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Post by coachcalande on Mar 21, 2007 15:26:54 GMT -6
This question is for high school coaches mainly but shoot, anyone who wants in, go ahead and chime in.
question - how many of you high school varsity guys are using a college playbook (OFFENSE, DEFENSE) that you picked up somewhere? If you are, how much of it have you been able to use? Thanks- Steve
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Post by bluecrazy on Mar 21, 2007 15:43:57 GMT -6
University of Houston, Bill Yeoman 1975 Veer-T. Will use most of it, only we call the plays by different name to fit our scheme. Love the veer, even though I'm still learning it. Ran the veer for the 1st time last year, got the book this year and it will help us to be better at what we do. bluecrazy
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Post by coachjd on Mar 21, 2007 15:47:36 GMT -6
I use college playbooks as a reference tool.
Whats your point?
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Post by tog on Mar 21, 2007 15:49:35 GMT -6
This question is for high school coaches mainly but shoot, anyone who wants in, go ahead and chime in. question - how many of you high school varsity guys are using a college playbook (OFFENSE, DEFENSE) that you picked up somewhere? If you are, how much of it have you been able to use? Thanks- Steve I use hundreds of em. I get them, read them, then take notes about things in them that intrigue me, then figure out how to execute them in our system. Then these plays go through the old "do I need this in the playbook?" or "if I put this in, what comes out, and does it do the job better with the talent on hand" questions. So, in short answer to your question. I don't just use some playbook wholesale that I found somewhere or bought. Why do that? I would rather KNOW the offense by learning it, and melding it into the very flexible and easy to carryover system that we have created. edit---oh, and not just college and pro either, HS playbooks are my favorite, you see a lot more diversity there, to spark ideas |
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Post by cjamerson on Mar 21, 2007 15:51:01 GMT -6
We use the Wing T system that is featured by Dennis Creehan. We do not run everything he offers. We run the base play of a series, it's compliment, it's misdirection, and a pass off of the base play. We like to keep it simple. We run the down, sweep, and belly series with 4-5 plays from each series.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Mar 21, 2007 15:59:25 GMT -6
University of Houston, Bill Yeoman 1975 Veer-T.
Man... I LOVED that offense. One of my first memories of really watching a college football game was in the late 70s- Houston vs. New Mexico State. I was about 9 years old... Houston won something like 94-17. I never knew who had the ball...I didn't know what it was, but sure thought it was cool.
As far as the question- I have begged , borrowed and stolen a lot- but my stuff is pretty much my compilation. I got some things from Air Force, Oklahoma early 70s, some from mid 90s South Dakota U., some old Hawaii run-n-shoot (which was really spread option). Most of "my" stuff comes from other High Schools or I think my own invention... until I discover someone did it in 1924.
I really try to not be confined to an era or a style when it comes to learning football. My grandfather (loved football) passed away a few years ago. My uncle's old FB coach passed away last year... both of them gave me about 20 old football books each. Dutch Meyer, Biggie Munn, old HS coaching books... great stuff for FB history... and some stuff we have used a bit.
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Post by cjkal30 on Mar 21, 2007 16:06:24 GMT -6
I am currently designing a playbook and have looked at various playbooks from both the college and high school level. I take things I like from from them and then fit them into my system.
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Post by coachsky on Mar 21, 2007 17:28:19 GMT -6
Ditto to what everyone else said.
We also add or adjust based on film study.
We have been spending the last few weeks watching film and tagging plays that were succesful against some of our key league opponents. We are evaluating those plays to determine why they where successful to see if we can add or adjust our playbook.
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Post by jhanawa on Mar 21, 2007 17:47:15 GMT -6
I think where coaches get there stuff is a good question and an interesting discussion. I think a majority, myself included, meld various playbooks together into our own terminology and form our own system based on others. For me, a convoluted past  , I had 4 OC's in college (2 at each college), all of which were completely different from each other, in HS we ran "Nebraska style Power/Option", then in college it was 1. Pro Multiple "I", 2. Flexbone/WB option, 3. two back WCO and 4. spread one back zone. Over time its evolved into its own beast, mingling tidbids from each system into an Option based Air Raid attack. |
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Post by pal on Mar 21, 2007 19:05:56 GMT -6
I use alot of schemes from the Purdue playbook, i think it was the 99 or 2000 year. The passing schemes are great
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Post by brophy on Mar 21, 2007 20:50:07 GMT -6
90% of MY playbook is based off of "Damn, I hated to see THIS from our opponent!"
Some of those ideas came from DIII - DI programs and NFL teams........where they had time to perfect and think up the stuff.
