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Post by kylem56 on Dec 20, 2019 13:55:13 GMT -6
Does anyone know what Coach Paul Johnson is up to these days now that he is retired? Does he still speak at clinics or do consulting?
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Post by moose18 on Dec 20, 2019 14:04:41 GMT -6
I heard he has been consulting with the Baltimore Ravens and has been a pretty valuable resource with the “option” stuff they’re running with Jackson
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Post by coachdubyah on Dec 20, 2019 18:15:34 GMT -6
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Post by planck on Dec 20, 2019 20:30:04 GMT -6
Probably still planning ways to humiliate Bob Diaco 😂
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Post by blb on Dec 21, 2019 6:28:11 GMT -6
Probably still planning ways to humiliate Bob Diaco 😂
...and Brian VanGorder.
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Post by planck on Dec 21, 2019 7:37:54 GMT -6
Ah dangit, that's who I was thinking of. Not Bob Diaco, VanGorder.
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Post by badtotheflexbone on Dec 23, 2019 3:10:22 GMT -6
In the article linked by coachdubyah, Johnson stated he would coach again under the right circumstances cause it was too much trying to coach with "one hand tied behind your back". Now I think I know what he's referring to since it was GT but anyone care to take a shot as to what he might be referring to?
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Post by coachdubyah on Dec 23, 2019 5:38:36 GMT -6
GT wants to be like everyone else and be “athlete dependent”, throw fade routes, and win recruiting battles. Not football games. It’s a great academic institution that now wants to be a 5 star school just because they’re in a “recruiting hotbed”. They won a National Championship Back in 1990 so they think they should be doing that again. They love to remind you of that. Never mind the fact that most of the starters during that time didn’t finish their degree until later in life. (Former player during that era told me that)
Johnson has said many times that they can’t be expected to compete with the lacks of Clemson and Georgia unless Ga Tech commits to him and football like those schools.(you can google that article) This was never said but, I’m sure the school told him to change the offense and “open it up” (see 2013 season) and play nice with “athletes in space” (Johnson is a bit of a hard a$$) and we will get you all that. He didn’t adhere to any of that. Now here we are. <<<<That was my thoughts and assessment.
You can agree or disagree with all this but the reality is that if we are not careful this will take over HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL! It already has in most places. HS Freshman signing days, telling receivers/playmakers they don’t have to block, begging and coaxing athletes to “come play football and I’ll throw you a post route” when they really don’t want to play (Antonio Brown).
I’m pretty passionate about this because I’m currently HC at a school that struggles with all this and quite frankly I’m tired of playing these games. I just want to coach football and coach kids that want to be out there. Not be held hostage by a kid who may quit if he’s not “comfortable” playing football. If that means I have 20 players oh well. We can all learn a thing or 2 from this situation. Be yourself and do it your way. Don’t cave to what they want you to do. You know more than they do. If they knew more, they would be the HC, not you.
Again, I’m just putting pieces together on much of this. I’ve followed Johnson thru his days at Ga Southern so I know how he is. He’s going to do it his way. All those Erk Russell guys are wired the same. It’s also another factor as to why the Navy HC may never leave Navy.
I would love to see Vandy, Northwestern, Indiana, Oregon State, or any other low tier BCS take a chance on him or an Asst, but it won’t happen because they don’t want to win like that.
PS: this is all coming from a former Spread/Air Raid guy that now calls defense and uses every bit of the 40 sec play clock and I’m never going back.
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Post by blb on Dec 23, 2019 6:26:34 GMT -6
When Dick Crum was HC at North Carolina he famously said, "They want to be Harvard during the week and Oklahoma on Saturday."
Sounds like Georgia Tech is similar.
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Post by dytmook on Dec 23, 2019 8:40:48 GMT -6
The fact that GT had their worst season in 25 years tells me they got what they deserved. The crap I read when he was let go was beyond stupid.
