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Post by jml on Apr 14, 2019 0:36:32 GMT -6
There is a chance some of the smaller schools in our area might have play 9 man. It would help some school keep a team and some field a team, but hurt some of the better school with more than enough kids. I'm in an area where we fly to some of our away games so the travel rosters would go from 22 to 18. I'm trying to get in front of this in case it happens.
As near as I can tell the only rule differences are
1) Anyone can wear any numbers
2) Still have 5 on the LOS or with the rule change Max of 4 off of the LOS on offense
Does anyone have any video or playbooks they would be willing to share?
I know there is a 6 & 8 man section on the board, but 9 man doesn't seem to get any mention here.
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Post by coachbrek on Apr 14, 2019 7:44:17 GMT -6
As far a I know there are only 3 states that have 9-man football North Dakota, South Dakota, and Minnesota.
I played 9-man in high school and coached it for three years. I know there are some good 9-man coaches on this site
The easy thing about 9-man is offense you can pick up any 11-man playbook and run it n 9-man you just don’t have offensive tackles. And must have 5 on the los. Which is why they adopted 9-man, teams who were on the enrollment bubble between 9 and 11 man every few years would not have to change everything offensively.
The most difficult thing about coaching 9-man is defense. You would be hard pressed to find any material on a 9-man defensive scheme.
The two players you are missing could be a combination of any two positions. Nine man also follows trends on offense, lots of spread stuff lots of playing in space. Teams with an athletic quarterback put up lots of big numbers.
Lots of 3-4 concepts apply in 9- man but you are for sure missing a safety you have to be creative with outside linebackers and just like any defense you have to get lined up properly.
If I were to ever coach 9-man again I would look at some 3-3 stack principles.
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Post by CoachJohnsonMN on Apr 14, 2019 11:21:44 GMT -6
I coach 9-man in Minnesota.
Offensive schemes in 11-man largely apply to 9-man. We run a power-based scheme with many wing-T principles mixed in.
I coordinate our defense. In Minnesota, we play on a narrow field (40 yards wide) & this helps to close the gap between having two less pass defenders. We base out of a 3-4 Cover 2 with 2-read pattern match principles. We have had to adapt some of the reads & footwork to create an OLB/CB position similar to a Cloud CB. We are going to incorporate more 3-3 into our defense & rely on our FS to use Robber principles.
I will gladly share anything with you. Where are you located?
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 14, 2019 11:45:09 GMT -6
I coached a couple seasons of 9-man. I agree with what’s above. Offenses mostly convert but defense is kind of a mess, you’re better off working from first principles than trying to adapt something. I don’t think I have any materials left but I can explain our schemes if you want.
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Post by jml on Apr 15, 2019 6:32:03 GMT -6
I was leaning toward going 3-3 on defense from a 4-4.
Biggest concern I have is the kicking game.
They are not going to reduce the field size here.
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Post by matello on Apr 15, 2019 7:20:47 GMT -6
9 man football is pretty common in Europe and it's how we've played U19 game in the UK for the last few years (based in clubs rather than schools). We've found that pass pro can be tough with a true drop back passer as edge rusher is coming in hard from that much closer. That said, that is one of the few defensive advantages. We play on a full side field too and all your defensive players need to be good open field tacklers. Coverages tend to be C3, C1 and C0. Don't see a great deal of C2/4. When it comes to the kicking game, I would say that the main difference is you see teams using the pooch kick to minimise the chance of returns as there is a whole lot of open space to cover with two fewer players.
