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Post by amikell on Mar 3, 2007 13:14:18 GMT -6
Just finished up our local football clinic, and had a thought about how your community views your staff. What i mean is that many coaches drink, but not in public, b/c they do not want that negative image in the community. Some others may drink, but not wearing a school shirt or jacket. still others don't care either way. Does your staff have a policy on this, if so what is it? Our staff doesn't really drink, I'm really the only drinker, but others will on occasion. Our HC made it pretty clear that if you go out while at a clinic he doesn't want us wearing school appearal so as to give a negative image. I also know this may be different in small towns than in big ones. Just made me curious as to what others' policies are.
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Post by knight9299 on Mar 3, 2007 13:46:19 GMT -6
Just finished up our local football clinic, and had a thought about how your community views your staff. What i mean is that many coaches drink, but not in public, b/c they do not want that negative image in the community. Some others may drink, but not wearing a school shirt or jacket. still others don't care either way. Does your staff have a policy on this, if so what is it? Our staff doesn't really drink, I'm really the only drinker, but others will on occasion. Our HC made it pretty clear that if you go out while at a clinic he doesn't want us wearing school appearal so as to give a negative image. I also know this may be different in small towns than in big ones. Just made me curious as to what others' policies are. I will not drink if I'm wearing anything that represents my school. Not a staff policy just a personal policy. I do this mainly because of that small minority who think drinking is the devil. Any little thing to keep people thinking I'm an upstanding citizen..
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Post by coachcb on Mar 3, 2007 14:01:54 GMT -6
This is the one area that we, as a staff, still had say over at the last HS we worked at. The parents and community were very critical about everything we did, but we held our own on this subject. This community is notoriously tough on coaching staffs, even when you're doing well with the kids and winning games. The HS basically turns over most of the assistant staff every 2 years.
We all went to a local college football game one afternoon and did a little bit of tailgating in the student section. Nothing over the top, but we all had a beer in our hand and half of us we wearing caps with the HS colors. A parent (who had her family and kids in the student tailgating section vs the alumni section) called the next Monday and complained that we were "displaying unsavory behavior". None of us were drunk, none of us were obnoxious, but we were on the spot for being seen with alcohol.
Our AD and the HC really went to bat for us on that one; we were grown adults and legal to drink and the woman was told so. Funny thing was, the next summer, I was downtown at a concert (not drinking) and saw her son, wondering down Main St, tuned to high heaven.
I don't drink much at all anymore, I'll go out and have a drink or two every couple of months, if that. I don't condone any body in education making a public a$$ out of themselves while drinking. However, there's a big difference between going out and having a few drinks and getting falling down drunk in public.
I do agree with your HCs policy on drinking at clinics; no school colors.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2007 17:28:43 GMT -6
We have victory parties after home wins and those are at a very public place that supports our program. Lots of parents there. We kind of have an understanding that none of us have to go to those parties but if we do we need to be responsible and appropriate. If we want a little livelier celebration then we go to a house.
On the road we try to keep it straight up with no colors flying.
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Post by amikell on Mar 3, 2007 17:39:03 GMT -6
yea, i like the drinking and school colors thing. lots of sense. good point about being and edcator and setting an example.
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Post by coachjim on Mar 4, 2007 2:03:26 GMT -6
I think the days of Coach Buttermaker and the Bad News Bears are over. Although there is something rebelious and unique about a drunken coach, its just a movie. As a representative of our team and kids, I would not be seen out in public drinking. Image, professionalism, and being a good role model at youth level is more important than anything.
I believe coaches need to be held to a higher standard and request that of my staff. Its not that drinking is such a bad thing, its just that it shouldn't really be an issue in my opinion. If it is, you have bigger problems than just how it looks to others.
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Post by spartancoach on Mar 4, 2007 8:00:14 GMT -6
Most of our parents are also members of the booster club. After games and parent meetings, the parents typically invite the coaching staff to some local establishment for a beer or two. Of course, no one gets out of control, but the parents seem to really like it when most of the staff attends.