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Post by fantom on Dec 23, 2019 9:23:43 GMT -6
GT wants to be like everyone else and be “athlete dependent”, throw fade routes, and win recruiting battles. Not football games. It’s a great academic institution that now wants to be a 5 star school just because they’re in a “recruiting hotbed”. They won a National Championship Back in 1990 so they think they should be doing that again. They love to remind you of that. Never mind the fact that most of the starters during that time didn’t finish their degree until later in life. (Former player during that era told me that) Johnson has said many times that they can’t be expected to compete with the lacks of Clemson and Georgia unless Ga Tech commits to him and football like those schools.(you can google that article) This was never said but, I’m sure the school told him to change the offense and “open it up” (see 2013 season) and play nice with “athletes in space” (Johnson is a bit of a hard a$$) and we will get you all that. He didn’t adhere to any of that. Now here we are. <<<<That was my thoughts and assessment. You can agree or disagree with all this but the reality is that if we are not careful this will take over HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL! It already has in most places. HS Freshman signing days, telling receivers/playmakers they don’t have to block, begging and coaxing athletes to “come play football and I’ll throw you a post route” when they really don’t want to play (Antonio Brown). I’m pretty passionate about this because I’m currently HC at a school that struggles with all this and quite frankly I’m tired of playing these games. I just want to coach football and coach kids that want to be out there. Not be held hostage by a kid who may quit if he’s not “comfortable” playing football. If that means I have 20 players oh well. We can all learn a thing or 2 from this situation. Be yourself and do it your way. Don’t cave to what they want you to do. You know more than they do. If they knew more, they would be the HC, not you. Again, I’m just putting pieces together on much of this. I’ve followed Johnson thru his days at Ga Southern so I know how he is. He’s going to do it his way. All those Erk Russell guys are wired the same. It’s also another factor as to why the Navy HC may never leave Navy. I would love to see Vandy, Northwestern, Indiana, Oregon State, or any other low tier BCS take a chance on him or an Asst, but it won’t happen because they don’t want to win like that. PS: this is all coming from a former Spread/Air Raid guy that now calls defense and uses every bit of the 40 sec play clock and I’m never going back. A couple of problems: 1. At some of the schools that you mentioned PJ would have the same issue with academics that he had at GT. 2. At that level you're not just in the football business, you're in the entertainment business. |
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Post by blb on Dec 23, 2019 11:47:34 GMT -6
To add to what fantom posted above in this thread ("entertainment business") - Way back around 1982 I listened to Darryl Rogers recount the following incident at a clinic. Rogers was known for his productive, winning passing offenses at Fresno State, Michigan State, and Arizona State (I believe he is in CFB HOF). That spring at ASU he had decided to add Lead Option to his offense because it would be good against defenses they were seeing. He said when he informed his QB about his intention, the young man replied, "The hell with that. If I wanted to run the option I would've gone to Texas!" |
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 23, 2019 13:47:20 GMT -6
GT wants to be like everyone else and be “athlete dependent”, throw fade routes, and win recruiting battles. Not football games. It’s a great academic institution that now wants to be a 5 star school just because they’re in a “recruiting hotbed”. They won a National Championship Back in 1990 so they think they should be doing that again. They love to remind you of that. Never mind the fact that most of the starters during that time didn’t finish their degree until later in life. (Former player during that era told me that) Johnson has said many times that they can’t be expected to compete with the lacks of Clemson and Georgia unless Ga Tech commits to him and football like those schools.(you can google that article) This was never said but, I’m sure the school told him to change the offense and “open it up” (see 2013 season) and play nice with “athletes in space” (Johnson is a bit of a hard a$$) and we will get you all that. He didn’t adhere to any of that. Now here we are. <<<<That was my thoughts and assessment. You can agree or disagree with all this but the reality is that if we are not careful this will take over HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL! It already has in most places. HS Freshman signing days, telling receivers/playmakers they don’t have to block, begging and coaxing athletes to “come play football and I’ll throw you a post route” when they really don’t want to play (Antonio Brown). I’m pretty passionate about this because I’m currently HC at a school that struggles with all this and quite frankly I’m tired of playing these games. I just want to coach football and coach kids that want to be out there. Not be held hostage by a kid who may quit if he’s not “comfortable” playing football. If that means I have 20 players oh well. We can all learn a thing or 2 from this situation. Be yourself and do it your way. Don’t cave to what they want you to do. You know more than they do. If they knew more, they would be the HC, not you. Again, I’m just putting pieces together on much of this. I’ve followed Johnson thru his days at Ga Southern so I know how he is. He’s going to do it his way. All those Erk Russell guys are wired the same. It’s also another factor as to why the Navy HC may never