a lot of choice. I'll look at the lineup beforehand to find out if there are enough topics I'm interested in that I'll decide to attend that particular clinic. Sometimes it's something I'm considering adding, or it's something I want to know more about....or it's a defense I'm seeing more of and I want to learn more about it.
It depends sometimes in where you are in your career: are you looking for program building, or is that something you already feel like you have a handle on? Are you looking to improve your special teams approach? Do you want to tweak or change your offense or defense? Is there something you're not doing well you want to get more ideas on?
There was a time I wanted to hear philosophy and program building. Now I want to find things to tweak what we're doing in one of the phases of the game. Sometimes, though, I still like to hear the right guy talk about how he goes about his business. I really enjoyed Matt Rhule for example this week in Nashville. Got a lot out of it.
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