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Post by coachjd on Feb 27, 2007 8:25:35 GMT -6
Coaches,
Does anyone have a athletic policy that is mandated by the admin that all sports will incorperate in-season strength training. It just seems like we are fighting an uphill battle with our girls athletics and a couple of our boys teams. They think the 3 months in the summer is enough or even too much.
We want to meet with our AD and show him some examples of what other schools have put into place to promote strength training within the entire athletic dept.
Look forward to your reply's!
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Post by ajreaper on Feb 27, 2007 9:57:55 GMT -6
It amazes me that in this day and age you have people in leadership positions- coaches and AD's who are completely clueless about strength, speed and agility training. We have no official policy- but the football program is the only one that trains year around and places a great deal of importance on it. It's basically left up to each programs HC to decide (personally I think HC should run "programs" not just coach a season, which means a year around training program- that should be the mandate from the admin).
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Post by CVBears on Feb 27, 2007 22:21:33 GMT -6
I don't coach any other sports, so all I can speak for is football.
If football is lifting year round, why wouldn't they lift during the season? That is three months of not lifting. At least get in there a couple times a week to maintain what they've been working on so hard. But, this is football, where there is an emphasis on getting bigger, faster and stronger. I don't know if the same is true for the badminton team.
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Post by saintrad on Feb 28, 2007 0:15:32 GMT -6
JD -
all you can really do is demonstrate through the hard work of your team (and their successes) as to the value of the weight program. You need to build value (basically sell it) and show how it can benefit the athletic department AND the school.
PS..how did the Parker interview go?
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Post by coachjd on Feb 28, 2007 5:38:19 GMT -6
Parker Interview? I was just named head coach at the school that I have been OC at for the past 6 years.
We cannot make a athlete lift when they are in-season of another sport without the support of the head coach of that sport. We are a small school (140) kids per class. Our school survives on 2-3 sport athletes. We as a coaching staff are united other than 2 coaches who talk a good game about lifting, but never follow through with it. The big problem is they are both very successful (basketball has a former NBA player that everyone in town remembers and baseball has been to more state tourniments than any other sport) We have brought in our two former NFL players to talk to our team about the importantance of lifting as a total athlete, etc... but we don't get much support from a couple of coaches.
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Post by tog on Feb 28, 2007 6:37:46 GMT -6
what sports?
find the things that those sports need to be good
then find examples of people excelling in those sports that lift (everyone)
make a video of it and show em
sounds to me like they are scared more than anything of changing--they have done ok without it, and they don't want to learn new things
force feed it to em
hit em with it all the time
get the kids to buy in
one great kid that works hard in the wtroom and then dominates all the sports at a school can set an example and lead the way
baseball and basketball?
roger clemens
karl malone
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Post by wildcat on Feb 28, 2007 7:26:26 GMT -6
That is really a tough spot when other coaches won't support you and the administration will not mediate. Not really sure what can be done in a situation like that. We are very fortunate in that all of the boy's varsity coaches have always been very supportive of the weightroom. When you get a baseball or basketball coach who has had some success and just digs his heels in about the weights...well, that is going to be hard to overcome.
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Post by khalfie on Feb 28, 2007 8:26:44 GMT -6
Am I misunderstanding the situation?
It sounds to me, that coaches are upset, that kids participating in other sports, aren't lifting weights?
Personally, if a kid is involved in another sport, that's enough for me... those not involved, of course need to be in the weight room... but those involved, have a lot on their plate... and the participation is more than enough for me.
I would like for all coaches to have a weight program within their routines... and it seems the coaches at my school have one now... but I'd rather they do what they deem necessary to be succesful, engender a culture of success, and send me a group of kids, ready to keep the ball rolling.
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Post by tog on Feb 28, 2007 9:10:06 GMT -6
i would rather build athletes year round no matter what the sport
in texas, stuff like this gets basketball and baseball coaches fired real quick
there are still some out there in crappy towns that don't have the HFC as the AD, but we are slowly and surely getting rid of these morons
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Post by gamedog on Feb 28, 2007 9:18:19 GMT -6
I still remember them showing Michael Jordan working out with over 300 on the bench, 225 on the lat pulls and doing squats with over 300 lbs on THE DAY OF A NBA FINALS GAME.
