oldcap8
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Post by oldcap8 on May 10, 2007 7:46:15 GMT -6
How does your Athletic Dept. share the funds... We are a relatively new High School (ending our third year) playing in the highest classification in our state (4A). Our AD micro-manages everything...he came from a middle school ( he had HS coaching and MS AD experience, but none as a HS AD). We have one booster club that raise funds for the Athletic Dept. not for any particular sport, but each sport is allowed one fund raiser per YEAR. Like I said he micro-manages so if a coach wants to buy anything, it has to cross his desk ( Just a another way of controlling coaches)
I'm proposing that the AD allowed indiviual fund raising clubs for each sport. Then allocate a portion of the funds raised by each club for the general Athletic Dept. fund...How do you distribute funds at your school?
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Post by spartancoach on May 10, 2007 8:58:08 GMT -6
In our school, each sport has its own booster club, all separately incorporated. Whatever money the booster club for that particular sport raises is available to the head coach of that team to use as he sees fit (subject to booster club executive committee approval).
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Post by fbdoc on May 10, 2007 10:14:03 GMT -6
As a long time AD, I respectfully disagree. The responsibility of the AD is to have a strong Athletic DEPARTMENT and not allow a situation of have an have nots to develope. We have a Booster Club that takes care of all of our teams - uniform purchases rotate on a 4 year cycle for ALL teams and levels among other things - to make sure our department always puts out a professional unified image. Coaches and teams may fund raise for specific items such as camps, BIG ticket items, and the like but we don't want our parents and businesses getting hit up by every team and diminish the ability of our boosters to raise money that is going to help everyone. Our school and it's teams are thriving, compared to when I came here 6 years ago and there were 2 programs that were fundraising giants and everyone else was the Little Sisters of the Poor. A unified Booster Club and a strong AD are critical pieces of a successful athletic program. Micro-managing - NO, Leadership and Direction, YES!
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Post by jhanawa on May 10, 2007 10:24:21 GMT -6
I think there needs to be some common sense applied to it, no way does the basketball team need as much money as the football team. Lot less kids, lot less equipment. Unfortunately football is an EXPENSIVE sport and the general funds pot has a lot of hands in it, so outside fundraising is critical for any good football program to survive and compete. When it comes to outside fundraising, whatever money is raised by that program, should be spent by its head coach for his/her team, whether its football or badmiton, if the kids earned it for their sport, they should reap the reward of their efforts. Old cap, what would happen if 10 new footballs showed up one day at practice, would the AD know? Would he be upset if he found out?
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Post by fbdoc on May 10, 2007 10:27:43 GMT -6
jhanawa - I agree and at our school, the football budget (school $) was significantly higher than the other sports for those very reasons! I had no problem with a coach wanting to raise money for a good cause, and yes, those kids/team DID reap the benfits of their hard work.
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oldcap8
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Post by oldcap8 on May 11, 2007 8:42:37 GMT -6
fbdoc:
I understand that the goal of the AD is to have a healthy Athletic Dept., and you don't want to have, the haves and have-nots, but you can do that without restricting a teams fundraising efforts or its ablility to purchase some items thats needed just because girls softball doesn't fundraise well...(Tell me your opinion of this) I want to propose a "Profit(Donation)- Sharing Model" where each team can form it's own fundraising club and raise as much money as it wants for their sport, but 35% of whatevers raised goes into a General Athletics Fund, that way teams get to raise money to purchase the extras they want and the non revenue generating teams still have funds to work with and fundraise too... What's happening is the booster club is dwendling and the funds are drying up because people are not seeing the funds in the programs their kids participate in, secondly the coaches are getting tire of having to beg for stuff they could easily raise the money for and buy themselves.......
jhanawa
He would ask where the new balls came from ( Last year he was our OC) the HC finally got some "onions in the sack" and told the AD he didn't want him on the staff this year... By the way, in year 1 we had 6 coaching slot and he paid himself a full stipend, in years 2 and 3 we had 8 slots (again he got a full stipend) going into year 4 he was asked not to coach, now all of a sudden there will only be 6 paid slots with one flex position, anything else will be paid for through...fundraising...yet we only get one fundraising event per year....
