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Post by wjblue on Jun 20, 2005 11:58:54 GMT -6
I would like to know in general what offense you think best enables a less talented team to overcome a superior opponent and why.
Also, what offense do you feel is the best to run with limited size and why? What offense is the best to run with limited speed and why? What offense is best to run with limited skill and why? Thanks.
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Post by tog on Jun 20, 2005 12:05:55 GMT -6
there are a few equalizer offenses in my mind
1. spread/gun/jets/bunch (what we run)
2. air raid, 5 wide style
3. option variants (split back veer, double slot/flexbone, wishbone)
4. wing t (especially slot t south texas style) misdirection trickery offense
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Post by cookiemonster on Jun 20, 2005 18:23:22 GMT -6
The Fly gives you a chance even when you dont have the talent.It is based on the fly sweep with counters coming off it.
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Post by tog on Jun 20, 2005 21:12:20 GMT -6
cookie monster
you run any of this out of the gun?
what kind of kid do you look for to be the jet guy?
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Post by cookiemonster on Jun 21, 2005 6:29:24 GMT -6
Yes we do run it out of gun.About 3yrs ago we had some really talented skill kids and we ran a series called pop and belly.We ran this under center with a RB faking inside zone and out of gun with our QB faking what ever we wanted.We had a hard time with the under center stuff because it was dead if someone came off the edge.After that year we graduated all of our talent so we started looking for something that would give us a chance to win and we found it in the Fly Offense.Now the Fly is not a series it is our entire offense.We went 6-4 in a district we have no buisness competeing in.
We would love to fill our Sweeper spot with a go daddy but unfortunately we can't, so our Sweeper is a little quick kid who runs about a 13 second 100m.He is very savy and is as quick as anyone but we will have to run alot more inside and read sweep than outside sweep with him.
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Post by tog on Jun 21, 2005 12:21:24 GMT -6
what are you referring to as read sweep with the jet/fly?
can you start a post about it in the run section?
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champyun
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Post by champyun on Jun 21, 2005 17:01:55 GMT -6
Wing-T
Nasty Slot Wing-T
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Post by tog on Jun 21, 2005 19:11:36 GMT -6
champ, don't you just hate seeing the good nasty slot wing t teams that don't give away the play by alignment
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champyun
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Post by champyun on Jun 23, 2005 17:18:37 GMT -6
Oh yeah tog. Saw many of them in South Texas run this O very well. To name a few: Refugio, Gregory-Portland, Aransas Pass (when Gary Davenport was there), etc.
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Post by tog on Jun 23, 2005 19:10:26 GMT -6
nasty is right
that crap is hard to stop
it also just grinds the clock and puts spread teams at an disadvantage because they can't get in rythem at times
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Post by Olineiq on Jun 23, 2005 23:43:57 GMT -6
I like the I bone with wr 7 yards from the tackle. Start with the base play iso using the sniffer back and eather give to the fullback or carry out the option with the tailback.
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Post by Coach Morgan on Jun 24, 2005 18:37:34 GMT -6
Double Wing baby! The pass plays: Toss, Wedge, Cut, and Counter/Counter Criss-Cross are a bear to stop. You outnumber defenses at the point of attack. We had a line that averaged about 180-190 pounds and we ran Toss all night against a team that that several players that landed D1 or D1-AA rides. The main thing is to develop a passing game out of it - you can "bleed" yourself to death sometimes. We actually run about 50% double wing, 30% I, and 20% Bunch. Once we simplified the terminology and focused on core plays, it's tough to stop.
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Post by coachcalande on Jun 25, 2005 14:53:38 GMT -6
has to be double wing. tight splits, short pulls, constant double teams, traps and cut blocks. always outnumbering and giving impossible misdirection and power...has turned around two schools ive been at.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jun 28, 2005 12:23:21 GMT -6
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Post by groundchuck on Jul 4, 2005 13:00:53 GMT -6
Depends on what your limitations are. No OL, then option and throw the ball quickly. No WRs or QB who can throw, run the ball and play to your strengths.