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Post by coachjd on Feb 28, 2007 9:19:03 GMT -6
We want our kids in other sports, but when football season comes around it is very evident who was out for basketball and baseball. Our other kids who were out for wrestling or track are heads and tails better than they were the year before. We are not asking much, 2 days per week. Make time for the kids or support them to get to our morning workouts. Neither of those happen.
The frustrating thing is our 2 main opponents in our league have good basketball and baseball and their coaches have in-season lifting, so now we are already behind the 8 ball.
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Post by tog on Feb 28, 2007 9:19:52 GMT -6
I still remember them showing Michael Jordan working out with over 300 on the bench, 225 on the lat pulls and doing squats with over 300 lbs on THE DAY OF A NBA FINALS GAME. that is a video I would KILL to have bbweenie coach--"we cant' lift today, we have a game tomorrow and it might mess up their shot" me--"shut up and watch this" |
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Post by gamedog on Feb 28, 2007 9:26:49 GMT -6
I still remember them showing Michael Jordan working out with over 300 on the bench, 225 on the lat pulls and doing squats with over 300 lbs on THE DAY OF A NBA FINALS GAME. that is a video I would KILL to have bbweenie coach--"we cant' lift today, we have a game tomorrow and it might mess up their shot" me--"shut up and watch this" Our AD had a copy of it. That video convinced our BB coach to start lifting........coincidentally our BB team went from being a playoff participant to being a regional power. |
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Post by tog on Feb 28, 2007 9:28:29 GMT -6
that is a video I would KILL to have bbweenie coach--"we cant' lift today, we have a game tomorrow and it might mess up their shot" me--"shut up and watch this" Our AD had a copy of it. That video convinced our BB coach to start lifting........coincidentally our BB team went from being a playoff participant to being a regional power. you need to find it and start selling it! that's a gold mine sounds like just the thing JD here and just about every other real coach out there needs to show their ignorant coaching brethren out there |
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Post by gamedog on Feb 28, 2007 9:31:27 GMT -6
I bet it could be found at whichever network carried The Finals that year. It was the second championship they won, I think.
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Post by tog on Feb 28, 2007 9:33:02 GMT -6
I bet it could be found at whichever network carried The Finals that year. It was the second championship they won, I think. what team? lol  |
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Post by gamedog on Feb 28, 2007 9:35:47 GMT -6
He played for the Birmingham team in AA I think.  |
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Post by playfast on Feb 28, 2007 9:41:47 GMT -6
Fianlly all boys varsity coaches have their teams lift. We are a small school so it is a great accomplishment that all the coaches are on the same page concerning lifting since many of our athletes play more than one sport.
Administration really does not get involved with sports or lifting unless a certain player is not playing. I wish the administrators would be more invovled.
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Post by tog on Feb 28, 2007 9:43:09 GMT -6
Fianlly all boys varsity coaches have their teams lift. We are a small school so it is a great accomplishment that all the coaches are on the same page concerning lifting since many of our athletes play more than one sport. Administration really does not get involved with sports or lifting unless a certain player is not playing. I wish the administrators would be more invovled. lol I want the administration out of it as much as possible. |
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Post by playfast on Feb 28, 2007 9:45:47 GMT -6
Yeah but when it gets to funding and overall support (materials, equipment, video) it would be great. But your right the less they are involved in practice and game decisions the better.
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Post by tog on Feb 28, 2007 11:25:07 GMT -6
everyone lifts
it is the best thing for the whole athletic program
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Post by Coach Huey on Feb 28, 2007 11:45:05 GMT -6
I bet it could be found at whichever network carried The Finals that year. It was the second championship they won, I think. was called Space Jam, wasn't it? ;D |
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Post by ajreaper on Feb 28, 2007 12:28:32 GMT -6
If kids do not lift while playing another sport they will lose a huge chunk of the time they have to better themselves. You miss 3 months of a season then spend 6-8 weeks+ trying to get back where you were before so you are really losing 5-6 months of training time and that's just for a 2 sport kid. The 3 sport kid is seriously in trouble. A trained individual will not be overly sore nor will they not be completely recovered 5-6+ hours later for their game. To think otherwise is silly.
