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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2008 7:06:48 GMT -6
I understand that there has to be a certain amount of regulation on these message boards, but some administrators take it way too seriously IMO. There is another forum I'm a member of that is now requiring that you use your full name in your posts, don't type in an abbreviated manner and state what school your affiliated with, and what type of coach you are etc. That's a little much for me, and I'm glad that this site has not gone that way. We are all adults here and all professionals here IMO and need to act that way. I don't need somebody judging my grammar on a message board as to whether I'm a professional or not. To me a forum is an exchange of ideas, not a fraternity that has membership requirements etc. I go to forums to gain knowledge that can't be taught in books or on DVD's, not to show my professinalism?! I don't know, I may be soapboxing here, but I feel that in today's society we are already too regulated. I don't want to sit down at my computer to discuss football and have to wade through a bunch of b.s. rules to obtain and disperse information. I thank Coach Huey for not over-regulating this site, and allowing us to express opinions, and ideas in the manner we do. When I read posts to obtain knowledge I really don't mind grammar errors, or if a coach uses a user name that is not his legal name, or doesn't tell me where he coaches at. I really don't care! I want to discuss football w/whoever will listen! I also don't think it's a measure of one's professionalism either, to me you either act professional or you don't. Keep your judgement to yourself, I don't think these forums are places that we should judge each other. I may be in the wrong here, but it just irritated me when the other forum's administrator emailed me with all these requirements, for a voluntary public forum. If I paid for it and those regulations were in place then so be it, but for it to be voluntary and public, IMO, the stance of the admin. is almost dictator-like, and it has turned me off of that message board. I'm not going to mention what board it is, so please don't ask, I don't think that would be very professional. If I am in the wrong, I would like to be enlightned without a doubt, maybe I'm looking at it wrong. I do know that my opinion is not the way things are, and opinions can change. I just know that a good majority of the forums I visit (which is a lot) have the same rules Coach Huey has and I have benefited greatly from reading and posting. Coach Huey, keep up the good work, this is an excellent forum that is full of great people expressing, sharing, and learning ideas from one another, and I would hate to see that change.  Duece |
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Post by coachcalande on Jan 10, 2008 7:27:22 GMT -6
What forum requires that? send me a PM.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2008 7:43:17 GMT -6
Ah hah! It didn't take long for someone to pick up on my sarcasm, good job dcohio! Let me ask you this, b/c of those errors do you think I lacked professionalism?  Would you be willing to express and discuss ideas w/me ever again? If you do make mistakes in your posts, I don't catch them, b/c I'm the guy that looks at the finished piece of artwork, not the paintbrush that was used! That is the point I was trying to make, and believe me I know I make my share of grammatical errors, but it never seems to offend anybody on this forum...do I??? ;D Duece |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2008 9:35:16 GMT -6
SWEET! I saw that Cambridge thing in an email once, buf for you to type it, now that's awesome! P.S. You mean Madden 08' in coach mode, doesn't make you an expert??? Aw man, all that money down the drain!!!  Duece |
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Post by brophy on Jan 10, 2008 10:19:12 GMT -6
To each his own. Grammatical errors drive me crazy.
Being that 90% of the members on here are educators, it is (for me at least) a little annoying to see words and phrases routinely misused. I assume people will judge you (us) whether we 'appease' them or not.
Judging grammar is no different than drawing conclusions to a person's educational background when they use a very limited vocabulary. My opinion is that if you cared enough to write your thoughts, the writer could at least ensure they are capable of constructing complete sentences with proper punctuation, and professional enough to extend the courtesy to their colleagues.
Spelling mistakes from typing too fast? That happens, thats what the 'modify' button is for.
Spelling mistakes from just plain ignorance? That just isn't acceptable.
my rant is over.
In regards to the credentials, I can only guess what site that is. However, I believe that is why THIS board was created. Let the ideas and beliefs stand for what they are and not by supposed records or prestige (which occur under a variety of reasons).
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Post by raider7342 on Jan 10, 2008 11:31:56 GMT -6
brophy
You forgot to capitalize "My" in one of your last sentences.