My situation...we are very limited in terms of personnel. Not alot of speed or size. We run option, and will be throwing more this year and using a lot more gun option. The more I look at it the more I like it.
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Post by Split50 on Jul 4, 2005 19:14:59 GMT -6
tog and champ, you are so right about the "nasty slot". It can be very tough to defend. You almost have to sell out to stop the run. Then, look out.
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Post by gamedog on Jul 14, 2005 20:15:25 GMT -6
The T. When done right your saturday film sucks because the filmer is following the wrong guy. I loved the 5 years I was in it. Never lost to a spread team and they got frustrated. Great offense for keeping a more talented offense on the other sideline on the sidelines. We won more than one playoff game where the other team was yelling at us to run a play. 17 play drives and snapping the ball with 1 second on the 25 can frustrate the crap outta the other team.
Tog the boys at LH do pretty good job huh?
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Post by DLine06 on Jul 14, 2005 21:16:47 GMT -6
If anyone has a site devoted to Nasty Slot, plz let me have the url and any ideas. |
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Post by tog on Jul 15, 2005 14:22:46 GMT -6
omg gamedog
they are unreal, no keys or giveaways that a lot of those slot-t teams have
they just see how you are playing it and then rip you apart
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Post by homerj on Jul 16, 2005 8:52:16 GMT -6
So LH doesn't give away keys to their plays by rb alignment? Ouch, that could be tough to defend. We play them this year. I coached the slot-t in s. texas, we had all kinds of keys. I thought most of the slot-t teams esp. Bruce Bush protege's kept with the "system?"
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Post by tog on Jul 16, 2005 8:57:49 GMT -6
most of the protege's have kept the system from what I know, and there are keys.
From what I remember about how our DC was bitching about it, LH does not.
That's why they had 3 1000 yard rushers (or was it 2000yd?) and had broke the national record for rushing offense in a year. And those kids were good athletes, but they were nothing special athlete wise. Total system thing that the kids obviously bought into and got it done, and done well.
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homerj
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Post by homerj on Jul 16, 2005 9:07:51 GMT -6
I think it was 3 2000 yard rushers.
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Post by cre44 on Jul 16, 2005 18:21:24 GMT -6
What type of stuff do they run in the nasty slot wingt? What do you mean by 'keys'? Please give more detail as we might want to incorporate some of that stuff into our wing...
Thanks!
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Post by tog on Jul 16, 2005 18:32:16 GMT -6
champ
how would you describe that stuff? you have seen it a lot more than I have
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Post by DLine06 on Jul 16, 2005 20:16:04 GMT -6
I'm a big fan of the Nasty Slots to the Wing-T. That crazy formation is a combination of Wing-t till Nasty.
If anyone has anything about Nasty Slots, please please post the information in the Running Game Folder in the thread: Nasty Slot.
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Post by gamedog on Jul 19, 2005 12:56:37 GMT -6
The OC does a great job of setting up the defense with his play calling. Runs the option pitch enough to keep the outside guys honest and they run the trap awesome. Their use of motions just befor the snap is what, I think, is the most confusing for defenses. You get the defenses eyes off of their key for a split second and the ball is snapped and the offense has a step on you. I always liked taking their slot stuff and incorporating it into our dead t stuff we did.
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cre44
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Post by cre44 on Jul 19, 2005 15:18:20 GMT -6
Can you explain in a little more detail what the nasty slot is and what type of plays they are running? Are they running wing-t plays? Modifications to it?
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homerj
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Post by homerj on Jul 19, 2005 19:12:52 GMT -6
It is basically the wing-t, but the tb is in the slot position on the quick side and the half back is in the backfield in the T position. They have a receiver (swingman) next to (outside) the slot. The run the buck series both ways and off tackle (belly) series both ways.
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Post by gamedog on Jul 19, 2005 20:52:45 GMT -6
Gut trap, tackle trap, belly, belly G, belly option(usually a pitch all the way), Power sweeps, PAPasses. Lots of misdirection and motions on the count just before the snap.
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Post by tog on Jul 29, 2005 14:00:36 GMT -6
let's hear more about this
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