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Post by jrarick on May 11, 2008 19:10:54 GMT -6
We're starting to use video projectors and large screens a little differently. Imagine a projector hung from the ceiling - above your players. Empty room. The video that is playing are your offensive linemen blocking your defensive scheme. Your LB's are watching - actually practicing their key reads. Put it on DVD/VHS and let them practice it at home. Loop your plays.
Do the same with QB drops, sprints and rolls on the offensive side. Lots of reps, nobody gets hurt. Now - you don't get a lot of "knowledge of results" unless a coach is standing there. But ... you could add some correction/feedback at the end of each play by pointing out the correct movement, receiver choice etc.
Talk about increasing important reps!
Jack Rarick Holt Football O Line Coach Braintree Athletic Systems
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Post by Coach Huey on May 11, 2008 19:29:25 GMT -6
We're starting to use video projectors and large screens a little differently. Imagine a projector hung from the ceiling - above your players. Empty room. The video that is playing are your offensive linemen blocking your defensive scheme. Your LB's are watching - actually practicing their key reads. Put it on DVD/VHS and let them practice it at home. Loop your plays. Do the same with QB drops, sprints and rolls on the offensive side. Lots of reps, nobody gets hurt. Now - you don't get a lot of "knowledge of results" unless a coach is standing there. But ... you could add some correction/feedback at the end of each play by pointing out the correct movement, receiver choice etc. Talk about increasing important reps! Jack Rarick Holt Football O Line Coach Braintree Athletic Systems expound on the specifics of your film study ... what angles are filmed and what is shown to the players. we film a sideline wide and an endzone tight during practice and watch/dissect during player meetings. what innovations are you doing?
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Post by coachd5085 on May 11, 2008 19:45:17 GMT -6
I THINK..(could be wrong) what he is saying is that the film from the POV of the player..specifically for mental reps. Basically the camera "is" the LB/safety...and it sees the blocking schemes.
Similar to the 5 or 6 coverage ID's shown on the Slack C4 video on that subject.
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Post by jrarick on May 13, 2008 10:31:03 GMT -6
The video is blown up to life size on a very large screen - or on a wall. The Mike LB is in a good stance and reading his keys. On the snap of the ball he reads his key and attacks.
Sorry I didn't explain it very well. We'll post it to youtube soon.
Jack
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Post by Coach Huey on May 13, 2008 11:56:38 GMT -6
who films it? i.e. is someone standing where the lb stands during practice with a camera? or do you just use the end zone view for this?
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Post by jrarick on May 15, 2008 18:24:33 GMT -6
We filmed it in the off season vs bags. We put the camera exactly where the Mike LB would stand. (4-3 team). We then ran it off a script; straight dive, trap, Iso, zone, pass - both sides, scrambled and copied the clips, lots of reps. We'll get it up on youtube this weekend.
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Post by brophy on Jun 10, 2008 13:16:21 GMT -6
Just a curiosity to this topic, what are some things that can be defined as 'market inefficiencies' within High School football (coaching) that we can look at exploring taking advantage of arbitrage opportunities, that just haven't been realized to date? In particular.....refining some of our standard practices that could stand to be 'challenged' or made more streamlined for a better return....taking advantage of the 'unseen' factors that we don't factor in as being the "most important things"; ex. 1) eliminating warmup stretch 2) taking advantage of more onside kicks / 4th down conversions 3) improved drill instruction by focussing on specific fundamentals of scheme progression 4) re-examining what is truly important from a day-to-day basis (and what doesn't matter) 5) re-examining performance evaluation by quantifiable methods (focussing on the important elements) 6) eliminating superflous pre-game activities 7) re-examining scout methods or game plan data. 8) exploring more adaptive information delivery methods to impart the 'plan' and concept to all the athletes on the team .............
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Post by kcbazooka on Jun 10, 2008 14:24:27 GMT -6
I'll take on "6) eliminating superflous pre-game activities" the longer I coach the more I think most coaches overdo the pregame warmup. ex - last week at camp we got off the bus and had a game in fifteen minutes -- are kids did a quick warmup and were ready to play - no position breakdowns - got loose and played -- seemed not effect their play that we hadn't been out an hour before and done our normal pregame routine and then rested for 30 minutes. Have seen other coaches start their warmup almost two hours before game time -- different ways to skin a cat, but------ have had some of our best games when we couldn't go out for pregame because of lightning -- refs then gave both teams fifteen minutes and we were at it -- again i didn't see less effort or preparation from our team.
