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Post by airman on Jan 29, 2008 14:04:15 GMT -6
Maybe I am getting older and all but I am really beginning to think some coaches have split personalities.
for example, while giving lectures they are all professional like or at the afca convention. speak clearly, call people gentleman , talk about character, graduation rates, you know the drill.
get them in private or one the football field they are foul mouthed , talk about how the strip clubs visits, dirty jokes andthe like.
i have been on the clinic scene for years now and I just like people who are who they are. at least you know who they are. IMO, when a coach presents himself one way and then in private acts another why, makes me wonder if I could really trust them to tell the trusth.
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Post by khalfie on Jan 29, 2008 14:13:06 GMT -6
Huh?
Are you asking if I have a professional demeanor and a private demeanor?
Are you asking if I talk to strangers differently than I talk to friends?
If I treat children different than I treat adults?
There's nothing wrong with consistency of character... but I think you may be reading entirely too much into one's presentation based on circumstance.
My internet persona, is completely different from my public persona...
That doesn't mean I have multiple personalities... it means I am multidimensional, complex.
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Post by spos21ram on Jan 29, 2008 14:25:57 GMT -6
When acting professionally is called for I act professionally. When I'm around the coaches i work with away from the players then I think we all act differently. I'm going to speak to the principal at our school wayyyy different than I would my best friend
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Post by ghscoach on Jan 29, 2008 14:49:09 GMT -6
It is called respect for the situation and those you are speaking too. When you’re giving a lecture at a clinic you need to be professional as you can. An F bomb is not expectable in this situation someone may be offended as you don’t know your whole audience.
Now if you’re bellied up to the bar talking X’s an O’s with your staff or group of friends then the professionalism typically goes out the window as the drinks are consumed. An F bomb here will not likely offend those you know well. Basically I would say it’s knowing where you can say or do what you want or in short political correctness.
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Post by airman on Jan 29, 2008 15:12:04 GMT -6
It is called respect for the situation and those you are speaking too. When you’re giving a lecture at a clinic you need to be professional as you can. An F bomb is not expectable in this situation someone may be offended as you don’t know your whole audience. Now if you’re bellied up to the bar talking X’s an O’s with your staff or group of friends then the professionalism typically goes out the window as the drinks are consumed. An F bomb here will not likely offend those you know well. Basically I would say it’s knowing where you can say or do what you want or in short political correctness. I hate political correctness. it really is self censorship. I hope to see P.C. die a painful death. sort of like water boarding it would be nice.
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Post by brophy on Jan 29, 2008 15:26:18 GMT -6
Much of this profession is politics.
You can fling it from the hip and not realize some of the people you put off (not necessarily offend).
The point being, you have to be cordial.
If you are speaking at a clinic and slur your words, you appear lazy. If you are speaking at a clinic and get vulgar, you appear ignorant. If you are speaking at a clinic and are not organizied, you are telling the audience they aren't important.
If you are speaking at a clinic, you are not there to win friends, you are there to deliver information - so keep that your focus.
Look at the difference between COOL clinics and NIKE clinics. Those same OLine guys will be minding their "p's" and "q's" more than they do in the midst of "their people".
Just like you wouldn't address your employees at a meeting the same as you would at a barbeque.
However, if Pete Carroll speaks at a clinic and espouses the importance of character-building and living religiously, then goes out back and cheats on his wife with hookers..........his MESSAGE (to me) isn't discounted (because it stands on its own), though the MAN might can be discounted.
PS - have any of you had personal relationships with pastors or police (or any other esteemed profession)? They have to keep the appearance for profession, but are regular men in their own skin.
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Post by ghscoach on Jan 29, 2008 15:42:26 GMT -6
It is called respect for the situation and those you are speaking too. When you’re giving a lecture at a clinic you need to be professional as you can. An F bomb is not expectable in this situation someone may be offended as you don’t know your whole audience. Now if you’re bellied up to the bar talking X’s an O’s with your staff or group of friends then the professionalism typically goes out the window as the drinks are consumed. An F bomb here will not likely offend those you know well. Basically I would say it’s knowing where you can say or do what you want or in short political correctness. I hate political correctness. it really is self censorship. I hope to see P.C. die a painful death. sort of like water boarding it would be nice. I would like to see it go as well but, signs are it is here to stay.
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Post by khalfie on Jan 29, 2008 17:17:31 GMT -6
I have no problems with political correctness...
Its nothing more than being respectful...
Moreso, if you so choose, you don't have to be politically correct... just be ready to deal with the ramifications of being disrespectful.
Its quite simple, you can't have your cake and eat it too... either you're going to be a jerk, not care and deal with the ramifications of being such, or you're going to be a jerk, that acts like a nice guy, so he doesn't have to deal with the rest of society acknowledging your jerkitude!
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Post by brophy on Jan 29, 2008 17:56:26 GMT -6
one note further, as a position coach, you can let it fly.....
as a coordinator you can live in your 'personality', but cannot be as obstinate...
but as a HEAD COACH, I think many find that they have to pull in the reigns on the 'attitude' and consciously watch what you say and how you say it. Most, when they become HC, sober up and mature, so its not an issue - but as the representative of a learning institution and should act accordingly.....it is also the reason Mike Price isn't coaching Alabama.