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Post by CVBears on Mar 21, 2007 21:00:16 GMT -6
Mine is half college stuff and half random stuff from clinics that fits the scheme. Obviously I can't use all the protections and different alerts and blocking combinations. But I do fit in about 40% of what is in a typical college playbook that I've seen.
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Post by tedseay on Mar 22, 2007 4:12:35 GMT -6
Dutch Meyer, Biggie Munn, old HS coaching books... great stuff for FB history... and some stuff we have used a bit. Bluto: The "modern" 5-wide spread is the TCU Spread created by Dutch Meyer when he coached the Frogs from the mid-30's to the mid-50's. Period. |
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Post by lochness on Mar 22, 2007 4:51:28 GMT -6
Our playbook is something that has been evolving since the late 1980's. It was entirely hand-written at that time. The former OC / OL coach who originally authored it is no longer with us, so I am not certain what ideas led to its inception. He coached in that system for almost 20 years.
I have never installed a "canned" offense. We have tweaked based on things we have seen and learned about that made sense to put into our system, but we've never just said, "HEY LET'S RUN WHAT FLORIDA RUNS!" and put it in.
I agree with what tog said earlier...High School playbooks are the most interesting because they have more in them than just zone and iso and a bunch of pass plays with sight adjustments and checks.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Mar 22, 2007 7:09:21 GMT -6
Ted,
Well... we are not really "5 wide", but it is an interesting read. We actually run some of the QB sweeps in our 2 min. package.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2007 7:09:29 GMT -6
The defensive playbook I put together is comprised of stuff from Iowa State, Cal, Colorado State, Kansas State, Wisconsin.
Translated into terminology that I've used for years.
Like others, find something I like and go to work on finding a way that it works into our rules and our philosophy.
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Post by bluecrazy on Mar 22, 2007 7:13:54 GMT -6
Don't we all steal something from someone else if we think it will fit in with what we do? I agree, I like looking at what High School teams run. It is more for the High School athlete. We can't all run exactly what colleges run with the choice athletes. But find what we like and adapt. bluecrazy
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Post by realdawg on Mar 22, 2007 8:48:37 GMT -6
Gosh our playbook is a mixture of so many things that we have picked up from Clemson, West Virginia, Gardner-Webb, Appalachian, etc... as well as things we picked up from other high schools
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Post by kc361 on Mar 22, 2007 9:51:41 GMT -6
Georgia Southern (Stowers/Johnson) is what we use for our basic run game and play action. We also have (but don't always install) Run-n-shoot 1/2 roll (Davis), 3-step boot (DeMeo), Mis-direction Wing-T type runs (Raymond).
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Post by wingt74 on Mar 22, 2007 9:53:17 GMT -6
I honestly don't have a "playbook". My playbook at any given point is based on the personel I have. that playbook is built from research of film and other playbooks.
I think a more valid question is: How do you teach kids to run, block, and tackle?
Because that doesn't change to much year after year.
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Post by Coach Huey on Mar 22, 2007 9:58:36 GMT -6
With exception of 1 year, I have been running some form of this offense since 1996 (remember that year, tog? lol). In fact, I have used this exact same system since 1999. Using playbooks, ideas, tips, schemes, etc. from other coaches is quite common. Not so much that we are going to "switch" to their offense but take a look at how they teach certain things. I prefer to look and study their coaching points, install patterns, drills they use, etc. rather than their plays exactly. I'm not trying to re-invent the wheel, but at the same time I'm foolish if I think "my" way is the best way there is. So, I continue to look at other people's methods. I pick up some things I might be able to adjust ... like a better drill to help emphasize a point regarding a scheme we have. Or, adjusting 1 route within the pattern to better suit the overall concept of the play. There are times when I decide (after much studying and asking questions) to take a play from someone that is similar to something we have but I truly believe that 'version' is better so we install it rather than our 'old' one. This is how offenses and defenses evolve and improve over time. At the same time, making a change just to change can be counter-productive (it usually is, imo). So, much of my "stealing" is based on a need our offense has.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Mar 22, 2007 10:34:26 GMT -6
We changed our FB trap play a few years ago based on what another team did (they hurt us with the play pretty bad). The play is the same- the fake carried out at the end is different. In this case it really made the trap a lot better.
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, I had 4 OC's in college (2 at each college), all of which were completely different from each other, in HS we ran "Nebraska style Power/Option", then in college it was 1. Pro Multiple "I", 2. Flexbone/WB option, 3. two back WCO and 4. spread one back zone. 
