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Post by wildcat on Nov 4, 2007 11:29:02 GMT -6
Surprised that no one here has posted about this...
Two of the guy's sons are now convicted felons who are going to be doing hard time. A search warrant on Reid's home turns up what a judge refers to as a "drug emporeum".
Should the NFL take any action against Reid? Should Reid step aside?
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Post by tog on Nov 4, 2007 11:32:51 GMT -6
no
and no
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Post by coachveer on Nov 4, 2007 11:34:26 GMT -6
no
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Post by brophy on Nov 4, 2007 11:38:42 GMT -6
What did ANDY do?
Is Mike Vick not playing anymore because of what someone else DID?
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Post by khalfie on Nov 4, 2007 11:58:34 GMT -6
What did ANDY do?Is Mike Vick not playing anymore because of what someone else DID? What!? Andy Reid raises two felons... or fails to raise his boys... and you throw Mike Vick out? More so, shocked to hear all you coaches, who would on any occassion ramk priorities as faith, family, then football... State that he shouldn't leave his job, boo hoo on his family, and bears no responsibility. I don't know about you guys... but I have 3 children, and if my absence begins to detail their struggle... then I'm out... to tend to my family.
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Post by brophy on Nov 4, 2007 12:30:07 GMT -6
What did ANDY do?Is Mike Vick not playing anymore because of what someone else DID? What!? Andy Reid raises two felons... or fails to raise his boys... and you throw Mike Vick out? More so, shocked to hear all you coaches, who would on any occassion ramk priorities as faith, family, then football... State that he shouldn't leave his job, boo hoo on his family, and bears no responsibility. I don't know about you guys... but I have 3 children, and if my absence begins to detail their struggle... then I'm out... to tend to my family. Tony Dungy and Mike Sherman's sons committed suicide...... guess those guys should've been outsted from the NFL because they were "derelict fathers". If Andy Reid IS THE ONE committing these acts, then, sure.....suspend him or whatever...but Andy Reid, personally, hasn't done anything to break the law. Are you willing to be judged with the same measuring stick? If your son goes smashing pumpkins at a church, should you miss a game? If your daughter gets knocked up out-of-wedlock by one of your players ( Bill McCartney), should you lose your job as a teacher?
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 4, 2007 12:32:09 GMT -6
[ I don't know about you guys... but I have 3 children, and if my absence begins to detail their struggle... then I'm out... to tend to my family. By YOUR choice. NOT someone elses? The only possible rational for the NFL to step in would be because the "drug emporium" was in his home. The sons are both adults, they are not 12. This is Andy Reid's personal life, and should stay that way.
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Post by bhb on Nov 4, 2007 12:44:27 GMT -6
<"I don't know about you guys... but I have 3 children, and if my absence begins to detail their struggle... then I'm out... to tend to my family.">
Yeah, sure you would .. MOST people in the world can't afford to just up and quit their jobs when their GROWN children get themselves in a jam.. That's a silly statement.. I'm in Philly, very close to this whole thing and to suggest these aren't good people because of the mistakes of their children is out of line.. The Reids have 5 children- the other 3 are fantastic people- model citizens.. Actually the type of kids you would love to call your own- Garrett & Britt Reid went down the wrong path- to say it's because of poor parenting because some judge (who has a history of doing anything he can to get his name in the papers) makes some assinine, judgemental statements..
We live in an era where you can no longer judge the job a parent does simply by how their children turn out.. Too many distractions these days to believe that luck isn't required when raising children.. You can do everything right and STILL have your children get involved in the wrong things..
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Post by phantom on Nov 4, 2007 12:52:53 GMT -6
<"I don't know about you guys... but I have 3 children, and if my absence begins to detail their struggle... then I'm out... to tend to my family."> Yeah, sure you would .. MOST people in the world can't afford to just up and quit their jobs when their GROWN children get themselves in a jam.. That's a silly statement.. I'm in Philly, very close to this whole thing and to suggest these aren't good people because of the mistakes of their children is out of line.. The Reids have 5 children- the other 3 are fantastic people- model citizens.. Actually the type of kids you would love to call your own- Garrett & Britt Reid went down the wrong path- to say it's because of poor parenting because some judge (who has a history of doing anything he can to get his name in the papers) makes some assinine, judgemental statements.. We live in an era where you can no longer judge the job a parent does simply by how their children turn out.. Too many distractions these days to believe that luck isn't required when raising children.. You can do everything right and STILL have your children get involved in the wrong things.. Amen.