Also, why wouldn't you capitalize the first letter in your screen name, as it is a proper name. Unless screen names are not considered proper names.
I think maybe quite a few people might just not be great typist (like myself) and this skipping correct grammar makes typing much easier.
As for the rules on boards, for me it's like most things in the world, if you don't agree, just don't use it.
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Post by saintrad on Jan 10, 2008 11:49:02 GMT -6
I would have to agree with brophy on the grammatical issues. I teach English and unfortunately people make assumptions that means that I can also type well, which is far from the truth. Modify buttons are a god-send and when I catch something I try to fix it.
i guess each board is own entity and being that the phrase "public forum" was stated that also means that you aren't required to be a part of that site either. I guess too many people like to hide behind their screen names and use that bit of veiled secrecy to hide from the responsibility of their responses. They seem to feel that they can say whatever they wish without repercussions for their remarks. Being that most boards tend to go overboard with the "smack board" talk and off-topic issues, and have some members that seem to feel more important than they are (thus dictating the parameters for how a discussion will go or should go) do affect how a board is perceived. Does that make a board more or less professional? I don't rightly know, but to go to a different board and blast a person's policy is less than professional, especially if you haven't taken the time to discuss your concerns with them. Would you allow your players to treat others that way? I seriously doubt it.
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Post by spreadbone on Jan 10, 2008 11:55:44 GMT -6
im sure if u looked at a piece of fine art work close enough you could see the fibers out of place on the canvas, but the man that can step back and see the entire work of art is one who truly knows how to appreciate the value of the message at hand.
that being said i have little time to type on here so i go as fast as i can and hope some of ur noses arent so close to the canvas that u cant c the message im delivering. i think its being ticky-tack and childish in my opinion to suggest that someone typing on a pc 1000 miles away or further isnt educated. u know nothing of this person except characters displayed on a screen, not hardly worth showing the measure of the man in my opinion. i dont know some of us need to grow up and thicken our skin and worry about what really matters, and i dont beleive grammar is high up on most of our priorities.
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Post by brophy on Jan 10, 2008 12:31:08 GMT -6
im sure if u looked at a piece of fine art work close enough you could see the fibers out of place on the canvas, . AFAICT txtn iz rly dfclt nd lzy way to cmnct i say meh on t MB - NTTAWWT but how long does it really take to understand texting shorthand? Am I reading an Online Coaching Periodical or playing World of Warcraft?
Would you read a magazine with {censored} grammar and bad English? I'm not suggesting this is 'right' or 'wrong', I just mention it as a common courtesy. Reading a thread with no punctuation and horrible spelling lacks professionalism. Not judging it, but that is a fact.
If a writer doesn't know the difference between "their" and "they're", or that 'ridiculous' is not spelled "rediculous", then I would rightly assume that person is semi-retarded
and again, I am just stating MY opinion. If folks don't care about spelling - cool. If you mispell a dozen words in a post, I don't see how that would discount your opinion / statement - it just would show that proper English isn't important to you. This is tantamount to showing up to an interview in shorts or spelling errors on your resume. Again, that is just how I was raised / my opinion (take it for what its worth - it is just a different perspective - not a 'self-righteous' vindication). |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2008 12:41:40 GMT -6
You got me on that one, I was thinking you had typed all that! Still whoever did has some talent b/c that'd twist me up one side and down the other.
bone, great point man, I like your point of view on things and I do think some people can be as you put it "thin-skinned" at times. Never heard the artwork analogy though, I like that!
saint, can you tell me what board I'm speaking of? No, I could be doing it hypothetically. I don't think it's unprofessional at all to bring up concerns and share them on whatever message board you feel free to. I would allow my players to express their concerns, and that is exactly what I'm doing. I never mentioned a name, URL, posted a link, or anything for that matter. I could be talking about a golf coaches message board for all you know, but maybe I made it up to see what people's responses were if it happened to them. That's the beauty of message boards, getting information, which is what I try to do in every post I'm a part of. I think we can ALL learn something from each other, regardless of how well we spell, or how fast we type, that IMO is what forums are for.
