chewy
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Post by chewy on Apr 27, 2007 7:50:19 GMT -6
Just wondering what states other than oklahoma and alabama make it illegal to cut block?
I know when I was playing HS ball in Texas that I got cut frequently. I have the scars on my skins to prove it. Considering its legal at every other level, why are these states using that rule?
IMO: Be an athlete and use your hands or jump.
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Post by Mav on Apr 27, 2007 7:55:38 GMT -6
I believe the only 2 states that allow cut blocking outside the free blocking zone are Texas and Mass because they use NCAA/college rules. All other states use Federation/NFHS rules. Just wondering what states other than oklahoma and alabama make it illegal to cut block? I know when I was playing HS ball in Texas that I got cut frequently. I have the scars on my skins to prove it. Considering its legal at every other level, why are these states using that rule? IMO: Be an athlete and use your hands or jump.
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Post by realdawg on Apr 27, 2007 8:02:26 GMT -6
In NC you can cut any defender on the line at the snap as long as the offensive player is also on the line at the snap, but no backs can cut, and you cant cut anyone off of the line of scrimmage at the snap.
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Post by dafutbolkoach on Apr 27, 2007 18:42:20 GMT -6
Cut blocking should be outlawed completely from the sport. Any blocking below the waist should be outlawed, whether in the zone or downfield. And lastly, tackling below the waist should also be outlawed unless the tackler is within the front view of the ball carrier (no more cheap shots for the DBs). Thats my story and I'm stickin to it
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Post by briangilbert on Apr 27, 2007 18:54:14 GMT -6
dafutbol - I get your point about cut blocking... I played in college and HS in the state of Ohio (college at a Mac school) and I personally think that cut blocking would be better for the HS level.
It's football, and I don't think there would be a lot of injuries, I can't think of many at the college level that were caused because of cut blocking.
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Post by bhb on Apr 27, 2007 19:05:37 GMT -6
why should cut blocking and tackling below the waist be outlawed? I suppose I can see how cutting someone full speed in the open field can be potentially dangerous, but in the free blocking zone I have no problem with a properly executed cut block..
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Post by bigcroz on Apr 27, 2007 19:11:23 GMT -6
no tackling below the waist? ? No TD saving diving tackles? Also when you pass block you should only be able to use your shoulders, and since we are not hitting below the waist think of all the $$$ we can save by not having to buy hip, thigh, tail and knee pads. Heck we could just save a ton of $$$$ and appease all the soccer moms and get rid of shoulder pads and helmets as well. It surely would be cheaper to only purchase a few sets of flags! Sorry, lost track of what we were talking about!!!
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Post by Mav on Apr 27, 2007 19:19:42 GMT -6
Texas and Mass allow cut blocking and don't have a higher percentage of lower leg injuries from football than the Fed. states.
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Post by PSS on Apr 27, 2007 19:41:50 GMT -6
Honestly, until I got on this site I didn't realize that other states didn't allow cut blocking.
In the 15 years that I've been coaching, the knee injuries our players have suffered have not come from cut blocks. So that backs up Mav's statement. Most come from getting caught up in piles or just freak accidents like mis-planting the foot.
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Post by los on Apr 27, 2007 21:15:50 GMT -6
I agree with mav and pss, if you're use to it and trained to play against it, cutting is just another type of block, no problemo! We can't do it anymore except by rule in the fbz, but when it was common, no big deal to me!
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Post by coach79 on Apr 28, 2007 2:31:25 GMT -6
While we are at it let's switch all football programs to 2-hand touch. A few rules... 1. No "locking out the elbow", wouldn't want someone to hurt themselves. 2. The "football" will be replaced with a roll of Charmin, 2 ply, 4 in 1. 3. The "playing field" will be made of 12" of foam paddng, just in case.
There is nothing wrong w/ a "properly" executed block. Let the boys play!
That's my .02 for what it's worth. -Brett
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Post by coachseven on Apr 28, 2007 7:51:48 GMT -6
Oklahoma used to allow cut blocking. I wish they would go to NCAA rules like Texas.
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chewy
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Post by chewy on Apr 28, 2007 10:12:33 GMT -6
I am perfectly good with the current NCAA rules. BE AN ATHLETE and dont get cut in the first place.