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Post by ajreaper on Mar 4, 2007 9:07:14 GMT -6
I wonder how many coaches who think it unwise to be seen drinking in public have no problems what so ever smoking or chewing in public? Does the same standard apply?
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Post by champ93 on Mar 4, 2007 9:15:23 GMT -6
Everything in moderation...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2007 9:57:55 GMT -6
With the first program I coached at, we all went toa local bowling alley after home games for a few--after we upset a nationally ranked team in the playoffs it was more than a few, but that's a different story. Anyway, none of us got out of hand, and the alley was owned by the mother of one of our players. I guess maybe it depends on the community--more people would have been disappointed if we didnt' make our postgame appearance than the other way around.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2007 9:59:57 GMT -6
In terms of drinking at a clinic, I don't really go out at those. I just have a few beers with other coaches there. I guess one thing that's good about a rural community--I have to drive to get to clinics, no one from my community is going to see me there.
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Post by coachcb on Mar 4, 2007 13:51:34 GMT -6
I stay away from booze at clinics; but I didn't used to. I went to a clinic at Utah while Meyers was still there; and had a couple of beers the night before. I wasn't falling down drunk by any stretch of the imagination, but I had enough to give me a nasty headache the next morning. Almost ruined the clinic for me; I felt like crap for most of the clinic. I didn't really drink all that much, but I also hadn't eaten on the drive down.
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Post by knight9299 on Mar 4, 2007 14:01:43 GMT -6
I wonder how many coaches who think it unwise to be seen drinking in public have no problems what so ever smoking or chewing in public? Does the same standard apply? Nothing drives me nuts more than an opposing coach with a big ol' chaw in. Classy, real classy.
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Post by coachcb on Mar 4, 2007 14:11:03 GMT -6
I hear you on that one knighter; one year we had an entire staff that chewed during practice and at games. I was a nicotine addict too, but I never had a dip in during practice or during a game. In fact, the last time I quit chewing (been "clean" for a year) was during a football season; I just used the patches.
Here's my question; how do you suspend a kid for a tobacco violation while you've got a big ol' wad of Levi Garrett in your mouth at practice?? Even if he's under-age; you're still running a double edge sword. You'd never think about popping open a beer on the sideline; why aren't you viewing tobacco the same way.
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Post by oguru on Mar 4, 2007 18:26:14 GMT -6
It's funny but a couple years ago I was refereeing to supplement my high schoolo coaching slary while going to college and one of the questios on thwe NFHS rules test was whats the penalty for a coachin chewing tobacco. The answer was automatic ejection. Why because the majority of high school fields are on school property and it's against the law to chew tobacco on school property. The sad part is the enxt week iw as doing a Jayvee game and a coach was qustioning a call that I mad and spit a big wad of chew that hit my shoes. I immediately thrwe a flag,and kicked him out of the game for chewing tobacco on school property. He didn't even know the rule.
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Post by airman on Mar 4, 2007 19:09:07 GMT -6
not sure where you are all from but in wisconsin(where i am from) drinking is sort of a rite of passage. kids start early. drinking was for a long time the really only thing kids did now meth is big. you can buy beer and the hard stuff at the grocery store for pet sake, not to mentin the tons of convience stores.
I guess is is cause of the hold the brewing industry has on the state and the number of taverns(bars) which dot the state is why drinking is tolerated. heck a DWI is not a felony in wi tell your thrid one. drinking road blocks were declared illegal and unconstitutional
I mean we are the only state I know where the snowmobile trails and atv trails hookup tavern to tavern. the big german population likes to work hard and play hard.
it all depends on the town as well. I know a guy who got two dwi's and finally lost his job. I mean he was publically drunk all the time I know a guy who lost his job after 1 dwi as well.
the smaller the community the more they would accept a coach who drinks.
