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Post by coachbdud on Sept 13, 2007 11:32:21 GMT -6
we are playing a very good veer team this weak. we are faster than them, but they run the veer well, not a huge O line but they are good. we are a base 4-3 defense. our DC wants to stay in that this week. I played in veer and i know a lot about it and i just dont think you can run a 4 man front against a veer team. It is very easy to run midline to the 3 tech and ISV to the 1 tech. I am afraid that they will kill our D. I have tried discussing this with him, and he keeps saying he wants to do something different then they are used to seeing, and he wants to just let the kids play ball. Am i wrong for trying to get him to go to a 5 man front
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Post by airman on Sept 13, 2007 11:59:12 GMT -6
we are playing a very good veer team this weak. we are faster than them, but they run the veer well, not a huge O line but they are good. we are a base 4-3 defense. our DC wants to stay in that this week. I played in veer and i know a lot about it and i just don't think you can run a 4 man front against a veer team. It is very easy to run mid line to the 3 tech and IVS to the 1 tech. I am afraid that they will kill our D. I have tried discussing this with him, and he keeps saying he wants to do something different then they are used to seeing, and he wants to just let the kids play ball. Am i wrong for trying to get him to go to a 5 man front do you have a five man front in your defensive package? if so then I might say yes. however if you do not then your players have to learn new skills which makes then have to think instead of react. kids get used to knowing where to lineup and this makes them comfortable. I think more games are lost by coaches trying to do some thing different. a wise old coach told me this, every time you introduce some thing new, your seniors become freshman all over again. I would rather do what we do and have my players be able to react then to bog them down with some thing new to think about. I assume you play cover 2 behind your 43, if so, bring the safeties to 8-10 yd depth instead of 12yds.
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Post by wingman on Sept 13, 2007 11:59:58 GMT -6
A lot of teams play 4 - 3 vs option with the safeties filling the alleys. I know we see it although it wouldn't be my first choice. I'd rather have 8 in the box.
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Post by airman on Sept 13, 2007 12:12:00 GMT -6
mike seawag, former geo southern coach has said most teams now vs the option bring both the corner and safety, forcing you to pitch the ball fast. unless you are willing to throw the ball, they have you then out numbered.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2007 12:32:33 GMT -6
OJW where are you??? If I'm not mistaken he gave me a history lesson on the development of the Miami 4-3 and it was created to stop the option! I think you have to base a lot of your decision on what front to play against vs. what formations you are seeing it out of. The wishbone veer is a whole diff. animal than the shotgun veer. What formations does the team you are facing use?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2007 13:33:29 GMT -6
We base as a 4-3 Over but will play a lot of Field defense as well so we make them run inside veer to the boundary if they want that bubble. But we come out of our 2 shell and adjust with a DB.
It's not the easiest thing in the world, but I'm going to make them run inside veer to the boundary if they want to run it to my 1 tech. When the ball's in the middle of the field I'll switch between an Over and an Under just to keep them guessing. My thought is that eventually they'll have to run on a Veer Check With Me sort of thing. When they do that we'll stem a little bit.
I used to coach in a splitback Veer offense and like so many other things, you have to take what they give you. Remember that for a veer QB a wrong read is better than a long read, so if you make him unsure whether to give or pull, youll slow their game up a bit.
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Post by cqmiller on Sept 13, 2007 14:37:30 GMT -6
I stay in my 4-3 vs. a veer team, and we have the safeties fly up for pitch. If the DE's stay disciplined, and the OLB's make their correct reads, then you should be okay.
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Post by cqmiller on Sept 13, 2007 14:54:47 GMT -6
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Last veer team we faced, ran out of I, so I'll use that as my example...
If they like to run IV away from the 3, then the DE must come down FLAT, get his head across the FB, and destroy the FB at the mesh point. When the WLB sees the OT step inside the DE (and the DE squeeze) he scrapes off of the DE's but and takes QB. When the FS sees option his way, he comes up for pitch. Hopefully, your Nose will not allow the Guard to get off of him and seal the MLB, so you should have the MLB playing FB from the inside, and the DE playing FB from the outside. .....The most common adjustment I've seen from the offense to combat this is the OT turning out on the end and having the QB read the WLB. If the WLB sees a turn out by the OT, he should fill the B-gap as if it was an Iso right at him, and destroy the FB. The DE tries to squeeze the hole and tackles the QB who has to try and go around him when he pulls from the WLB hitting the FB.
On the Midline, the 3 tech MUST SQUEEZE and destroy the FB at the mesh, and the MLB must scrape over the top of the DT and take QB in the B-gap. Again, if the G turns out on the 3, then the MLB fills A-gap, like Iso and takes on the FB.
Once the kids Understand where & why they have their responsibilities, you can run a 4-3 vs. the option.
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Post by jhanawa on Sept 13, 2007 15:12:52 GMT -6
Do you go any two tech's and slant the DT's? Kinda hide the 1/3 gap techs....?
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Post by coachf on Sept 14, 2007 9:07:30 GMT -6
I know when I ran the veer, the toughest thing to account for was the MLB. If that guy wasn't taken care of, he could really wreak a lot of havoc.
But echo what others have said. Bring up your S/S when you are in a sure running situation. Have him wait to step up on the run. Don't line him up immediately.
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Post by gridiron7 on Sept 17, 2007 10:11:01 GMT -6
We run 4-3 a little differently. We will play 2 1-techs, and 2 squeezing 5-techs. The DE's only job is to drive the OT's veer release in to the OG. If they do this, your MLB is free and the QB gets a pull read because of the hard charging DE. The OLB's rip under the TE or WB's block to play C gap on QB. MLB key scrapes from FB to QB to pitch. Our safeties run the alley as soon as the WB/TE attempts to block the OLB. They will see the pitch or take the QB if he tries to get outside. CB's are cover 0, then pitch after they hear/see the run call.
Also 2 1-techs will take midline out of the playbook for many option guys. I would much rather face IV than midline.
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 17, 2007 10:57:27 GMT -6
If your guys get blocked, you are in trouble. If your guys get off blocks you should be ok. Doesn't matter if you have a 3-4-5-6-7- man "line...or a 6-7-8-9 man front... Get off the ball, don't stay blocked, do your job.
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