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Post by brophy on Jun 10, 2008 14:38:52 GMT -6
another element, and maybe this will drive the point home better..... but eliminating the "old school way of thinking". Can you do without Two-a-Days? What does it REALLY accomplish? TWICE a day? What do you want to accomplish? Getting information across, or making kids tougher? Could you accomplish the very same thing another way? Could you get more out of those practices if they were ONE 2-segmented 4 hour practice? Some of the practices we do, because its just what we've done, not because its EFFICIENT........ without getting lost on the minutiae of "two-a-days", the point we should focus on is; WHAT DO WE OVER-VALUE IN FOOTBALL?(that we could eliminate or streamline)
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Post by superpower on Jun 10, 2008 14:44:58 GMT -6
Good question re: two-a-days as this is an issue that I am forced to deal with this year. I have always done two-a-days, running from 3:45 - 6:00 pm and 7:00 - 9:00 pm. This year school starts the same day that practice starts, and I don't know about two-a-days the same week the players start school. I don't want to overload them. We are looking at just going with one long practice each day that week, maybe 3:45 - 7:00.
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Post by jw8 on Jun 10, 2008 20:34:02 GMT -6
Superpower- Being in Kansas as well we are in the same situation. We have found over the past few years that 1 longer practice has not been a big negative. I left a staff that phased out two-a-days and took that with me to my first head coaching job. I looked at the information that we wanted to get across and the time it took and decided to put it into one practice. Will do that again this season.
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Post by kurtbryan on Jun 11, 2008 9:12:08 GMT -6
We're starting to use video projectors and large screens a little differently. Imagine a projector hung from the ceiling - above your players. Empty room. The video that is playing are your offensive linemen blocking your defensive scheme. Your LB's are watching - actually practicing their key reads. Put it on DVD/VHS and let them practice it at home. Loop your plays. Question: How much time does it take to set this all up, edit it and get ready for the players? Thanks, KB
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Post by brophy on Jun 11, 2008 9:26:17 GMT -6
in regards to the innovative ideas forthcoming.... it also goes along with how you want to put it into perspective.
Are you looking to be Lewis & Clark, trail-blazing new frontiers....
or simply the designer of the Interstate (following the same route, just more efficiently)?
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Post by fbdoc on Jun 11, 2008 9:31:13 GMT -6
We have done our 2 a days using one LONG practice for several years and it has been very good for us. We go 3:30 PM to 7:30 PM. We drill/individual on the field and sometimes in the gym, we lift and do agility/quickness in the weight room, and we'll watch video in the classroom. We can break it down into 1's and 2's, Backs and Linemen, or any other grouping as needed. We have found our kids, and our coaches, are much fresher and that the learning curve is much better by the end of the first week. We generally scrimmage that Saturday and then have 2 or 3 more LONG sessions before going into our regular in school schedule.
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Post by airraider on Jun 11, 2008 9:38:36 GMT -6
I read in some study that athletes actually perform better during the periods of time that they train.. so if you practice at 3pm everyday.. based on this study.. the ideal time to play a game would be 3pm.. if this were proven true.. would/should more people hold 7pm practices?
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Post by superpower on Jun 11, 2008 11:15:55 GMT -6
Thanks for the feedback on practice schedules. We are leaning toward a 3:45 - 7:30 schedule for the first week.