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Post by fbdoc on May 11, 2007 10:27:04 GMT -6
oldcap - sounds like your AD has some personal issues getting in the way of professional judgement. I hear waht you are saying about the current state of affairs. Since you are the fund raising guru at your school my suggestion is OVER communicate your goals and plans regarding raising money for the team as well as for the program. Get the other major coaches on board and help the AD see that this is good for the entire school and not just a self serving activitity. When I came on board here 6 years ago and pulled the plug on our 2 elite special interest fundraising teams there was a LOT of griping from those 2 sports. It took one full year of the Booster board raising and then Spending money on the teams for most of the nay sayers to get on board. It was a challenge, but I was just at our school's final booster meeting last night and ... our teams have been clothed and equipped to the max, and they still have about $26,000 in the bank! They are actually going to award a special scholarship to our graduating 8 time state champion in TF, who can really use it. Remember what I said in my original post - Good AD provides Leadership and DIrection.
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oldcap8
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Post by oldcap8 on May 11, 2007 18:36:25 GMT -6
Fbdoc: What do you think of the profit sharing idea, I feel it's a win-win...since you run the same model we are TRYING to run  ...could you PM me some of the fundraising ideas that worked well for you? Thanks |
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Post by midlineqb on May 11, 2007 21:57:55 GMT -6
What do you do when the AD is controlled by the Principal? The principal is the one that makes the decision. I guess really all the AD is is a go between.
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Post by coachveer on May 12, 2007 6:12:37 GMT -6
How does your Athletic Dept. share the funds... We are a relatively new High School (ending our third year) playing in the highest classification in our state (4A). Our AD micro-manages everything...he came from a middle school ( he had HS coaching and MS AD experience, but none as a HS AD). We have one booster club that raise funds for the Athletic Dept. not for any particular sport, but each sport is allowed one fund raiser per YEAR. Like I said he micro-manages so if a coach wants to buy anything, it has to cross his desk ( Just a another way of controlling coaches) I'm proposing that the AD allowed individual fund raising clubs for each sport. Then allocate a portion of the funds raised by each club for the general Athletic Dept. fund...How do you distribute funds at your school? Separate booster clubs and fund raising can be good and bad. The good and bad is usually based on how strong the AD is on working with all those groups. A weak AD may be over run by all those separate adgendas....Just be careful with what you wish for. |
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Post by fbdoc on May 12, 2007 7:49:20 GMT -6
The principal should concern himself with teacher and student issues as opposed to the day to day operations of the athletic dept. THAT sounds like a tough place to work.
Cap - I'm sure our fundraising ideas are the same as everyones including banners on the field/gym, programs, all consessions, golf tournaments, memberships (for admission), invitational tournaments, and an annual raffle for a car/vacation/etc. We also allow individual sports to do car washes, etc to raise $ for camps, SOME additional clothing - boosters takes care of ALL uniforms for every team & level. We try not to dip into our parents and business pockets too many times.
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Post by wingman on May 13, 2007 0:14:17 GMT -6
This is the USA not North Korea. If the football players and the football boosters can raise more money than other groups, they should be free to do so. Who is the AD to decide that money raised by football should go to swimming? Let them get off their ass and raise their own money. That's what they do here and everyone is successful.
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Post by fbdoc on May 13, 2007 14:13:11 GMT -6
Wingman, as an AD, my response to that statement/coach would respectfully be, "As a Head Coach at our school, you are member of a team (the athletic Dept.) and you are important, but not more important than your team-mates (the other teams and coaches). As the AD, I am the Head Coach of the Dept. and my goal is to have the best TEAM possible. That means all of the players must be working toward a common goal. Particularly in a small town, we must be sensitive to the parents and businesses and not bleed them financially for the benefit of one or two sports, but work with them in a manner that the department (and therefore your team) will reap the rewards of their financial support."
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oldcap8
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Post by oldcap8 on May 14, 2007 12:01:22 GMT -6
Fbdoc: What is it that you don't like about the profit-sharing idea? I think it's a win-win...
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Post by spartancoach on May 14, 2007 12:39:19 GMT -6
I know that we have a number of boosters that will dig deep to help the football program buy what it needs, but if there was a chance that their donations would be used to buy soccer balls (for example) wouldn't contribute a dime.
