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Post by airraider on Jun 27, 2007 6:58:58 GMT -6
I wanted to weigh in on some things I have experienced this 7 on 7 season.
Our very first experience was against a team for a "practice" game. They wanted a 5 second time limit.. they ran tight press cover 1.. They also wanted to have the opportunity to go for it on 4th from anywhere. We stuck in our base cover 3 all night. Took us a little while to adjust on offense.. final outcome.. we scored 5 times they scored 7.. this was in a 2 hour period..
2nd experience we played against the school I coached at the last 7 years. They wanted to be able to run the ball at any time from anywhere. I talked them into not being able to run it inside the 10. They wanted to play 4 seconds. We lost that one 3tds to 5.
3rd experience was a tournament this past weekend. It was set up on a 4 game pool play then a tournament single elimination. We are a short passing team that likes to get the ball out quick and into the hands of our athletes. Well this format only gave you 2 lines to gain from the 40. You had to first get to the 15 and then score.. So you basically had 6 plays to get 40 yards. They had a 3.7 second time clock. We went 1-3 in pool play and won the first round game and lost in the second round.
Overall.. I loved the ability to run.. this helps you work on your real stuff.. makes the playaction work..
of course you wouldnt want to run every other play.. but being able to at any time really makes the LB's play straight..
I hated the tournament rule that you had to get to the 15 from the 25.. sure it was set up for competition, but how realistic is that? If you mess up on your first two passes.. who has a 3rd and 25 play in their book?
Heck we dont even have a receiver who can run a 25 yard route in 3.7 seconds..
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Post by ajreaper on Jun 27, 2007 8:16:46 GMT -6
I can understand doing most of what you related except running any down at any time and the strict 3.7 rule- my gawd what if you have a 7 step game? Pretty much means you cannot use it at all and even makes some 5 step stuff useless. And in your play action game and boot/waggle and sprint game you buy extra time by moving out of the pocket or showing run- teams should be able to practice what they do in the season and coaches can use common sense in determining if it would be a "coverage sack".
We ran a boot play off our Iso look this summer and got the pass off in under 5 seconds (we put our QB's on a stopwatch) and the opposing coach insisted it should be considered a coverage sack. We could care less as it was not a "competitive" passing league but rather a teaching one so he was free to call it whatever he saw fit but what does he teach his kids if they believe they executed on defense when in reality they did not?
Passing league is what it is and to many coaches concern themselves with "winning" passing league games rather then working on what they actually do in the season. We'll see teams in empty who'll never use that in season but run it in passing league, QB's who'll be delivering the ball from 1-2 feet behind what would be the LOS and are never coached up on that because it's "passing league"- oh well to each his own I guess.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Jun 27, 2007 8:51:36 GMT -6
Our set up is very different. We just go against some local schools who are in different classifications. Our format is: 10 plays with a drive from midfield (to next 10 yd. mark for first... so it could be 1st-10 or 1st-14). No conversion on 4th, restart at midfield. We do this 2x with var. 1 x w/ jv/subs.
1 set from 20 in
1 goal line set
4 PAT plays.
I like this set up because we have real situations (except for us passing on 3rd and 1), so we have to account for realistic down/distance for the most part. It is competitive, but is more about improving coverages, learning pass plays, etc.
We have 4 teams and play a round-robin schedule.
We do have a "gentleman's" 5 second rule. If the play is covered well for a while, the offensive coach yells "sack", and it is over. We've had no problems there... and if our opponent goes over a little... it just makes our DBs work harder.
We've gone against these same teams for 4 years and everyone (coaches) is pretty good about emphasizing the point- which is to get better.
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Post by coachjd on Jun 27, 2007 9:11:48 GMT -6
We host a passing scrimmage every summer. We give each team 4 games but its not set up as a tournament. Our goal is to allow coaches to coach and yet give the kids an opportunity to compete and work on the passing game. Here is how we set it up.