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Post by coachorr on Nov 4, 2007 13:07:42 GMT -6
I don't want to touch this with a ten foot pole. I would resign, but I don't believe the NFL should do anything at this point.
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Post by fbdoc on Nov 4, 2007 13:15:39 GMT -6
If Andy is responsible for the Drug Emporium then the NFL should take action. Otherwise, butt out of the guys personal life. Let me see if I follow your logic - If my 19 year old son gets suspended for a semester from playing D-3 ball because he chose to smoke some dope with some losers, then I'm supposed to stop coaching at my high school because I'm a bad parent. Sounds a bit extreme! Oh, by the way, that did happen and my son helped coach my JV team this year while he's attending the local community college and plans to go back next year. Hopefully this was a wake up for him!
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Post by andreas on Nov 4, 2007 13:53:28 GMT -6
he should be responsible under the NFL's new Personal Conduct Policy. Goodell told Vick this:
"People living in your house and people on your property is your responsibility."
Andy Reid should be no different. he also has younger kids who aren't too old to change that he should consider spending more time with so they don't end up the same.
non players are supposed to be held to a higher standard than players.
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Post by coachdawhip on Nov 4, 2007 14:31:30 GMT -6
I agree with andreas,
The kids had a drug warehouse in his house. They can't make him take time off, but I say he should examine what the heck is really important. My thing is he had to know the drugs were there, just like Vick knew about the dogs.
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Post by los on Nov 4, 2007 14:44:08 GMT -6
Just wondering, do the coach's and management level guys in the NFL go thru drug testing, either mandatory or random?
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Post by airman on Nov 4, 2007 14:48:36 GMT -6
how could andy have known. the nfl is a such a level that most coaches sleep at the office. I am sure he came home a few times a week for a few minutes.
now should he have been a better father. I would say yes. He learned his lesson now. besides, the kids should not get in the way of the nfl right now.
it is sad how the nfl has become such a force in the lives of these coaches. to me the nfl coach and being president are two jobs I would never want. no matter how much they paid me.
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Post by champ93 on Nov 4, 2007 15:00:41 GMT -6
My problem with all this is the phrase "drug emporium." When a legal professional uses such terminology his connotation is essentially propaganda. If the wording was "drugs were found in the home" would this be an issue?
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Post by wildcat on Nov 4, 2007 15:09:40 GMT -6
he should be responsible under the NFL's new Personal Conduct "People living in your house and people on your property is your responsibility." This is exactly what I was referring to. I think Reid should be held accountable because these things happened UNDER HIS ROOF. Now, if Reid's kids were doing these things out on their own, well, then Reid shouldn't be held accountable. But I have a hard time believing that a guy like Reid, a guy with an intense attention for detail...a guy who doesn't miss things...did not know what was going on in his house. The comparisions between what Reid's sons did and what happened to Dungy's and Sherman's and McCartney's kids is simply ridiculous. Suicide is a tragedy...premarital sex that results in out-of-wedlock births is a shame...but neither are a felony. Remember what Vick said initially...he said that he "never went there" in reference to the property where the dogfighting occurred. We found out later that he lied. Does the view of anyone here who is supporting Reid change if it comes out that Reid knew that major felonies were being committed under his roof but didn't contact the authorities?
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Post by khalfie on Nov 4, 2007 15:15:38 GMT -6
Tony Dungy and Mike Sherman's sons committed suicide...... guess those guys should've been outsted from the NFL because they were "derelict fathers". Outsted? Wildcat asked... "Should Reid step aside?" But I guess you needed "outsted" to have a point... to conjure emotion, to have any credibility to your statement. REID SHOULD STEP DOWN... AND COACH HIS FAMILY! Wow... can't believe I have to argue this! If Tony and Mike were getting the warning signs Reid was getting... has gotten... yes, they too... should have quit their MILLION DOLLAR GIGS... AND COACHED THEIR FAMILY!" If Andy Reid IS THE ONE committing these acts, then, sure.....suspend him or whatever...but Andy Reid, personally, hasn't done anything to break the law. Oh wow... the double standard... had a million reasons why Vick should have known what was going on at his house... that he didn't live in... but now andy's house is a Crack house... my bad "drug emporium"... and he has no responsibility... because he's a coach? Are you willing to be judged with the same measuring stick? If your son goes smashing pumpkins at a church, should you miss a game? If your daughter gets knocked up out-of-wedlock by one of your players ( Bill McCartney), should you lose your job as a teacher? You damn right I am... if I want to or not... Let my boys act a fool in school... everyone knows whom to hold accountable and responsible! If my kids get loose... start acting a fool... they are doing nothing more than demanding my attention... and all my extra curriculars... besides providing for their sustencance.... goes out of the window... and I coach my family first! At first I was shocked at your irrational response... daughter gets locked up... lose my job... but then I realized... you just don't have a point! YOU WON'T HAVE TO FIRE ME... I'M GOING HOME TO SEE WHAT'S WRONG! But I guess the Eagles need him more than his family... I guess he doesn't have enough millions to live off of... and needs a few dollars more! Make all the excuses you need to justify your absence from your families... BUT IN MINE... FAMILY COMES FIRST! Take it how you want!