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Post by davecisar on Jun 11, 2008 13:31:51 GMT -6
Eight seasons ago at the youth level we did the unthinkable at the time: Went from 5 days a week to 3 days a week then 2 days a week practices (after first game) Eliminated all Cals Eliminated all Agilities Eliminated all Conditioning Eliminated static evaluations of players ( 40 times, agility run times etc etc) Eliminated about 70% of our scrimmaging Went to 50% plus full group reps Put fun into nearly every drill and activity we do Do nearly everything fit and freeze Worked tirelessly on perfecting the basics with extreme focus on a few critical success factors using perfect technique progressions Huge positive results At the time most everyone thought we were crazy. We caught a ton of flack. My kids havent done a wind sprint, sit up, leg lift, burpee, carioce, in 8 seasons. When I set up the new program here 5 years ago, they thought the same thing, we were nuts, the kids would turn out soft etc Local youth team had won 4-5 games total in previous 5 seasons combined with 50-60 kids on the team and lots of kids never seeing the field at all, never. We went 33 games before we lost our first one with just 22-23 kids, no cuts.
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Post by fbdoc on Jun 11, 2008 16:30:07 GMT -6
Dave - Sounds like the St. Johns system...
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Post by davecisar on Jun 11, 2008 19:20:17 GMT -6
8 seasons ago I had no Idea who St Johns was and neither did any of the coaches or parents LOL.
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Post by airraider on Jun 11, 2008 20:47:04 GMT -6
Eight seasons ago at the youth level we did the unthinkable at the time: Went from 5 days a week to 3 days a week then 2 days a week practices (after first game) Eliminated all Cals Eliminated all Agilities Eliminated all Conditioning Eliminated static evaluations of players ( 40 times, agility run times etc etc) Eliminated about 70% of our scrimmaging Went to 50% plus full group reps Put fun into nearly every drill and activity we do Do nearly everything fit and freeze Worked tirelessly on perfecting the basics with extreme focus on a few critical success factors using perfect technique progressions Huge positive results At the time most everyone thought we were crazy. We caught a ton of flack. My kids havent done a wind sprint, sit up, leg lift, burpee, carioce, in 8 seasons. When I set up the new program here 5 years ago, they thought the same thing, we were nuts, the kids would turn out soft etc Local youth team had won 4-5 games total in previous 5 seasons combined with 50-60 kids on the team and lots of kids never seeing the field at all, never. We went 33 games before we lost our first one with just 22-23 kids, no cuts. We are cutting out agilities and team warmups and stretches.. also going to try to cut out conditioning.. we will only do roughly 18-20 plays of offense and defense in a team session. Will be heavy on group and indo work.. will work hard to have each and every player moving at all times.. (in place of conditioning) with high tempo drills
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Post by davecisar on Jun 11, 2008 21:10:35 GMT -6
Well airraider. after 2 1/2 years glad we can agree on something. On air offensive plays or defensive rec every 12-15 seconds. ( coach calling cadence) Angle Form tackling (fit/freeze) every 6 seconds, even splatter tackling and blocking (to mats) every 10 seconds First 2 step (offense) first 3 steps (defense) one rep every 8 seconds (coach calling cadence) For 7 seasons I had just done things because I had always done them and everyone else was doing it the same way. Stood back and said why are we doing X,Y,Z what real value do they give to us excelling at the critical success factors of our mission? I examined EVERYTHING, no sacred cows.
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Post by davecisar on Jun 11, 2008 22:08:35 GMT -6
We also have gone from a 60 or 90 minute pre-game to a 30 minute one. Not a single opponnent we have played in the last 8 seasons has had a pregame under an hour, many get there 2 hours early.
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Post by lochness on Jun 12, 2008 5:53:03 GMT -6
Eight seasons ago at the youth level we did the unthinkable at the time: Went from 5 days a week to 3 days a week then 2 days a week practices (after first game) Eliminated all Cals Eliminated all Agilities Eliminated all Conditioning Eliminated static evaluations of players ( 40 times, agility run times etc etc) Eliminated about 70% of our scrimmaging Went to 50% plus full group reps Put fun into nearly every drill and activity we do Do nearly everything fit and freeze Worked tirelessly on perfecting the basics with extreme focus on a few critical success factors using perfect technique progressions Huge positive results At the time most everyone thought we were crazy. We caught a ton of flack. My kids havent done a wind sprint, sit up, leg lift, burpee, carioce, in 8 seasons. When I set up the new program here 5 years ago, they thought the same thing, we were nuts, the kids would turn out soft etc Local youth team had won 4-5 games total in previous 5 seasons combined with 50-60 kids on the team and lots of kids never seeing the field at all, never. We went 33 games before we lost our first one with just 22-23 kids, no cuts. That is interesting. What drove your and your staff to make this decision. I can't think of anything (other than hearing how well it has worked for you) that would make me think that this is a good idea in a vacuum.
