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Post by deaux68 on Aug 25, 2007 11:10:45 GMT -6
We haven't even got to the first game and we are beggining the start of the "offense of the week."
Meaning we put 4 or 5 new plays in a week. These aren't builders off plays either. These are whole new concepts. Meanwhile we will rip our QB up and down because he isn't (and I'm quoting here) throwing to the open guy.
This is my 3rd year with this and it absolutely killed what little confidence my QB had last year. Secondly we have three WR's in their first year of the offense. They aren't even good at what we run now.
Don't get me wrong. I like building plays of other plays, but this is becoming frustrating.
Help what do I do? What approach do I take to the head coach/offensive coordinator?
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Post by tog on Aug 25, 2007 15:03:13 GMT -6
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Post by wildcat on Aug 25, 2007 16:15:08 GMT -6
I'm not sure that I completely understand...I don't see anything wrong with adding some new "wrinkles" every week.
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Post by dubber on Aug 25, 2007 16:21:28 GMT -6
We haven't even got to the first game and we are beggining the start of the "offense of the week." Meaning we put 4 or 5 new plays in a week. These aren't builders off plays either. These are whole new concepts. Meanwhile we will rip our QB up and down because he isn't (and I'm quoting here) throwing to the open guy. This is my 3rd year with this and it absolutely killed what little confidence my QB had last year. Secondly we have three WR's in their first year of the offense. They aren't even good at what we run now. Don't get me wrong. I like building plays of other plays, but this is becoming frustrating. Help what do I do? What approach do I take to the head coach/offensive coordinator? Deaux68, I know you are a spread gun team. . . . .what all you adding? Sometimes that formation lends itself to putting too much (Meyer stuff, Mumme stuff, DeMeo Stuff). What is your position on staff, who makes the decisions on offense (OC or HC----if they are different guys), and what is your relationship with that person. We started off as a double slot offense, with some spread stuff (everything fit together)........well, we found out our slots can't block worth a crap, so we're now a spread gun team. We stopped adding plays and now just pick our top ten runs and passes and rep them during the week. Our offense is coming along, part of this is the relationship I have with our OC (I have no problem telling him my mind, even it is opposed to his). I don't know if hearing my story helps you any. Don't be afraid to be "that one guy" on the staff not high fiving the OC for saying he's putting in a spinner series and veer from shotgun this week. Tog said to leave, I say you stir some stuff up at your next meeting- - - - -let them know you think you will neer get better until you get better at the few things you do well. If they can't handle that, do your best this season, and go looking next season. |
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Post by dubber on Aug 25, 2007 16:22:53 GMT -6
I'm not sure that I completely understand...I don't see anything wrong with adding some new "wrinkles" every week. Probably should speak for Deaux68, but I've been in this situation before, and the problem isn't new wrinkles, it's that the OC is adding a whole new bedsheet. |
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Post by dubber on Aug 25, 2007 16:25:30 GMT -6
Here's a quote by phantom on another subject, I think it applies: You need to get this straightened out. You need to do this at the next staff meeting. That may involve screaming, which is OK as long as you get it together and present a united front to the kids and nobody holds a grudge. This is not a business for the thin-skinned. |
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Post by coachcoyote on Aug 25, 2007 22:54:42 GMT -6
If you aren't proficient in one offense, does the OC figure he can correct things by starting from scratch. There comes a time when someone has to step up and be the squeaky wheel. If your guy isn't open minded then you're stuck. You can only control what you do with what you have. Hang in there.
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Post by schultbear74 on Aug 26, 2007 0:04:10 GMT -6
An offense that is still trying to find out what it is that they do good, at this point, had either better be young and undergoing discovery or they are in big trouble. I feel that it will be a big challenge for the defensive side of the ball. I wish you luck and forbearance.
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Post by deaux68 on Aug 26, 2007 1:24:12 GMT -6
We are meeting tomorrow afternoon as a staff. I've already broke down next week's film. I broke down last year's game and game they played last year against another team. I think I feel like I'm pretty loaded.
I've just got to keep my cool and try to stay civil. The playcaller/OC is stubborn and he's also the head coach which spells doom for what I'm going to do tomorrow.
Wish me luck.
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Post by deaux68 on Aug 26, 2007 1:29:33 GMT -6
Dubber,
First off we normally motion and get set before we snap the ball. This bothered me for the first two years because one of the positives about motion is getting leverage on guys. Well now we are putting in a play off our slants that has a motion guy coming across and running a shoot route. That's all fine and dandy but we are going have to rep the timing and I'm going to have to coach up the WR. I don't mind doing that at all but it just seems to me that there are a lot of ways to go and a lot other play we should be repping out besides a play that is only going to be used this week. The most frustrating thing about this play is I know what he saw on film. The problem is it was just a busted coverage. They'll most likely have it ironed out when we play them. So we are going to rep a play at least 15 times this week that we will most likely run once this year.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2007 17:26:58 GMT -6
Wrinkles are great
Building off something else is great
Adding the next step is great
Stopping at the truck stop to draw up 3 new plays is not great.