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Post by brophy on Nov 4, 2007 15:21:06 GMT -6
Does the view of anyone here who is supporting Reid change if it comes out that Reid knew that major felonies were being committed under his roof but didn't contact the authorities? Reid took time off near the draft to attend to his family....the guy tried to get things in order. Again, Garrett & Britt Reid are legal adults. The "acts" (brandishing a firearm.....traffic accidents...) happened as adults Now, don't let the facts of the case get in the way of a good knee-jerk witch hunt, but it is what it is. No father wants to see his children end up like that, but you can't live their life for them. www.philly.com/inquirer/local/20071104_FAMILY_IN_CRISIS.htmlthis is pretty funny
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Post by khalfie on Nov 4, 2007 15:24:12 GMT -6
<"]I don't know about you guys... but I have 3 children, and if my absence begins to detail their struggle... then I'm out... to tend to my family."> Yeah, sure you would .. MOST people in the world can't afford to just up and quit their jobs when their GROWN children get themselves in a jam.. That's a silly statement.. What's silly is this guy is in a position to quit his job and tend to his family... What's silly is you are comparing an NFL football coach to the rest of the world... What's silly is you think I wouldn't stop coaching, if my family wasn't maturing correctly... if my boys were acting fool because of my lack of presence? What <"] I'm in Philly, very close to this whole thing and to suggest these aren't good people because of the mistakes of their children is out of line.. The Reids have 5 children- the other 3 are fantastic people- model citizens.. Actually the type of kids you would love to call your own- Garrett & Britt Reid went down the wrong path- to say it's because of poor parenting because some judge (who has a history of doing anything he can to get his name in the papers) makes some assinine, judgemental statements.. We live in an era where you can no longer judge the job a parent does simply by how their children turn out.. Too many distractions these days to believe that luck isn't required when raising children.. You can do everything right and STILL have your children get involved in the wrong things.. Get off your high horse... no one has judged anyone... The question was asked, should he step down! You d@mn right he should step down... the fact that we are having the discussion speaks to the misappropirated priorities... Do things go wrong... yes... as a father... do you try to fix them... Hell yes! You can't fix them locked in an office trying to game plan against the 3-4... Make the argument what you want... if you need to make a point to yourself... but the question, was... and remains... SHOULD HE! And yes... HE SHOULD!
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Post by brophy on Nov 4, 2007 15:27:06 GMT -6
so if your 24 year old son joins AA, you should quit coaching, right? Do things go wrong... yes... as a father... do you try to fix them.... but the question, was... and remains... SHOULD HE! And yes... HE SHOULD! not that I'm arguing, but what is Andy Reid going to do? He quits coaching....cool.....but what is he supposed to be doing for his 20-something year old sons now that he isn't working?Take them to the park? Go fishing? Is that all there is to fatherhood? Cool
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 4, 2007 16:09:53 GMT -6
not that I'm arguing, but what is Andy Reid going to do? He quits coaching....cool.....but what is he supposed to be doing for his 20-something year old sons now that he isn't working?Take them to the park? Go fishing? Is that all there is to fatherhood? Cool I am waiting to hear this answer too. If this was a bunch of JR high kids, thats one thing...that isnt this situation
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Post by Coach Huey on Nov 4, 2007 16:19:29 GMT -6
this is all i will "add" to this topic ... but ...
this is "judging". when you tell someone what THEY SHOULD do, you are "judging" them .. i.e. "your" advice is right and "their" decision was wrong - that's judgemental as to the choices they have made.
other than that ... you guys argue 'til you're blue in the face.
