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Post by option1 on Dec 6, 2019 17:14:16 GMT -6
I've read in the past about a team that wholesale subs a tleast series of O and D. Maybe Jenks? Anyone?
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Post by 19delta on Dec 6, 2019 20:44:04 GMT -6
Small-school football in Illinois...Forreston. they will have 3,000 yards rushing at the end of the year spread out over 6-7 guys. And none of those guys will be a 1,000 yard back.
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Post by coachdubyah on Dec 6, 2019 20:52:02 GMT -6
Typically when your numbers are low, you almost have to. This year I had 25-30 on the roster. I made it a point to try and play everyone. Simply to keep people fresh. Our talent was pretty equal everywhere (we weren’t good) but I decided to do it this way to alleviate some issues of getting gassed.
Good news: we have a lot coming back next year and all have played pretty significantly.
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Post by center on Dec 6, 2019 21:22:15 GMT -6
One of the coaches on this board, (Maybe coachjm?) was at a college that platooned like this. Had a spread base offense Then they had a group that came in and ran DW. Separate group of kids. I read an article about it at one point.
So to apply to small high school ball, you have your normal 2 way starters. Then you train a group to come in and run their small set of plays. Maybe same exact offense, maybe a change up offense.
Even if they can string together a few plays they are helping you.
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Post by bobgoodman on Dec 7, 2019 10:03:14 GMT -6
One of the coaches on this board, (Maybe coachjm?) was at a college that platooned like this. Had a spread base offense Then they had a group that came in and ran DW. Separate group of kids. I read an article about it at one point. So to apply to small high school ball, you have your normal 2 way starters. Then you train a group to come in and run their small set of plays. Maybe same exact offense, maybe a change up offense. Even if they can string together a few plays they are helping you. In 2000 I saw a women's team with a roster of about 50 do that. One offense was pro, the other was dual-snap (to the QB or FB) double wing (with a lot of single wing flavor to it). The real head coach was Alton Rose, who also coached lacrosse and football at Stony Brook HS. (The titular HC was Freeman McNeil of the Jets, just a figurehead.) The double wing squad would come in to start or during a drive, a few times a game, and stay in for a variable duration. It seemed partly but not entirely situational. They seemed to have a large repertoire of plays, but ran a lot of QB wedge.
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Post by wolverine55 on Dec 7, 2019 11:26:05 GMT -6
Not to the extreme of subbing in an entirely new offense or defense, but I've heard a very successful coach in IL talk on this before. His point was there are 66 positions on his football team (offense, defense, kick return, kickoff, punt, and punt return) and if you can't coach a kid to be successful in one of those 66 spots, you don't have a good coaching staff. He said every junior and senior on his varsity team would have a role in at least one of those spots.
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Post by freezeoption on Dec 7, 2019 15:49:13 GMT -6
That article your talking about was in afca newsletter I think. Had a spread offense and separate double wing offense in college. Can't remember which one. Stopped it after year or two.
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Post by coachjm on Dec 7, 2019 15:54:45 GMT -6
One of the coaches on this board, (Maybe coachjm?) was at a college that platooned like this. Had a spread base offense Then they had a group that came in and ran DW. Separate group of kids. I read an article about it at one point. So to apply to small high school ball, you have your normal 2 way starters. Then you train a group to come in and run their small set of plays. Maybe same exact offense, maybe a change up offense. Even if they can string together a few plays they are helping you. Yes we did do this at Siena Heights University in 2011, we were a first year NAIA program of all Freshman we had a mishmash schedule of existing other 4 year programs, two games with another upstart, and some JV teams. Our offensive coordinator was Jeff Hancock and he thought it would be worth trying to get more of our freshman on the field. Plus he was a big believer in the spread offense and thought a unit of the Double Wing would be a great change up. Jeff called the spread plays and I called the double wing stuff It worked well we had a very successful season. It met the objective of playing more guys as well. We had wholesale exchanges of 11 guys sometimes in subsequent plays.... The negative was a rivalry did ensue between the two units and sometimes it was difficult to get in a flow. We did have a huge upset win against Kentucky Wesleyan that was an existing D2 school that I'm certain this system and the double wing in general was a big key to. After that season I took a head coaching position at a local HS and it was determined that they were not going to continue with this method. It was a heck of a lot of fun and perfect for the objectives we had that season however, I would not likely do it again if given the option.
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Post by rsmith627 on Dec 7, 2019 19:34:35 GMT -6
Shoot man, we have JV games where not everybody gets in.