leave Navy. I would love to see Vandy, Northwestern, Indiana, Oregon State, or any other low tier BCS take a chance on him or an Asst, but it won’t happen because they don’t want to win like that. PS: this is all coming from a former Spread/Air Raid guy that now calls defense and uses every bit of the 40 sec play clock and I’m never going back. Vandy won 9 games the last two years of James Franklin's tenure. Of the last 8 seasons, 4 (half) have been 9 or 10 win seasons for Northwestern. Oregon State is 7-3 in bowl games since 2000. Mike Riley was 85-66 in that time. Point being that those schools have had or are having "success" in some form. As I mentioned in a similar thread a while back, GT under PJ wasn't terribly different than GT under Chan Gailey, or under George O'leary. That said, I don't think you are wrong about the growing incidences of having to keep everyone happy resulting in nobody being happy. |
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Post by coachdubyah on Dec 23, 2019 13:49:02 GMT -6
GT wants to be like everyone else and be “athlete dependent”, throw fade routes, and win recruiting battles. Not football games. It’s a great academic institution that now wants to be a 5 star school just because they’re in a “recruiting hotbed”. They won a National Championship Back in 1990 so they think they should be doing that again. They love to remind you of that. Never mind the fact that most of the starters during that time didn’t finish their degree until later in life. (Former player during that era told me that) Johnson has said many times that they can’t be expected to compete with the lacks of Clemson and Georgia unless Ga Tech commits to him and football like those schools.(you can google that article) This was never said but, I’m sure the school told him to change the offense and “open it up” (see 2013 season) and play nice with “athletes in space” (Johnson is a bit of a hard a$$) and we will get you all that. He didn’t adhere to any of that. Now here we are. <<<<That was my thoughts and assessment. You can agree or disagree with all this but the reality is that if we are not careful this will take over HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL! It already has in most places. HS Freshman signing days, telling receivers/playmakers they don’t have to block, begging and coaxing athletes to “come play football and I’ll throw you a post route” when they really don’t want to play (Antonio Brown). I’m pretty passionate about this because I’m currently HC at a school that struggles with all this and quite frankly I’m tired of playing these games. I just want to coach football and coach kids that want to be out there. Not be held hostage by a kid who may quit if he’s not “comfortable” playing football. If that means I have 20 players oh well. We can all learn a thing or 2 from this situation. Be yourself and do it your way. Don’t cave to what they want you to do. You know more than they do. If they knew more, they would be the HC, not you. Again, I’m just putting pieces together on much of this. I’ve followed Johnson thru his days at Ga Southern so I know how he is. He’s going to do it his way. All those Erk Russell guys are wired the same. It’s also another factor as to why the Navy HC may never leave Navy. I would love to see Vandy, Northwestern, Indiana, Oregon State, or any other low tier BCS take a chance on him or an Asst, but it won’t happen because they don’t want to win like that. PS: this is all coming from a former Spread/Air Raid guy that now calls defense and uses every bit of the 40 sec play clock and I’m never going back. Vandy won 9 games the last two years of James Franklin's tenure. Of the last 8 seasons, 4 (half) have been 9 or 10 win seasons for Northwestern. Oregon State is 7-3 in bowl games since 2000. Mike Riley was 85-66 in that time. Point being that those schools have had or are having "success" in some form. As I mentioned in a similar thread a while back, GT under PJ wasn't terribly different than GT under Chan Gailey, or under George O'leary. That said, I don't think you are wrong about the growing incidences of having to keep everyone happy resulting in nobody being happy. I forgot one...Nebraska. 😜 |
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Post by football6429 on Dec 23, 2019 14:44:02 GMT -6
Paul Johnson was one of my favorite coaches. I followed him from Georgia Southern, Navy and the Georgia Tech. I thought he was one of the best game day coaches. PJ called his plays off a sheet of paper in his pocket. He knew how to adjust to what he saw on the field. I hope he gets back into coaching.
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Post by fantom on Dec 23, 2019 14:59:15 GMT -6
Boy, I guess you REALLY like the guy.
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Post by blb on Dec 23, 2019 14:59:54 GMT -6
Paul Johnson was one of my favorite coaches. I followed him from Georgia Southern, Navy and the Georgia Tech. I thought he was one of the best game day coaches. PJ called his plays off a sheet of paper in his pocket. He knew how to adjust to what he saw on the field. I hope he gets back into coaching. football6429 you need to delete your last three (redundant) posts please.
Go to your "Profile" above.
Then "View this members recent posts"
Click on the "Gear" icon, go to Delete Post for each.
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 23, 2019 16:12:12 GMT -6
Paul Johnson was one of my favorite coaches. I followed him from Georgia Southern, Navy and the Georgia Tech. I thought he was one of the best game day coaches. PJ called his plays off a sheet of paper in his pocket. He knew how to adjust to what he saw on the field. I hope he gets back into coaching. football6429 you need to delete your last three (redundant) posts please.
Go to your "Profile" above.
Then "View this members recent posts"
Click on the "Gear" icon, go to Delete Post for each.