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Post by davecisar on Jun 12, 2008 6:45:20 GMT -6
As stated in the subsequent post, we looked at our mission ( had to define the mission first) and critical success factors ( have to define those as well) and asked ourselves on everything we did, how exactly is this activity specifically helping us succeed and making progress on those critical success factors. It's all about priorities, then putting into effect time saving methods and high speed tempo into what you choose to do. Like many, prior to this I was doing what had always been done per my experiences in youth, High School and College ball. We were able to combine, shorten and eliminate much of what we used to do and over the last 8 seasons refine it even more.
We practice far less than any team in our league and it has only improved our competitiveness. IMHO many youth coaches practice too much because they run such inefficient and poorly prioritzed practices. Again all tied to your mission, for us youth football should be instructive, competitive AND fun so they develop and love and appreciation for the game.
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Post by airman on Jun 12, 2008 15:34:08 GMT -6
one thing I feel which I have done it go less 7 on 7. 7 on 7 to us is a blitz period.
another thing for wr which I really put into play is foot skills for wr. If you can run a route to perfection you can beat most dbs.
another thing which I have worked on is violent yard drills for wr.
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Post by davecisar on Jun 12, 2008 16:19:22 GMT -6
Eight seasons ago at the youth level we did the unthinkable at the time: Went from 5 days a week to 3 days a week then 2 days a week practices (after first game) Eliminated all Cals Eliminated all Agilities Eliminated all Conditioning Eliminated static evaluations of players ( 40 times, agility run times etc etc) Eliminated about 70% of our scrimmaging Went to 50% plus full group reps Put fun into nearly every drill and activity we do Do nearly everything fit and freeze Worked tirelessly on perfecting the basics with extreme focus on a few critical success factors using perfect technique progressions Huge positive results At the time most everyone thought we were crazy. We caught a ton of flack. My kids havent done a wind sprint, sit up, leg lift, burpee, carioce, in 8 seasons. When I set up the new program here 5 years ago, they thought the same thing, we were nuts, the kids would turn out soft etc Local youth team had won 4-5 games total in previous 5 seasons combined with 50-60 kids on the team and lots of kids never seeing the field at all, never. We went 33 games before we lost our first one with just 22-23 kids, no cuts. That is interesting. What drove your and your staff to make this decision. I can't think of anything (other than hearing how well it has worked for you) that would make me think that this is a good idea in a vacuum. Cals/Stretching- We went to dynamic warmups 8 seasons ago that are mostly low intensity football movements like 100% group stance and starts on cadence and angle form/fit tackling. Pre pubescent kids have little muscle mass and most are very flexible. Agilities we found were a waste of time, we added more real football movements in like fit bag tackles etc that accomplished some of the same but with real football movements Conditioning is done within the context of practice, fast pace everybody moving, small groups or 100% group drills, Kids SAVE UP for conditioning then dont do it very well. We want them going 100% all of practice, not saving up for gassers. We will hide some conditioning in some team games we use to eval players and do team building like deer hunter or dummy carry relay races. Static evals are inconsistent, they often dont tell us what a player can really do. Im not a big fan of 40s and linear speed measurement, youth ball is a 5-10 yard game. We measure for quickness, core strength, acceleration, change of direction etc within the context of very fun team type games. We can also test in the same manner for strength, natural leverage, toughness and determination in same fun team game format. Much more fun and much more accurate than pro agility runs and 40s, I know who my position players are at the end of my first practice with 95%+ accuracy. Kids get hitting fatigue when they scimmage all the time ,Plus we can get in 4-10X the number of reps in when we 2 step and freeze or fit and freeze our plays rather than scrimmage, much easier to troubleshoot a fit and freeze rep or bird dog rep than a full speed scrimmage rep. Group reps, lot less standing around kids stay engaged.lots more reps. Youth football should be fun we have amazing attendance and retention numbers, the kids are more focused and alert when they are having fun. They are kids, fun is why they signed up. You just have to plan ahead and be creative.
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