in the cold wi winters the tavern is more of a social gathering. heck it is not uncommon to see underage kids with their parents in a tavern. general rule is 8:30 all underage kids have to leave the tavern.
as a rule i do not drink during football season. now softball season, since I play for a bar, I have a few. I am however on top of things. I have a limit and I do not go past it. last thing I want it to get a dwi.
as for coaches being held to a higher standard, I agree and disagree. I agree we are setting a example but I diagree cause you can be the owner of a bank and be the town drunk and no one cares. I certainly would care when it comes to my money in a bank where the president is a drunk.
i do agree about not drinking with school colors on. just giving those who want to complain a chance to do it. I mean there is stupid and then there is really stupid.
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Post by wildcat on Mar 4, 2007 19:17:00 GMT -6
As far as drinking goes, I just can't hang anymore like I did when I was 22 (I'm 32 now). I drink six bears or so, I'm ready to go to bed!
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Post by coachcb on Mar 4, 2007 19:33:59 GMT -6
Amen to that one airman; the best beer I have ever had was a micro-brew from Wisconsin.
Drinking is the same way in MT; it really is a rite of passage in most communities. It still is in the uptight community I coached in, but mom and dad just haven't figured it out yet. That HS has a serious drinking problem and it's come to light more than once. In the summer, it's not uncommon to see these likttle morons walking around downtown with a drink in their hands.
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Post by coachjoe3 on Mar 5, 2007 0:47:48 GMT -6
As far as drinking goes, I just can't hang anymore like I did when I was 22 (I'm 32 now). I drink six bears or so, I'm ready to go to bed! Haha! Same here! It was the first sign I was getting old! My opinion, no drinking, smoking, chewing or cussing while wearing school colors or otherwise representing the school. If it isn't necessarily a school policy, maybe coaches should think about making it a personal/staff policy. Parents need to trust the guys that they leave their kids with almost every day of the week. Part of that trust is earned by setting an example. There's time for all that other stuff somewhere else . . . A couple beers after sessions at a clinic, no problem if there's no school colors worn, but "everything in moderation" as champ93 said elsewhere in this thread. Nothing wrong with that . . . Just my opinion.
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Post by airman on Mar 5, 2007 15:33:58 GMT -6
As far as drinking goes, I just can't hang anymore like I did when I was 22 (I'm 32 now). I drink six bears or so, I'm ready to go to bed! what the wildcat is becoming a light weight??
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Post by airman on Mar 5, 2007 15:38:28 GMT -6
Amen to that one airman; the best beer I have ever had was a micro-brew from Wisconsin. Drinking is the same way in MT; it really is a rite of passage in most communities. It still is in the uptight community I coached in, but mom and dad just haven't figured it out yet. That HS has a serious drinking problem and it's come to light more than once. In the summer, it's not uncommon to see these likttle morons walking around downtown with a drink in their hands. yes, the micro brews are starting to become huge. New Holstein has one of the better brews. beer adn cheese, yes they go to gether in wisconsin. tons of cheese factories to. heck, there are 3 in my neck of the woods. I was at one of those uptight schools. they accepted they had a drinking problem but the whole gang problem they did not want to deal with. I can tell you this, ICE fishing is really a term for lets go sit on a shack, on a frozen lake and drink a few beers in wisconsin. more about the drinking then the fishing. my plan is always beer then a soda, then a beer, then a soda if I have to drive. if I follow this I can have 2 a hr and still be okay.
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Post by wildcat on Mar 5, 2007 17:15:09 GMT -6
As far as drinking goes, I just can't hang anymore like I did when I was 22 (I'm 32 now). I drink six bears or so, I'm ready to go to bed! what the wildcat is becoming a light weight?? Yeah...I guess I qualify!
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Post by airman on Mar 5, 2007 19:10:53 GMT -6
what the wildcat is becoming a light weight?? Yeah...I guess I qualify! six beers in 2 hrs gets me totally wasted according to BAC. oh to have 1.0 again.
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