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Post by phantom on Apr 28, 2007 10:22:32 GMT -6
I like the Federation rules because safety is an issue at the HS level. A legal cut block on the line is not dangerous. Tackling below the waist is unavoidable. Knock on wood, we haven't seen many serious knee injuries that weren't feak accidents and I think that Federation rules have helped in that area.
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Post by coachcb on Apr 28, 2007 12:24:09 GMT -6
In MT, cutting is allowed within the tackle box, by down players on the LOS.
I have only had 1 kid get hurt on a cut-block and it was because his knee was bent funny under a pile. Had he done what he was taught to do and use his hands to get off the block, it would have been a different story. But, he was blazing the gap without using his hands and ended up in a funny pile.
I took a lot of crap from middle school coaches for cut blocking. We ran a lot of 3 step drops, so we cut the heck out of the DL, especially the DTs. We played a lot of 4-4/6-2 teams that stacked the DTs and MLBs and brought lots of stunts with them. So, we cut the DTs with Gs and made a nice pile at the LOS. The C picked up one of LBs and the other one had to run around the pile; worked very well. We only executed legal blocks and I only taught them that way.
It's like I told the other coaches; if we can't cut block then you guys can't shoe-string tackle in the open field. If we can't cut block, then you'd better teach you're kids to tackle below the waist.
Funny thing is, when playing rugby, we see a lot more injuries result from rugby tackling. Grabbing people around the shoulders and dragging them to ground results in a lot of nasty knee, ankle, and neck injuries.
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Post by tog on Apr 28, 2007 12:52:58 GMT -6
I have considered many jobs in other states that use fed rules and I just don't think I can do it. Cutting is such a big part of what we do, and something that we feel helps narrow the talent gap.
Places where it is illegal make the top teams even better than they are and the undertalented teams even more down.
the talent gap in other words is expanded
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2007 13:05:50 GMT -6
I don't know how much I agree with that, but it would be nice to be able to cut with RBs in slide and sprintout protections. I hadn't really thought about it until this thread, but it does seem I say, "Boy, I wish we could just cut him" quite a bit when scheming things!!
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Post by tog on Apr 28, 2007 13:08:52 GMT -6
ok i have a bad ass football player
you have one too
mine is on offense and does everything right
yours is on defense and does everything right
yours is bigger and more explosive
yours wins the battle
now
i have a good football player but not the best athlete
you have a bad ass football player that is also a great athlete
my guy goes to throw and your guy is stupid and doesn't do what he is coached to avoid the cut and gets swiped down
the talent gap is closed down some
now, my guy still has to get to your guy to cut him so if the talent gap is that wide then it is an issue
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2007 13:14:38 GMT -6
Those are great examples, but what caught me about your post was how hard it would be to get into Federation rules. I don't know your system per se, but if cutting is that important to you, that's a powerful statement!!!
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Post by PSS on Apr 28, 2007 13:24:42 GMT -6
Those are great examples, but what caught me about your post was how hard it would be to get into Federation rules. I don't know your system per se, but if cutting is that important to you, that's a powerful statement!!! This is part of the game that those of us in Texas that have played and are now coaching have grown up doing. As an undersized O-lineman in HS I would get up to the second and third level and throw on people. That was what I was taught in a Wing T Offense. Did the same thing in a pro style offense in college, probably more so because I was undersized. As an o-line coach I taught my lineman to to get up to the next level and cut. Now as a DC I teach my defense to play off of cut blocks. It not that big of a deal. Last chance drill for LB's and perimeter players. Hands and feet to defeat cut blocks. They do on the collegiate level all the time. It's part of the game for us in Texas. I don't consider it a big deal and I'm on the defensive side of the ball.
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Post by tog on Apr 28, 2007 13:32:04 GMT -6
i think it would be harder for someone like me to transition to those fed rules than it would be for someone else to just learn and start teaching people how to cut and not get cut
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2007 13:36:16 GMT -6
Now that I do agree with, because of how it relates to me: I already have experience teaching lineman to cut and not be cut.
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Post by coachcb on Apr 28, 2007 13:56:00 GMT -6
I would love to be under Federation rules; being able to cut on perimeter would save a whole lot of headaches somertime.
I agree with you wolverine; if RBS could cut on on full slide protection, we'd be sittin' pretty.
We also cut on the OL because it gives the DL coaches something else to worry about during the week. If we show on film that we don't cut, then you're going to teach you're DL to come full-bore on pass rush. If you see that we cut on some of our protections, then the DL has to learn to low-shed.
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