I don't know. I enjoyed the subtle nuances he brought to each individual post. |
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Post by football6429 on Dec 24, 2019 2:51:52 GMT -6
Thanks blb.
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Post by coachdubyah on Mar 8, 2021 22:37:33 GMT -6
{cough cough} Kansas {cough cough}
Yeah I posted it!!!!
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 9, 2021 6:48:57 GMT -6
{cough cough} Kansas {cough cough} Yeah I posted it!!!! He can’t do much worse. The think mark mangino might work against him though- having a spectacular season running “the spread” just a little over a decade ago. People making hiring decisions get fooled by stuff like that |
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Post by rsmith627 on Mar 9, 2021 7:09:27 GMT -6
It would be interested to see how PJ could hang with the likes of OU and some of those higher scoring spread offenses out there. If he can do what he does on offensive, kill some clock, and have a somewhat competent defense that would be interesting to watch in that league for sure.
Army taking OU into overtime a few seasons back is proof enough he could make some noise provided he was given the time to build his program.
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Post by coachdubyah on Mar 9, 2021 8:07:37 GMT -6
I really think he is done. But trust me, I'm holding onto some hope that he goes for 1 last ride.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 8:09:41 GMT -6
I think he is a candidate to go small school.
Has to recruit better than he did at GT if he want to stick around.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 9, 2021 8:18:22 GMT -6
I wouldn't touch the Kansas job with a 10 foot pole myself. PJ shouldn't touch the state.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 8:21:23 GMT -6
I wouldn't touch the Kansas job with a 10 foot pole myself. PJ shouldn't touch the state. my vote for post of the year!!!! |
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Post by tog on Mar 9, 2021 8:55:10 GMT -6
GT wants to be like everyone else and be “athlete dependent”, throw fade routes, and win recruiting battles. Not football games. It’s a great academic institution that now wants to be a 5 star school just because they’re in a “recruiting hotbed”. They won a National Championship Back in 1990 so they think they should be doing that again. They love to remind you of that. Never mind the fact that most of the starters during that time didn’t finish their degree until later in life. (Former player during that era told me that) Johnson has said many times that they can’t be expected to compete with the lacks of Clemson and Georgia unless Ga Tech commits to him and football like those schools.(you can google that article) This was never said but, I’m sure the school told him to change the offense and “open it up” (see 2013 season) and play nice with “athletes in space” (Johnson is a bit of a hard a$$) and we will get you all that. He didn’t adhere to any of that. Now here we are. <<<<That was my thoughts and assessment. You can agree or disagree with all this but the reality is that if we are not careful this will take over HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL! It already has in most places. HS Freshman signing days, telling receivers/playmakers they don’t have to block, begging and coaxing athletes to “come play football and I’ll throw you a post route” when they really don’t want to play (Antonio Brown). I’m pretty passionate about this because I’m currently HC at a school that struggles with all this and quite frankly I’m tired of playing these games. I just want to coach football and coach kids that want to be out there. Not be held hostage by a kid who may quit if he’s not “comfortable” playing football. If that means I have 20 players oh well. We can all learn a thing or 2 from this situation. Be yourself and do it your way. Don’t cave to what they want you to do. You know more than they do. If they knew more, they would be the HC, not you. Again, I’m just putting pieces together on much of this. I’ve followed Johnson thru his days at Ga Southern so I know how he is. He’s going to do it his way. All those Erk Russell guys are wired the same. It’s also another factor as to why the Navy HC may never leave Navy. I would love to see Vandy, Northwestern, Indiana, Oregon State, or any other low tier BCS take a chance on him or an Asst, but it won’t happen because they don’t want to win like that. PS: this is all coming from a former Spread/Air Raid guy that now calls defense and uses every bit of the 40 sec play clock and I’m never going back. so true football as we know it is dying |
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Post by freezeoption on Mar 9, 2021 9:06:52 GMT -6
Ku is the death bed. I can't believe all the trouble they have. Donahue was the last coach there to have success.
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Post by freezeoption on Mar 9, 2021 9:07:35 GMT -6
Yes Mangino did alight.
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Post by Defcord on Mar 9, 2021 9:08:03 GMT -6
It would be interested to see how PJ could hang with the likes of OU and some of those higher scoring spread offenses out there. If he can do what he does on offensive, kill some clock, and have a somewhat competent defense that would be interesting to watch in that league for sure. Army taking OU into overtime a few seasons back is proof enough he could make some noise provided he was given the time to build his program. His defensive coordinator would look like a genius because they would be defending half the plays the spread teams have to. |
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