Duece
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Post by coachorr on Jan 10, 2008 12:48:05 GMT -6
The two things that bother me on Forum sites 1. People who either have to brag about themsevles or act "tough" in order to feel legitmate. 2. When people just spout out what they have to say and take no time to read what others have said about the topic.
I must say, for the most part, everyone is very good about both on here.
I don't mind sharing any of my contact info on a public forum. And, I like things to be grammatically correct, however, it really isn' t that big of a deal to me if it is not.
Saintrad, great post.
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Post by tog on Jan 10, 2008 13:31:41 GMT -6
you guys don't like
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Post by brophy on Jan 10, 2008 13:39:41 GMT -6
who doesn't enjoy Haiku Coaching Clinics? How do you expect people to understand you when you refuse to communicate effectively? That's the whole point and purpose of grammar - to help the meaning of your sentences come through so you don't have to waste time explaining what you really meant! It's absolutely ridiculous to me that millions of years of evolution and thousands of years of human language development have led us to the point where some of us feel we can discard such niceties as grammar, syntax, and spelling because we can't be bothered with it! I think a lot of kids are being taught that the most important thing about writing is self-expression. It doesn't matter if the result is legible, cohesive, grammatical, spelled correctly, etc., as long as the kid is able to put his "feelings" down on paper. It's all about intent and process nowadays, rather than results. Of course, when no one understands the results, intent and process are meaningless. AAARRRRGH! FECK YOU!just not as effective when spelled incorrectlyIn summary, bad grammar is the halitosis of the Internet. If your writing looks professional, so do youwww.getitwriteonline.com/ |
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Post by tog on Jan 10, 2008 13:43:51 GMT -6
In regards to the credentials, I can only guess what site that is. However, I believe that is why THIS board was created. Let the ideas and beliefs stand for what they are and not by supposed records or prestige (which occur under a variety of reasons). exactly |
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Post by spos21ram on Jan 11, 2008 11:28:24 GMT -6
There's a time and place for correct grammar and spelling, but a football coaching forum is not the place where it should be highlighted or critiqued. As a Social Studies teacher I grade heavily on content and knowledge of the topic. Sometimes I don't even take off for spelling ro grammar at all depending on what kind of assignment it is. I'll take of for poor grammar in papers but it's minimal what I subtract from their grade.
The objective of this board is to trade football knowledge. As long as everyone can understand what people put on here who cares if it's spelt wrong.
Also, when we post it is not a professional document. Most of us type very quickly and don't even spell/grammar check what we post.
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Post by cmow5 on Jan 11, 2008 11:33:31 GMT -6
All I want people to do is before you submit a post go back and read it. If it does not make sense to you then it wont make sense to every one else. Did that make sense?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2008 13:31:32 GMT -6
Nope, from now on out, every post on here MUST be perfect or you are an idiot!  (At least according to some). Representing perfection, Duece |
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Post by CVBears on Jan 11, 2008 14:17:20 GMT -6
But there has to be a line somewhere. Does person A now know nothing because they accidentally put that they were form New York rather than from New York? I think most of us would think, "big deal," and dismiss it as a quick typo that any one could make. However, if person A starts talking about how tuff his middle linebacker is for the upcoming season, I doubt that he meant that his middle linebacker is a light, porous rock formed by consolidation of volcanic ash.
Same thing for the rules, moderation is the key. Anarchy would accomplish little but an ironclad dictatorship with censors indoctrinating the members wouldn't be that awesome either.
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Post by tog on Jan 12, 2008 0:08:46 GMT -6
Same thing for the rules, moderation is the key. Anarchy would accomplish little but an ironclad dictatorship with censors indoctrinating the members wouldn't be that awesome either. this is what we as moderators are trying to do |
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Would you be willing to express and discuss ideas w/me ever again? If you do make mistakes in your posts, I don't catch them, b/c I'm the guy that looks at the finished piece of artwork, not the paintbrush that was used! That is the point I was trying to make, and believe me I know I make my share of grammatical errors, but it never seems to offend anybody on this forum...do I??? ;D
(At least according to some).