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Post by toddniklaus on Jan 29, 2008 21:16:18 GMT -6
brophy that was well put,
but I see the point he is trying to make
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Post by knighter on Jan 30, 2008 8:49:08 GMT -6
I am who I am. No more, no less. I do not try to become I am someone that I am not to "win over" anyone. I may "alter" my language so as not to offend, but even in an interview situation I find I am most comfortable being the real me. I am one of those kind of people who really do not care what others think of me, if you like me, great, we can hang out, if you don't like me, that's fine too. Just get the hell out of my way.
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Post by tedseay on Jan 30, 2008 10:37:50 GMT -6
I have no problems with political correctness... Its nothing more than being respectful... ...at gunpoint. Respect freely given is worth something; "respect" enforced by the threat of sensitivity training (or worse) is worthless. I'm surprised you're not making that distinction.
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Post by khalfie on Jan 30, 2008 11:22:10 GMT -6
I have no problems with political correctness... Its nothing more than being respectful... ...at gunpoint. Respect freely given is worth something; "respect" enforced by the threat of sensitivity training (or worse) is worthless. I'm surprised you're not making that distinction. I hear ya... But say what you want behind my back... be cordial when face to face... And sure, that speaks to a gutlessness to be unable to say it to my face... but then again, the PC brigade doesn't make anyone do anything... just holds you accountable for what you have done.
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Post by airman on Jan 30, 2008 12:13:36 GMT -6
political correctness = end of first amendment. the first amendment is all about offending people.
and really, If I say some thing which you feel offended about. it is really your problem not mine. it is not my fault you cannot control your thoughts or emotions. It is no longer about right and wrong it is about how you feel. sort of like 2+2=5 in out come based education cause you feel good about your answer.
oh yes, I have been to sensitivity training. it is the biggest scam.
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Post by fad3d on Jan 30, 2008 14:11:05 GMT -6
I think there are about 4 people in this world I can completely let my guard down around. Im a nice guy to the people I work with, but Im not going to drop an F bomb around many of them. Doesnt mean im being a different person, im just not talking with the same language to them.
Lying and being manipulative is one thing, but putting on a suit and your "public speaking" mask is perfectly acceptable in my mind.
Im not going to swear in an interview or in front of my mother. That doesnt mean im not trustworthy - it means i dont have my head up my ass. Its manners and courtesy, not political correctness.
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Post by coachorr on Jan 30, 2008 14:35:53 GMT -6
Seems like a feeble discussion. As in, what color is the sky? Is it blue? Or is it gray, because there are clouds. I think we are all smart enough to ascertain what color the sky is and that not everyone lives by what they say and not everyone believes everthing everyone says. We are what we do and how we act, not the fascade we present. Some religions could learn alot from that.
Political correctness is the end of the 1st amendment.
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Post by crl on Jan 30, 2008 16:02:35 GMT -6
Split personality..."he me shut up I trying to answer this"..."well you always hog the computer" What are we talking about?
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Post by khalfie on Jan 30, 2008 16:19:58 GMT -6
Hill Larry... The end of the first amendment? Political Correctness - Mean what you say, and say what you mean, and be prepared for the COMMUNITY AT LARGE to hold you ACCOUNTABLE and RESPONSIBLE... 1st Amendment - Prohibits the FEDERAL LEGISLATURE, (NOT THE GENERAL POPULUS) from making laws "respecting an establishment of religion" (the "Establishment Clause") or that prohibit free exercise of religion (the "Free Exercise Clause"), laws that infringe the freedom of speech, infringe the freedom of the press, limit the right to assemble peaceably, or limit the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances. I could see how you guys could get that confused... Wait a minute... No I can't!
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Post by brophy on Jan 30, 2008 16:27:16 GMT -6
unrelated, but WHATTHEHELLDOES THIS MEAN?
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Post by morris on Jan 30, 2008 17:03:38 GMT -6
Hill Larry Us I believe is what it means
Where things get intresting I believe is when peopel do nto understand who they are. We are have a perception of the type of person we are but that does not make it true. Some peopel get into coaching and think they are a certain type of coach and honestly they are a completely different type. Even worse they try to force themselves into a mold because they want to be "like" so and so or they want to pattern themselves after so and so.
LeVall Edards once said that he was smart enough to know there is more than one right way to do things. You are who you are no matter if you like, or know it.
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Post by phantom on Jan 30, 2008 18:11:31 GMT -6
I think there are about 4 people in this world I can completely let my guard down around. Im a nice guy to the people I work with, but Im not going to drop an F bomb around many of them. Doesnt mean im being a different person, im just not talking with the same language to them. Lying and being manipulative is one thing, but putting on a suit and your "public speaking" mask is perfectly acceptable in my mind. Im not going to swear in an interview or in front of my mother. That doesnt mean im not trustworthy - it means i dont have my head up my {censored}. Its manners and courtesy, not political correctness. That's how I see it. I have more than four but I may have been around longer but I agree with you. I don't see not walking into a job interview with a dip and a spit cup as being two faced. Nor do I consider it "politically correct" or all that much of a chore to avoid tossing F bombs around people who I wasn't very certain could handle it. It's not that hard to not be an a$$hole.
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Post by phantom on Jan 31, 2008 7:33:44 GMT -6
Note to self: remove dip before job interview. Good tip, thanks Phantom. We're all here to learn.
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