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Post by coachbrek on Apr 15, 2019 18:25:12 GMT -6
I was leaning toward going 3-3 on defense from a 4-4. Biggest concern I have is the kicking game. They are not going to reduce the field size here. Special teams in 9 man are identical to 11 man. North Dakota plays on a regulation size field not an issue on special teams keep your spacing and containment as you normally would |
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Post by jml on Apr 16, 2019 6:28:38 GMT -6
9 man football is pretty common in Europe and it's how we've played U19 game in the UK for the last few years (based in clubs rather than schools). We've found that pass pro can be tough with a true drop back passer as edge rusher is coming in hard from that much closer. That said, that is one of the few defensive advantages. We play on a full side field too and all your defensive players need to be good open field tacklers. Coverages tend to be C3, C1 and C0. Don't see a great deal of C2/4. When it comes to the kicking game, I would say that the main difference is you see teams using the pooch kick to minimise the chance of returns as there is a whole lot of open space to cover with two fewer players. Does anyone kick PAT or FG or do they just always go for 2? I've only seem people go for 2 in the little that I have watched. I've tried to find some film and I think I found 2 games on youtube. I'd like to watch a lot more just to get a better feel for the game. Pooch kick on KO also? |
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Post by coachcb on Apr 16, 2019 8:57:48 GMT -6
9 man football is pretty common in Europe and it's how we've played U19 game in the UK for the last few years (based in clubs rather than schools). We've found that pass pro can be tough with a true drop back passer as edge rusher is coming in hard from that much closer. That said, that is one of the few defensive advantages. We play on a full side field too and all your defensive players need to be good open field tacklers. Coverages tend to be C3, C1 and C0. Don't see a great deal of C2/4. When it comes to the kicking game, I would say that the main difference is you see teams using the pooch kick to minimise the chance of returns as there is a whole lot of open space to cover with two fewer players. Does anyone kick PAT or FG or do they just always go for 2? I've only seem people go for 2 in the little that I have watched. I've tried to find some film and I think I found 2 games on youtube. I'd like to watch a lot more just to get a better feel for the game. Pooch kick on KO also? You'll find many 8 and 9 man teams that don't kick field goals or PATs at all. Converting on 4th and short is much easier in 8-9 man than 11-man given the amount of green grass you have to work with. The same goes for two point plays: picking up those couple of yards isn't difficult in a well run offense. We scrapped our kicking game completely and had high conversion rates on 4th and short in the red zone and on two point plays. A pooch kick on KO can be dangerous in 8 and 9 man as you have to remember there's a ton of grass for people to run to. Those players in the second row may not be burners but they will scoop up the ball and gain big yards because your kick off team doesn't have time to set up. We preferred to boot it deep and allow the kick-off team to get down there and make a play. We spent a lot of time special teams as it's easy to give up or make big plays. |
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Post by kcbazooka on Apr 16, 2019 12:23:34 GMT -6
We’ve had to play 9-man football on JV either because of lack of numbers on our’s or opponents team. We liked 9 man better than 8 man because of what has already been said. We could pretty much play our offense just with two less linemen. Sometimes we played on skinnier fields - some time not. On a regulation a fast kid can dominate!
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Post by Enrico B. on Apr 17, 2019 3:52:33 GMT -6
Does anyone kick PAT or FG or do they just always go for 2? I've only seem people go for 2 in the little that I have watched. I've tried to find some film and I think I found 2 games on youtube. I'd like to watch a lot more just to get a better feel for the game. Pooch kick on KO also? You'll find many 8 and 9 man teams that don't kick field goals or PATs at all. Converting on 4th and short is much easier in 8-9 man than 11-man given the amount of green grass you have to work with. The same goes for two point plays: picking up those couple of yards isn't difficult in a well run offense. We scrapped our kicking game completely and had high conversion rates on 4th and short in the red zone and on two point plays. A pooch kick on KO can be dangerous in 8 and 9 man as you have to remember there's a ton of grass for people to run to. Those players in the second row may not be burners but they will scoop up the ball and gain big yards because your kick off team doesn't have time to set up. We preferred to boot it deep and allow the kick-off team to get down there and make a play. We spent a lot of time special teams as it's easy to give up or make big plays. Coach, what were your best plays for those situations? What were you trying to exploit? |
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Post by coachcb on Apr 17, 2019 8:03:58 GMT -6
You'll find many 8 and 9 man teams that don't kick field goals or PATs at all. Converting on 4th and short is much easier in 8-9 man than 11-man given the amount of green grass you have to work with. The same goes for two point plays: picking up those couple of yards isn't difficult in a well run offense. We scrapped our kicking game completely and had high conversion rates on 4th and short in the red zone and on two point plays. A pooch kick on KO can be dangerous in 8 and 9 man as you have to remember there's a ton of grass for people to run to. Those players in the second row may not be burners but they will scoop up the ball and gain big yards because your kick off team doesn't have time to set up. We preferred to boot it deep and allow the kick-off team to get down there and make a play. We spent a lot of time special teams as it's easy to give up or make big plays. Coach, what were your best plays for those situations? What were you trying to exploit? Honestly, we just ran our base offense (hybrid Wing-T). People forget that the edges are shorter in 8 and 9 man (even with the shorter field) and you can still attack the perimeter, even on the goal line. You're not stuck running between the tackles/ends on the goal line: we converted many 2-point plays running toss or Waggle Keep. |
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Post by jml on Apr 18, 2019 5:35:45 GMT -6
Coach, what were your best plays for those situations? What were you trying to exploit? Honestly, we just ran our base offense (hybrid Wing-T). People forget that the edges are shorter in 8 and 9 man (even with the shorter field) and you can still attack the perimeter, even on the goal line. You're not stuck running between the tackles/ends on the goal line: we converted many 2-point plays running toss or Waggle Keep. Any thoughts on Jet sweeps or unbalanced line? |
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Post by coachcb on Apr 18, 2019 7:48:53 GMT -6
Honestly, we just ran our base offense (hybrid Wing-T). People forget that the edges are shorter in 8 and 9 man (even with the shorter field) and you can still attack the perimeter, even on the goal line. You're not stuck running between the tackles/ends on the goal line: we converted many 2-point plays running toss or Waggle Keep. Any thoughts on Jet sweeps or unbalanced line? ..........G.....C...G....E...E .................Q................H .................F This formation with the Jet, Rocket, Buck and FB Toss series were staples for us all over the field. Jet and Rocket sweeps run to the nub side were nasty. |
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Post by CoachJohnsonMN on Apr 18, 2019 7:58:53 GMT -6
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We had quite a bit of success running a midline option - bubble screen combo off of this formation. We'd run it as a check-with-me type of system or would just call it depending on the alignment of the OLB.
