mcoach
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Post by mcoach on Jun 16, 2007 7:17:12 GMT -6
I am in the process of developing a HS program and I have adequate numbers and lots of enthusiasm. I want to help my players to advance to the next level in any way I can, but also want to be honest / realistic with them. I have a general feel of what differentiates, say a D1 from a D3 player, but specifically, what, in a college coaches eye, or a HS coach's experience, is the dividing line?
Raw measurables
Production
Other
Where are those lines generally drawn?
What are the general position specifics?
Thanks
MCoach
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Post by easye17 on Jun 16, 2007 11:38:39 GMT -6
As my old high school coach said, you know a D1 kid when you see it. You'll get a honeymoon hard on.
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Post by fbdoc on Jun 16, 2007 13:21:22 GMT -6
It's not rocket science, but there is a bit of science (and art) to figuring our where a kid can play. For D-I it's easy, like coachjerk said, you'll know them when you see them. There's a combination of size, speed, and ability that simply puts them WAY above the rest of your team. For the other levels, size and speed still play a part, but now it's up to the colleges to decide if the player fits into their needs and schemes. If you have a player that is interested you need to do a bit of screening - a 5'9, 164 lb fullback with 4.8 speed and a 200 lb. squat max is NOT D-I, D-II, or NAIA. He might be the 89th player on a 90 man D-III team but that will be decided by the college. Make tapes of your players and send them off to the top 5 schools that are realistic. The colleges will let you know if they can play or not,
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Post by Rogie on Jun 18, 2007 7:03:58 GMT -6
Send a tape up to me at Salve Regina.
Address
Salve Regina Football
100 Ochre Point Ave
Newport, RI 02840
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Post by saintrad on Jun 18, 2007 7:15:47 GMT -6
one of the first things most coaches will ask is how are they in the classroom and in the locker room. Ability they can see on the field, character is the one thing they cant see.
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Post by brophy on Jun 18, 2007 9:51:45 GMT -6
Raw measurables Production Other Where are those lines generally drawn? What are the general position specifics? General guideline for athletes 6'1"+ 195 - 220lbs+ 4.5-4.7 40 linemen had better be 6'3" or greater and ATHLETES general guideline is for DI, you would've known they are "Big Time" by the time they are 13. DI are physical freaks, there is no question what caliber of athlete they are. Best of the Best of the Best. Generally, if you don't START, you probably shouldn't be playing in college All-Conference 2 year, stellar grades, physically superior = DI sub division (used to be NAIA) All-Conference 2 years, great grades, undersized DI prospect = DII Starter, Great athlete,but limited physical growth, great grades = DIII Great athlete, bad grades = JUCO Decent athlete, but very limited physical growth = JUCO If you can't dominate HS, don't think you can compete in college. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 18, 2007 10:01:12 GMT -6
brophy...I dont think you mean NAIA....you mean Division 1-AA, which is now officially titled the FCS (football championship subdivision) because they have a playoff.
The division without the playoff is now called the FBS..which is the Football Bowl Subdivision. (Formally Division 1)
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Post by brophy on Jun 18, 2007 10:27:58 GMT -6
Sorry, coachd5058 is right again (it is nice to have a guy with so much knowledge and experience on here).
Looks like I provided information on how to classify your seniors to other college coaches based on playing ability.
college coaches want to know / get an idea of;
1) a players athletic ceiling (how much more can they develop in college)?
2) how is the kid's work ethic / integrity (is he worth investing in....can he be trusted)?
3) how is the kid's grades (generally goes hand-in-hand with #2....is he an academic liability)?
4) how well did the kid interact with players & coaches (was he a butt-head, was he coachable)?
5) how did the kid perform in-season against top competition (stats)?
If all of these questions are off-the-charts, he MAY be DI material
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 18, 2007 10:36:15 GMT -6
Or someone has a little knowledge, but knows how to google.
It must be noted that the lower the kids 40's time or shuttle run, or higher the kids vertical leap,or the smoother his hips flow, the less important his academic liability is.
The hardest thing for young H.S. coaches, or small H.S. coaches (coaches that don't see a bunch of kids, or play against a bunch of kids) and more importantly the parents and communities of H.S. kids to realize is: THERE IS SUCH A BEAST AS A GREAT HIGHSCHOOL FOOTBALL PLAYER, and this does not equate to collegiate success at all levels. Some kids are just that, GREAT HIGHSCHOOL, football players.
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mcoach
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Post by mcoach on Jun 18, 2007 12:26:26 GMT -6
Thanks for all the replies - like most coaches I have a bunch of tweeners who are "GREAT HIGH SCHOOL" FOOTBALL PLAYERS. Some want to go on, and I just want to be realistic with them and where our efforts to get noticed should be directed. I know the DI-A prospect will self identify with numbers and production, but differentiating between, say a D-1AA and a D-2 player (both scholarship opportunities, albeit less so as you drop down in division).
D3 players are not on scholarship, and in most instances, the likely place for many of my better players. I identify football as a way to move up the admissions list of a desired college.
Obviously I wouldnt promote uncoachable kids or kids whose heart is questionable - but we all know those HS kids who have produced at the HS level, have a huge heart, and want to play at as big a program as possible, even though their measurables are "average". Recruiting does have an "art" to it, and perhaps there is still a place in college ball for some of these kids who dont fit into the obvious template.
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Post by wingtol on Jun 19, 2007 8:48:11 GMT -6
Not sure if this is the way to do it but we send out highlight film on any kid we think might be able to play at the high coll. levels. If we hear back from schools then great if not we kind of know the kid isnt 1/1-AA material. We had two kids the last year who were studs our huge FB 6'2 240 and HB/DB he was on the small side but had great ability. Sent film out on them some MAC schools came and visited and wanted them to goto their camps. Needless to say the kids didn't go and the schools lost intrest since they were tweeners. PITT did want the HB to be a prefered walk-on but in the end they both ended up going D-II and playing in two great D-II confrences.
I guess what I am trying to say is it's not gonna hurt to send film out on kids and see what the schools think. Also if a coll wants to see them at a summer camp highly suggest that they go.
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