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Post by coachshs on May 15, 2007 19:50:43 GMT -6
Wingman, as an AD, my response to that statement/coach would respectfully be, "As a Head Coach at our school, you are member of a team (the athletic Dept.) and you are important, but not more important than your team-mates (the other teams and coaches). As the AD, I am the Head Coach of the Dept. and my goal is to have the best TEAM possible. That means all of the players must be working toward a common goal. Particularly in a small town, we must be sensitive to the parents and businesses and not bleed them financially for the benefit of one or two sports, but work with them in a manner that the department (and therefore your team) will reap the rewards of their financial support." ...... and as I Coach I would say that you are crazy...... I raise $10-$12K a year for my program outside our booster group and if you told me that I had to give it to the other teams I would say that you were crazy. None of the other programs in my school even attempt to raise money, but want handouts from the booster group. When I go ask them for money I am told that I raise my own and can go fly a kite. It is like a welfare system. I am all for team play, but it has it's limits. If the other teams won't work because I am raising their money for them then what is the incentive for any one to raise money? FYI: My budget from the school is $1000/year + 5 paid positions. The gate goes to the general fund and the concession all goes to the boosters. I fully fund my MS (7/8) program and buy everything else for the program out of my fundraising. (Including 60 new helmets last year!) |
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Post by rcole on May 16, 2007 9:54:07 GMT -6
I can't believe no one has mentioned Title IX! I work in a large school district (14 schools) where 95% of the students go to public school. Our district discourages separate booster clubs (but leaves it up to the school...for now) based on Title IX. Bottom line, all sports must be funded equitably. The courts do not care where the money came from. The courts do not care if parents donate time and work....the resulting facilities must be comparable (not identical). If baseball gets $6,000 then softball must get say $4,000. It does not matter how they come by the money. We had a situation at another school in the district where the baseball coach asked for new unis a year early and asked for a batting cage. The AD explained that they could not afford to do it. The coach fund raised with the AD's blessings. He got his unis and his cage. The softball coach demanded the same....and got it. The AD had to do it.
There was actually a law suit in another part of the state that is a similar story to many other suits around the country. There was a high school with a baseball and softball facility close to one another. The baseball program had had only one or two head coaches over a 20+ year period. Consistent leadership, consistent parent involvement, consistent winning, etc. The parents fund raised and volunteered time and talent and made the baseball facility emasculate over a 20 year period. The softball team did not have a consistent coach over the years, had not been successful, and as a result no one had ever activated the parents. The softball facility was embarrassing. Now, for the most part in our state the local individual school handles most of the facilities. Things get built through gate receipts and fund raising. A softball player sued in the late 90's or early 2000's. The schools defense in court is obvious...."but we didn't pay for it, parents did it for their kids over a 20 year period, etc. The judge's decision? I don't care how it got to be this way. I don't care where the money came from or who did the work. You had 20 years to make sure the softball facility was up to snuff and you did not. Cost the district a ton of money.
If our baseball team raises money they have to do it with the softball team and share the money. It is a legal matter.
Now, we all see many flaws with Title IX. There is no need to turn this thread into a debate that has already raged on and on. However, I will say this...I am a football coach and I would tend to agree with my AD/Head football coach who just retired after 42 years on the job. According to him we have Title IX for one reason. "For too long, too many football coaches and AD's were ***holes that crapped on minor sports and women’s sports. If they had been treating them fairly all along we would not be living with this bull crap today."
AD's have many things to consider. Sports coaches often don't see the big picture. This is not a simple situation. It is complex and it is full of possible litigation and liability.
I've never coached football at a school that fund raised for football. We usually got $8,000 to $15,000 per year from gate receipts and the other $50,000 to 80,000 from our football gates went to the general fund. Some more successful football teams in my district may get 27,000. The best schools outside of our district may get 100,000 or more a year for football (this does not include coaches pay).
Oh, and our AD's are also teachers who actually teach classes, not full time AD's.
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Post by coachhortman on May 20, 2007 21:04:49 GMT -6
A private school is a little different such as the one that I work at. There is a booster club for football, track, and baseball. All of the sports, have their own camps that they raise money for and several of the same folks contribute to the different sports. Football is the most popular sport on campus and makes the most from gate receipts. The booster club is outstanding by having 4 to 5 different fundraisers a year such as Meet the Players night that has a silent auction and a live auction to go with it. A golf tourney , I think I heard that a fishing tourney will be next. Track and basketball don't need as much money as football to be successful. The school has a budget for everything but to get anything extra depends on fundraising for each coach.
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...could you PM me some of the fundraising ideas that worked well for you?