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Post by khalfie on Nov 4, 2007 16:32:10 GMT -6
so if your 24 year old son joins AA, you should quit coaching, right? Wow... here we go again! Let me be clear... you are asking me, "if my 24 year old has an alcohol problem, should I quit my job?" This is the basis of your argument? This hypothetical puts everything into perspective for you? not that I'm arguing, but what is Andy Reid going to do? First, you are arguing... and rather poorly mind you! Secondly, you do what all good coaches do, when you have a kid that's having issues... you try to help... you look to find the cause, try to gather solutions, and then you add emotional support. Your his dad for goodness sakes... do something! I'll tell you what not to do... don't go be the coach for little Johnny and Billy... cause your boy obviously needs you more... and since that he's now 24... you've obvioulsy not been there for the previous 20+ years... so maybe's the time to give him some of that attention he's been so desparately demanding... then again... if you have been such a poor father in the first place... do what you've been doing... lock yourself in your office, break down film, get your draft card together... go home at 1am... and leave at 5am... you're no good to your family anyway... just send them that paycheck... so they can keep buying the drugs! He quits coaching....cool.....but what is he supposed to be doing for his 20-something year old sons now that he isn't working?Take them to the park? Go fishing? Is that all there is to fatherhood? Cool You do what any good coach would do... you analyze, motivate, and most importantly demonstrate you care... you don't go hiding in your d@mn office for 15 hours a day! I don't know if you guys are fathers, but the one thing a father is responsible for... will always be held accountable for... is caring... and I could careless, what you did, to get your family right... but you better do something... and that something better not be, the same thing you were doing as your family fell apart. Is that all there is to fatherhood? Its not rocket science son... its called love... and maybe a trip fishing... is all his boys really wanted. Great coaches... on the boards learning the game... do the same about being a parent... do the same about drug addiction... do what you would do if you took over a losing program, and do that for your family... Hell... tell them to hit the weights and get stronger... I don't know... but DON'T CONTINUE TO IGNORE THEM... DON'T SHOW THEM THE JOB IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THEY ARE... ESPECIALLY, WHEN YOU GOT MORE THAN ENOUGH MONEY TO NEVER HAVE TO WORK AGAIN! How's that... is that a good enough answer... or are you going to create another hypothetical in which my son buys a house for his cousin, and the cousins start fighting dogs...
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Post by khalfie on Nov 4, 2007 16:33:15 GMT -6
this is all i will "add" to this topic ... but ... this is "judging". when you tell someone what THEY SHOULD do, you are "judging" them .. i.e. "your" advice is right and "their" decision was wrong - that's judgemental as to the choices they have made. other than that ... you guys argue 'til you're blue in the face. Hey... if having an opinion is judging... then I'm guilty as charged!
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Post by groundchuck on Nov 4, 2007 16:34:45 GMT -6
All I will add is that Coach Reid should (maybe he already has) do some serious soul searching. How could these things be going on without him noticing, unless he is never home. Ok, he's an NFL coach he is never home. But what about Mrs. Reid? Should she have noticed? YOu can't blame him for his kids' drug use. But he should have known what was going on in his home and stopped it there.
I know a cop who thought his son was doing and selling drugs. So he asked him once "is there anything going I need to know about. Tell me the truth so we can fix it." Kid lied and said no. Next day dad had the K-9 unit come into the house, guess what he found?
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Post by brophy on Nov 4, 2007 16:57:12 GMT -6
I think where this is getting out-of-hand is a 2+2 = 5 equation. Andy Reid's two kids are rotten. We know professional coaching is a grind. We INFER that Andy Reid has neglected his sons and THAT is the direct reason for his kids to go bad. Its easy to assume and judge others when we are far removed from the situation (and may not have all the details). We are making a seirous assumption that Andy Reid's adult children made poor decisions BECAUSE he neglected them in favor of football. I really didn't get that impression by READING the enclosed link; www.philly.com/inquirer/local/20071104_FAMILY_IN_CRISIS.html
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Post by wildcat on Nov 4, 2007 17:06:35 GMT -6
I respect Andy Reid...didn't know much about the guy until I read "Winning the NFL Way" by Bob Lamonte. Reid is a good man...doesn't cuss or drink, a devout Mormon, a guy who paid his dues, is loved by his players and certainly is not a burden on society.
It is a terrible situation...something I would not want to wish on my worst enemy...with all of that being said, it SEEMS (of course, we don't know all the information) that he, at best, ignored the situation and, at worst, was an active enabler of his sons' antisocial and criminal behavior.
Should he resign from the Eagles? I don't know what that would accomplish...the damage is done...the boys are already going to prison. Not sure what Reid could do other than get his family's name out of the limelight.
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