First half: 8 plays from the 40 and the objective is to gain a first down (score 1 pt) or score a TD (7 pts). You get 3 downs to gain the first down. If you gain the first down or score the ball comes back to the 40. The defense can score 1 pt for a 3 and out or 3pts for a interception.
second half: 10 plays and no the objective is to drive the ball, but still score 1 pt for a first down and 7 for a TD. Defense can still score 1 pt for a defensive stop or interception. The first downs are set at the 30, 15. You get 3 plays to gain a first down from the 40-30 and 4 plays to gain a first down from the 30-15 and 15-GL.
There is no running the ball. This is 7 on 7 pass skelly. We do not allow any blocking as well.
4 seconds to throw the ball or its a sack and ball goes back to the same spot.
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Post by gulfcoastoffense on Jun 28, 2007 12:25:00 GMT -6
We have played in 3 different 7 on 7 formats this summer already. First one was set up similar to what airrader was talking about. Start at the 40, 25 yd line is a first down, 10 yd line is a first down. We got 21 plays on offense and 21 on defense. If we scored on play 3, we still had 18 plays to go, etc. Had 40 seconds between plays and 4 seconds to throw the ball. Last game we played, the other coaches called us for 4 seconds twice (honor system timing?) and when they had the ball, they stayed in the huddle longer than a minute and a half 14 times! When we called it, all they said was "we're coaching em up." Yeah ok, use that 40 seconds to do that. Cheatin bastages. Finished 1-2-1 in that league.
Second one was at our place, and was spur of the moment. We set it up more like a practice. Started at the 40, 10 plays on offense, 10 on defense with our 1's; 8 and 8 with our 2's, 10 and 10 with the 1's again, etc. We didnt keep score, but the other team did and claimed they won like 38-12 or something. Ok, whatever tickles your pickle.
Last week we played in a tournmaent, pool play then single elimination. The field was set up like the first league we were in, 4 seonds to throw, 25 second play clock, 24 minute running game clock. You score on play 1, other offense takes over. I liked it set up like that, more of a game situation. We finished 5th out of 5 teams, only winning 1 game the entire time. All the other teams athletes got up there once summer school let out and the team we beat by 20 drilled us by 30 in the first round of the tournament!
This is my year as a varsity OC, and my first experience at playing 7 on 7 with varsity. I've come to the conclusion that out of all the games we played, we were the only team who actually installed some passes that we will use in the fall. Everyone else was 5 wide empty gun chuck it deep. Even though we didnt do so well wins and losses wise, we moved the ball effeciently, used the clock, and sustained drives. All of which are goals of mine for this year.
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Post by coachbdud on Jun 28, 2007 13:37:01 GMT -6
ive never heard of being able to run the ball in 7 on 7. Although it would help my team out since we are primarily run and the play action would work better. A couple years ago we had 4th and goal from the one so we said screw it and ran a QB sneak and the other team got all pissed at us. I think you need to do what you would do in a game. Passing league really doesnt matter so its much better to work on your stuff instead of saying lets just win
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Post by airraider on Jun 28, 2007 14:44:29 GMT -6
With the running.. the team we played.. which is also the one I used to coach for.. they always have a league where you can run the ball once per series..
well thats good and all.. but if you are on the 3 yardline and run the ball in.. thats bush league..
Now.. if you run a sweep or something every 4 or 5 plays just to make your playaction work.. then why not..
I have never been to a tournament that allows you to run.. this was just a 2 team "practice" 7 on 7.
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Post by easye17 on Jun 28, 2007 18:09:54 GMT -6
Our 7 on 7's are usually very simple, 10 plays and switch. Sometimes we'll do 10 minutes and switch (with no running). The reason I like this is because we spend more time running our offense against a defense that we may actually see during the season. When we do competitions or tournaments, we always end up seeing crazy defenses like an overload of 2 man. Teams always end up playing all these random defenses and we end up not getting a ton of worthwile work.
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