Yes, I worked for a guy like this a long time ago. We drew it up at our bathroom stop. What's more he ran it in the game. We turned it over (duh) they scooped and scored and we lost the game 7-3.
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Post by coachcalande on Aug 26, 2007 17:48:54 GMT -6
We haven't even got to the first game and we are beggining the start of the "offense of the week." Meaning we put 4 or 5 new plays in a week. These aren't builders off plays either. These are whole new concepts. Meanwhile we will rip our QB up and down because he isn't (and I'm quoting here) throwing to the open guy. This is my 3rd year with this and it absolutely killed what little confidence my QB had last year. Secondly we have three WR's in their first year of the offense. They aren't even good at what we run now. Don't get me wrong. I like building plays of other plays, but this is becoming frustrating. Help what do I do? What approach do I take to the head coach/offensive coordinator? analyze film as a staff, nit pick on all of the details that arent being coached for the plays you are already running. everyone will agree that polish and shine is the solution, not new plays. we are going thru this as well. we could use a few new plays to attack certain spots in the defense ...BUT...AND THIS IS BIG... we arent running our core bread and butter at a high efficiency yet...those are the plays that give us a chance to win and even set up those other plays...know what I mean? ask for more reps at what you do, more time to coach details and 'what ifs"... |
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Post by phantom on Aug 26, 2007 19:23:35 GMT -6
We haven't even got to the first game and we are beggining the start of the "offense of the week." Meaning we put 4 or 5 new plays in a week. These aren't builders off plays either. These are whole new concepts. Meanwhile we will rip our QB up and down because he isn't (and I'm quoting here) throwing to the open guy. This is my 3rd year with this and it absolutely killed what little confidence my QB had last year. Secondly we have three WR's in their first year of the offense. They aren't even good at what we run now. Don't get me wrong. I like building plays of other plays, but this is becoming frustrating. Help what do I do? What approach do I take to the head coach/offensive coordinator? What do you believe in? Who are you? Are you a "punch them in the mouth" I team or a spread team? There's nothing wrong with either approach you have to decide who you are. |
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Post by wingman on Aug 26, 2007 21:00:34 GMT -6
I played on a horrible h.s. team and we were definately 'offense of the week'. Spread on eweek, Power I the next etc. You end up mastering nothing.
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Post by deaux68 on Aug 27, 2007 8:24:19 GMT -6
On this weeks menu:
New formation getting ready for next week when we put in some Wing-T stuff.
Sadly, I'm dead serious.
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Post by dubber on Aug 27, 2007 9:45:42 GMT -6
On this weeks menu: New formation getting ready for next week when we put in some Wing-T stuff. Sadly, I'm dead serious. Have you been a dissenting voice at meeting? Tell em' this doesn't work and here's why............... I mean, you should probably move on after this season, so might as well try to make a defference now. Spread to the Wing-T in a week? My sympathy to you and your players |
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Post by knight9299 on Aug 27, 2007 9:58:05 GMT -6
On this weeks menu: New formation getting ready for next week when we put in some Wing-T stuff. Sadly, I'm dead serious. I've been there. I'm still there. In our case we were putting wrinkles because the old HC gave us a lot stuff we could use- the OC just kept putting stuff in. We were jack all trades and master of none. |
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Post by lionhart on Aug 27, 2007 10:06:32 GMT -6
i have a similar dilemna with my HC. he know s little to nothing about offense, and left me to do it all. this is no problem, and our kids have picked up the system (spread gun) and are improving. my philosophy is keep it simple (5 base runs, 7 base passes,2 screens) and get REALLY good at those plays. to me that means that we ONLY rep those plays, over and over. every single time we meet, i get this from the hc.."coach, can we line up double tite and run dive fake and hit the tite end down the seam? i saw ohio st do it with ted ginn and i think it will work. you know, just as a curveball." it frustrates me to no end that i have to explain to him that you cant just dcraw up a play and "think" it will work. i said what if the free safety doesnt bite? what does the qb do then? his response is "well, if we sell the fake then he should bite." when i try to explain to him nicely that this is borderline Madden vidoe game mentality, he says that i am too stubborn and inflexible with my offense. ive learned to tune himn out and we get animated at times, but we are both working to one goal... so itas nothign personal. i just do what i think is best for our offense and thats all i can do. good lluck with oyur situation
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