jet
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Post by jet on Jun 3, 2007 12:36:39 GMT -6
Got a kid that is playing summer baseball at the expense of football. How do they break those 11.5 scholarships up among the 25 man rosters for the teams. Do they give each player 1/2 a scholarship. I need some info on this when we sit down with the mother. Are there 11.5 scholarships for D-1, D-2 and NAIA or is it different by division? Any help here would be great.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2007 12:45:53 GMT -6
I don't know anything about the scholarship breakdown, coach, but does he have a legitimate chance at a baseball scholarship or do his parents THINK he has a chance?
How hectic is the baseball schedule? Here in IL (at least my part of the state) summer baseball would only cause conflict for some weekend 7 on 7s but not much during the week.
Does he lift for baseball? Weight training is now a major part of conditioning for all sports, so it really is short sighted on his part if he isn't getting his lifting in.
In my opinion, the most important question is the first one--if he does have a legitimate shot at a baseball scholarship but not a football one, no matter how it breaks down, you owe it to him to excuse him from some things. Not all, but some.
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Post by 1whoknows on Jun 3, 2007 13:04:08 GMT -6
Do workouts in the mornings. That will take care of the baseball player, AAu and summer track.
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Post by fbdoc on Jun 3, 2007 14:33:27 GMT -6
We're in Florida - the home of year round baseball. We try to get all of our dates published early to kids and parents. Our baseball coach is not the best guy to work with - has blinders on regarding multi-sport kids - but we let our 2 sport kids know how important our 7 on 7, lifting, and other activities are and for the most part they buy in. Just keep promoting your sport and let the kids see YOU are willing to work with them.
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Post by tothehouse on Jun 3, 2007 14:36:38 GMT -6
5:45am workouts...takes care of summer school, jobs, baseball, basketball, etc.
Players chose this time!!!!!!!!
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 3, 2007 14:42:17 GMT -6
Just so you have all your facts straight, it is currently 11.7 equivalencies for Div 1 and 9.0 for Div 2.
It is my understanding (and it makes sensed based on the 11.7 number) that these may be distributed in any manner, so each school/athletic program will probably have their own method. Most likely, the student-athlete will fill out a FAFSA form, get whatever government aid/scholarships they can, get as much academic/leadership awards as possible (which the athletic program has NO influence on...wink wink, nudge nudge, snicker snicker..get the point?), as much work study as possible (often things like maintaining the baseball field) and then the athletic program will make up the rest as they see fit. Also, some loans might be included in this...which gives the appearance of a "free ride" because there is no cash expense right now.
Some student athletes might indeed end up not paying any cash out of pocket, and some may have to pay a large amount of their own way.
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Post by touchdowng on Jun 3, 2007 16:04:45 GMT -6
I'm working with the same situation and I think you have to accept it and be creative to work with it. Our area is big on baseball and our boys do well at it - they played in the state championship last week. Lost but got to play in a major league ballpark which is a pretty big deal when you are 17.
You have to be careful when you meet with parents that you are only providing information but are being transparent about it. Be careful to not knock whatever dream the kid or the mom and dad have going. There's a family culture with baseball for some and you might turn them off to football completely.
When I talk with parents I try to do it wholistically and not get into one sport vs. another sport - I love all sports and I want that to come out when we talk. One of the best players I have ever coached spent his entire summer swinging a bat. From June 10th to August 20th, I think I saw him three times. He ended up leading our FB team to the state semi's and was an all-state WR.
Getting back to the baseball thing. I have our H.S.'s shortstop in my weights class. From the figures he shared with me his parents have paid out somewhere between 25K and 30K since the 7th grade chasing the baseball dream. Where is he going? To a little community college about 5 miles away. He said that he knows that his parents would do it again because it's what they love as a family.
We do have three boys getting a partial D1 ride and that's all the parents hear. They hear "scholarship" and they will bend over backwards to do whatever it takes to say that sonny got a scholarshp to go play baseball at the university of whatever.
It is frustrating as heck but you have to work with them and put some creativity in your off-season scheduling to show good faith. If your baseball coach is tough to work with, you need to meet with him and ask lots of questions. If he's an A$$, then you should talk with your admin to gain their perspective and support. The baseball coach may not even realize that he's denying kids opportunities in other areas. Have him share his data with you as far as how many of his players over the past 5-10 years earned scholarships.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 5, 2007 18:39:10 GMT -6
I agree with touchdowng---I think it is very difficult to get across the "scholarship" issue. The parents just want to be able brag. Nobody cares if the scholarship is only $200, it is a Scholarship.
Also, he is right on about treading carefully. You don't want to look like a selfish coach or a naysayer.
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