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Post by center on Dec 7, 2019 19:45:56 GMT -6
One of the coaches on this board, (Maybe coachjm?) was at a college that platooned like this. Had a spread base offense Then they had a group that came in and ran DW. Separate group of kids. I read an article about it at one point. So to apply to small high school ball, you have your normal 2 way starters. Then you train a group to come in and run their small set of plays. Maybe same exact offense, maybe a change up offense. Even if they can string together a few plays they are helping you. Yes we did do this at Siena Heights University in 2011, we were a first year NAIA program of all Freshman we had a mishmash schedule of existing other 4 year programs, two games with another upstart, and some JV teams. Our offensive coordinator was Jeff Hancock and he thought it would be worth trying to get more of our freshman on the field. Plus he was a big believer in the spread offense and thought a unit of the Double Wing would be a great change up. Jeff called the spread plays and I called the double wing stuff It worked well we had a very successful season. It met the objective of playing more guys as well. We had wholesale exchanges of 11 guys sometimes in subsequent plays.... The negative was a rivalry did ensue between the two units and sometimes it was difficult to get in a flow. We did have a huge upset win against Kentucky Wesleyan that was an existing D2 school that I'm certain this system and the double wing in general was a big key to. After that season I took a head coaching position at a local HS and it was determined that they were not going to continue with this method. It was a heck of a lot of fun and perfect for the objectives we had that season however, I would not likely do it again if given the option. Coachjm how did you practice this? We’re the units separate during practice? Thanks
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 7, 2019 20:55:28 GMT -6
Shoot man, we have JV games where not everybody gets in. Depending on the set up and program, that actually might make more sense. I could see a logical argument being made that at some programs, if you make or are called up to the Varsity roster, it is for a reason, almost like an NFL game. Other than back up QB I am betting that almost everyone active for a game on an NFL roster plays.
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Post by coachjm on Dec 8, 2019 7:19:13 GMT -6
Yes we did do this at Siena Heights University in 2011, we were a first year NAIA program of all Freshman we had a mishmash schedule of existing other 4 year programs, two games with another upstart, and some JV teams. Our offensive coordinator was Jeff Hancock and he thought it would be worth trying to get more of our freshman on the field. Plus he was a big believer in the spread offense and thought a unit of the Double Wing would be a great change up. Jeff called the spread plays and I called the double wing stuff It worked well we had a very successful season. It met the objective of playing more guys as well. We had wholesale exchanges of 11 guys sometimes in subsequent plays.... The negative was a rivalry did ensue between the two units and sometimes it was difficult to get in a flow. We did have a huge upset win against Kentucky Wesleyan that was an existing D2 school that I'm certain this system and the double wing in general was a big key to. After that season I took a head coaching position at a local HS and it was determined that they were not going to continue with this method. It was a heck of a lot of fun and perfect for the objectives we had that season however, I would not likely do it again if given the option. Coachjm how did you practice this? We’re the units separate during practice? Thanks During practice when we were in indy or group drills we had 3 areas of the field the defense the offense and the X Unit (that was our double wing groups name)... This was a challenge because we had a full field of practice space and really not enough space for a 3rd group of practice.
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Post by option1 on Dec 10, 2019 8:40:28 GMT -6
This was a big deal, "feel good" kinda thing because the team was a powerhouse with 120+ kids on the roster. At least 1 series for O and D was dedicated to a wholesale 11 man sub situation. I probably phrased the thread title and question wrong.
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Post by rwb32497 on Dec 11, 2019 7:31:06 GMT -6
Geoff Collins at Georgia Tech has been doing something similar for years dating back to his Western Carolina days. He doesn't play everyone but simply has a line. If you are above the line you WILL play. I believe his line/depth chart was posted in this manner on Twitter at some point a year or two ago. This makes it so that many players play. I know at one time at Miss St. he had 3 groups on the defensive line getting significant reps. It is strategic in the fact that his best will defiantly play the most snaps and play more in the critical moments.
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Post by chi5hi on Dec 11, 2019 19:09:57 GMT -6
Typically when your numbers are low, you almost have to. This year I had 25-30 on the roster. I made it a point to try and play everyone. Simply to keep people fresh. Our talent was pretty equal everywhere (we weren’t good) but I decided to do it this way to alleviate some issues of getting gassed. Good news: we have a lot coming back next year and all have played pretty significantly. Good coaching!
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