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Post by coachpoe on Feb 28, 2007 20:56:18 GMT -6
Basketball and Baseball won't lift here. It is like trying to bang your head up against the wall getting these guys to get their kids in the weight room. Then when we try to get them in in the mornings they get upset and accuse us of going behind their backs. Once again small school (about 270 boys) so we have a lot of multiple sport guys. I am not asking for much just 2 days a week would be fine. Guys who participate in track or wrestling are in the weight room all the time, and their coaches (Track coach is DC so that helps) are fine with it. Administration won't back the staff even though our AD was our head football coach for 15 years (retired 3 years ago).
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Post by tog on Feb 28, 2007 22:21:39 GMT -6
Basketball and Baseball won't lift here. It is like trying to bang your head up against the wall getting these guys to get their kids in the weight room. Then when we try to get them in in the mornings they get upset and accuse us of going behind their backs. Once again small school (about 270 boys) so we have a lot of multiple sport guys. I am not asking for much just 2 days a week would be fine. Guys who participate in track or wrestling are in the weight room all the time, and their coaches (Track coach is DC so that helps) are fine with it. Administration won't back the staff even though our AD was our head football coach for 15 years (retired 3 years ago). sounds like a place with some ignorant coaches |
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Feb 28, 2007 23:55:14 GMT -6
Our football players lift during the season, our basketball players lift during the season, our track athletes lift during the season. Our BB coach wasn't big on the idea at first (4 years ago when he was new here). I remember before a big BB game (if there is such a thing) in his first year he said "the guys didn't do squats today, did they". I said "Of course not. It's Tuesday. We did cleans". A few games later when our stud sophomore scored 35 in a BB game, I then broke it to the BB coach that he tested for his 400 squat on that day. My biggest problem is that the BB coaches (boys and girls) want all their players in weights classes now (I'm all for the girls lifting, just not with the FB guys... who tend to lose a little focus when some of the girls are in there). I am the AD, and the weights and conditioning teacher. The expectation is they lift (or sprint, do agilities or plyos) when I say it is time to do them. They do not have to be in weights... but like I said, most of our coaches push it (except the VB coach... and I'm sorry, but I don't really want them in there anyway).
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Post by coachjd on Mar 1, 2007 6:42:50 GMT -6
HOLY COW, check out this article in todays Fargo Forum. I think I will be posting this in our wgt room and slipping a copy into our basketball coaches po box. www.in-forum.com/Sports/articles/158093 |
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Post by champ93 on Mar 1, 2007 21:00:04 GMT -6
My school must be bass-ackwards. The b-ball and baseball coach (new guys) push their kids to lift in and out of season. My track and wrestling coach do not. The track coach is the 2x defending cross country state champ so he is the pied piper of distance guys and flat out refuses to allow his kids to lift with their legs. I tried to push him for to do cleans but he said those are only good for that short initial burst of speed. I guess getting out of the blocks first is bad in track.
I don't get the wrestling guy--they do not lift at all. Once in a while he'll have an assistant bring them in to do curls---that's it and about 5 sets of 10. I don't allow curls in our FB workout time. I have a hard time encouraging kids to wrestle since they do nothing to make these kids better athletes. They finished the year with 15 kids and only 2 had winning records.
My AD encourages but does not require strength programs in our sports. He brags to everyone how we (the FB program) have only had 2 football players with season ending injuries since I took over 4 years ago and brought in an actual program, but doesn't force the other coaches to develop one of there own or join ours. Venting....
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Post by ajreaper on Mar 3, 2007 8:27:30 GMT -6
LOL, if I was a wrestling coach who finished the season with 15 kids and 2 had winning records I dang sure would not be needing to reevaluate my program and look for something to take us to the next level (or just make us competitive) |
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