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Post by jml on Apr 19, 2019 3:32:17 GMT -6
..C.............FS.............C ........L........L.........L ............E....N.....E E............G...C...G............E .......S.........Q..........S .................F We had quite a bit of success running a midline option - bubble screen combo off of this formation. We'd run it as a check-with-me type of system or would just call it depending on the alignment of the OLB. Those short edges scare me, but if you are throwing screens and running option, it shouldn't be a problem. |
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Post by vanden48 on Apr 20, 2019 9:10:37 GMT -6
I coached 9-man for two years. Biggest difference in the teams is your assistant coaches. No different than any other level. I found that in 9-man there was not a large commitment to off-season development. Things like passing leagues, weight-training, speed training, lineman camps. There was a huge drop off from the top level teams and those that had lopsided scores on a weekly basis.
We ran a 9-man version of Noel Mazzone's offense. The QB Power Read play was huge for us. The RPO's off of that were big plays. And we made a living off of the Snag passing game. We had two good running QBs and ran QB draw out of empty sets for a ton of success. I found that motions in 9-man created big problems for defenses. Very fast tempo, that killed teams because they got very tired.
On defense we ran a very simple 3-1-5, which followed a 4-2-5 split field coverage concept. I the 1st priority has to be finding a way to defend the edges and perimeter runs because of all of the space. But if you are playing teams that bring in two TEs and basically run a triple option, that could change things too. We would also create a 4-1-4 with one of the overhang safeties walked down on the LOS. We ran a cover 2 shell.
I didn't punt and it was very successful, and we always went for 2.
I'm not there anymore so I don't have access to any of the HUDL.
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Post by coachfields20 on Nov 10, 2021 1:15:00 GMT -6
There is a chance some of the smaller schools in our area might have play 9 man. It would help some school keep a team and some field a team, but hurt some of the better school with more than enough kids. I'm in an area where we fly to some of our away games so the travel rosters would go from 22 to 18. I'm trying to get in front of this in case it happens. As near as I can tell the only rule differences are 1) Anyone can wear any numbers 2) Still have 5 on the LOS or with the rule change Max of 4 off of the LOS on offense Does anyone have any video or playbooks they would be willing to share? I know there is a 6 & 8 man section on the board, but 9 man doesn't seem to get any mention here.
Hey Coach I am writing to ask if you have been able to find any playbooks for 9v9 after creating this post? I am an American coaching and playing in Europe. We play 9v9 where I am and I would like to learn more about this version if possible, thanks.
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Post by jml on Nov 10, 2021 7:20:40 GMT -6
Hi Coach, I saw your other post and I thought most people answer things well. I never got any playbooks but I do remember finding Minnesota and I think South Dakota's state championship games in 9man. We basically ran our offense minus the guards... on defense we started off with a 3-3, but switched to a 2-4 with the 2 DL on the inside shoulder of the guards. Our outside backers would walk up on the line versus a TE or a wing. We only played it a year, but could go back to it any year depending on our number and the numbers of our opponents. Feel free to ask anything.
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Post by CanyonCoach on Nov 10, 2021 11:46:10 GMT -6
ND 9 man championship is this Friday. One team is spread based the other is a traditional run based scheme. Defensively both will morph based on formation from a 4-3 to 2-5.
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Post by coachfields20 on Nov 10, 2021 14:38:04 GMT -6
Thank you coaches for the responses. I have a subscription to NFHS Network so I'll start watching more 9 man games. I made a group on facebook for 9 man football coaches. If you or anyone you know who might be interested in joining that group here is the link: www.facebook.com/groups/459783905570113 |
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Post by jalago on Jun 14, 2024 19:29:08 GMT -6
I have been hired as a 9 man football defense coach in Georgia. I would like ideas on fronts and coverages.
Thank you
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Post by coachvega on Jul 7, 2024 7:07:06 GMT -6
I have been hired as a 9 man football defense coach in Georgia. I would like ideas on fronts and coverages. Thank you 9 man OC here in the Midwest. I usually see 3 or 4 fronts. not much you can do in 9 man without giving up alot of grass. Alot of 3-3-3 cover 3 or variations of that. 1 man or cover 3 is the most i see. Running cover 2 leaves you very light in the box, it's a damned if you do damned if you dont kinda thing |
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